GDT: Golden Knights @ Sens - Monthy Python edition - 7:00pm (11:00pm London, UK time) - TSN 5

[NB613]

If we are built to outscore teams then we should probably start doing that

Arent we like top 5 in goals for per game in the entire league? TSN mentioned some stat along this line of thinking during the broadcast.

Regardless of me butchering the stat reference… Scoring aint the problem…

 

[Big Muddy]

We are pot committed on Chabot. He’s going to have to figure it out on his own. It’s a mental issue that he needs to overcome.


Sanderson and Brannstrom both had 1:30 more PP time than Chabot last night. I really enjoyed seeing Sandy and Branny on the PP together. I hope this wasn’t just a one off.

With respect to Brannstrom, I agree. Not a bad idea to give him some decent PP minutes given circumstances. He's good at carrying the puck from our zone to the O-zone.

Ultimately, our top three defenders will need to be amongst our best players on a consistent basis to be successful. Otherwise, I doubt if we will have a good season.

 

[Dionysus]

Was in a good mood watching that game, and man were the sens ever pushing! Fun to watch. The giveaways leading to goals were tough, but the response was great. They didn't look panicked and shaky like the last two games when it got into crunch time.

 

[GCK]

If we are built to outscore teams then we should probably start doing that

I don’t disagree.

 

[HSF]

Sens should watch how Vegas locked it down with 5 mins left. Some of the worst killers for us is the late goals by other teams. We bled valuable points that way.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

He certainly has developed some bad habits. Tall task to coach out of him but last night was a missed opportunity.

I am most concerned about a player wearing a letter yelling at teammates when he is individually struggling. Projecting when he should be doing the opposite. Not the type of leadership a young team needs. Now if behind closed doors he is owning it and telling his teammates that's OK. We don't see it so we don't know I was just taken back by his body language last night.

Has he been yelling at the guys?

Apparently Garrioch said in intermission that a scratch was coming and it would surprise people as to who was getting scratched.

 

[GCK]

Sens should watch how Vegas locked it down with 5 mins left. Some of the worst killers for us is the late goals by other teams. We bled valuable points that way.

Agree. Situational awareness is low with our players.

 

[Micklebot]

I get it.

But the problem is that we've lost those games because of mental mistakes and miscues and general sloppy play. Like you said, off nights.

They are going to happen, but if we are stringing 4, 5, 6 or so of them together every year when the season starts we are going to be behind the 8 ball forever.

We're a young team but at a certain point that's not an excuse. Buffalo is younger than us and they've won 7 of their first 10.

We've lost all the games we lost by one goal (plus empty nets). We could just as easily have a winning record right now too, heck, we outplayed Buffalo the game they beat us but Anderson robbed us. That alone would bring us within a win of being tied with them right now.

With small samples, the record can be misleading. We've played better than our record suggests, the underlying numbers suggest we'll start seeing some of those close games flip going forward.

10th in 5v5 GF%
11th in 5v5 CF%
14th in 5v5 SF%
6th in 5v5 SCF%
8th in 5v5 HDCF%
12th in 5v5 xGF%

Compare that to last year and we were 22nd, 21st, 23rd, 24th, 23rd and 25th respectively.

Buffalo for perspective is currently 6th, 10th, 13th, 12th, 19th, and 18th in those same metrics, and argument can be made were playing better hockey than them.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Also don’t agree with the line juggling after the line juggling.

Stutzle and tkatchuk did connect but.

Also pinto not ready for the top 6. Pinto on the third line is a muuuuuch different player than pinto in the top 6

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

delete wrong thread

 

[burf]

I really liked the Tkachuk-Stutzle-Giroux line last night. Thought it worked really well.

Problem is the second line. I could see Batherson and Debrincat working well and having chemistry, maybe with Brassard between them. I think the previous Brassard 2C experiment didn't work out because there wasn't anyone on the line that was heavy on the forecheck or able to push the pace. Batherson could fill that role, on top of being one of the team's top playmakers. Brassard's lost a step, but he's still got good offensive instincts and a nice shot.

e: I think Pinto should stay on the 3rd line. He's the straw that stirs the drink for Motte/Joseph, and was the main reason that line was dangerous. With Norris out long-term, I'd rather see the team roll 3 decent scoring lines rather than load up the top 6.

 

[Blotto71]

We've lost all the games we lost by one goal (plus empty nets). We could just as easily have a winning record right now too, heck, we outplayed Buffalo the game they beat us but Anderson robbed us. That alone would bring us within a win of being tied with them right now.

With small samples, the record can be misleading. We've played better than our record suggests, the underlying numbers suggest we'll start seeing some of those close games flip going forward.

10th in 5v5 GF%
11th in 5v5 CF%
14th in 5v5 SF%
6th in 5v5 SCF%
8th in 5v5 HDCF%
12th in 5v5 xGF%

Compare that to last year and we were 22nd, 21st, 23rd, 24th, 23rd and 25th respectively.

Buffalo for perspective is currently 6th, 10th, 13th, 12th, 19th, and 18th in those same metrics, and argument can be made were playing better hockey than them.

Great perspective @Micklebot. And to add to that, I think we all expected Talbot and Forsberg to at worst split the load - no slight on Forsberg's play, but having Talbot back is a big deal.

 

[HSF]

Would have been nice

Yet posters keep saying there are no defensemen avaliable for Dorion to get!

NJD added Graves, Hamilton and Marino and rebuilt that defense

 

[Dionysus]

Would have been nice

Yet posters keep saying there are no defensemen avaliable for Dorion to get!

NJD added Graves, Hamilton and Marino and rebuilt that defense

Marino, or any NHL caliber RD, would look pretty good right now!

 

[Hale The Villain]

Would have been nice

Yet posters keep saying there are no defensemen avaliable for Dorion to get!

NJD added Graves, Hamilton and Marino and rebuilt that defense

Yeah he was the big miss. Should have offered far more than what NJ offered to get him. Overpaid if necessary.

NJ didn't even need him badly with Hamilton and Severson at RD, but they recognized when a top 4 RD becomes available you jump at the opportunity to add one.

 

[Blotto71]

Has he been yelling at the guys?

Apparently Garrioch said in intermission that a scratch was coming and it would surprise people as to who was getting scratched.

If the name of the scratched player does not rhyme with "bitesev", I will be upset.

 

[Micklebot]

Apparently Garrioch said in intermission that a scratch was coming and it would surprise people as to who was getting scratched.

Yeah I heard that too. Zaitsev didn't have a terrible game, not sure who else they'd scratch though. Holden I guess? If it's Brannstrom or Sanderson people are going to flip TF out.

 

[Mingus Dew]

We've lost all the games we lost by one goal (plus empty nets). We could just as easily have a winning record right now too, heck, we outplayed Buffalo the game they beat us but Anderson robbed us. That alone would bring us within a win of being tied with them right now.

With small samples, the record can be misleading. We've played better than our record suggests, the underlying numbers suggest we'll start seeing some of those close games flip going forward.

10th in 5v5 GF%
11th in 5v5 CF%
14th in 5v5 SF%
6th in 5v5 SCF%
8th in 5v5 HDCF%
12th in 5v5 xGF%

Compare that to last year and we were 22nd, 21st, 23rd, 24th, 23rd and 25th respectively.

Buffalo for perspective is currently 6th, 10th, 13th, 12th, 19th, and 18th in those same metrics, and argument can be made were playing better hockey than them.

Yeah this makes sense. I think our losses have really been the result of individual errors and momentary breakdowns rather than consistent poor play. I am hesitant to call that "bad luck" though.

If the underlying numbers hold then we should see positive regress over the next ten games. Here's hoping.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Yeah I heard that too. Zaitsev didn't have a terrible game, not sure who else they'd scratch though. Holden I guess? If it's Brannstrom or Sanderson people are going to flip TF out.

If it was Sanderson I think it'd be harsh but a little understandable. He's looked great, but made a few key mistakes yesterday.

If it's Brannstrom, that sends a clear signal the team isn't letting performance affect its decisions. Brannstrom looked good last night and has since the start of the season.

 

[SweSensFan]

Individual mistakes not system issues lost us the game.

- Edit: missed the first goal, they came in with speed and caused some havoc but Chabot literally tee'd it u for Stone in the slot, not sure where Chabot was trying to go with the puck there.
-Sanderson got walked on the second goal
-Sanderson turned over the puck at our Blueline and got bullied on the third goal
-Stützle made a brutal turnover on the PP resulting in a two on one that Chabot misplayed on the fourth goal
-Debrincat fanned on a pass in front of our net turning it over with nobody back for the fifth goal

4 of the goals against had very little or nothing to do with us having a porous defence or bad system; coaching isn't likely to change what happened that game.

We actually played pretty well, Forberg had an off night likely due to fatigue, and we made some sloppy individual plays. Clean up the individual stuff and get Talbot in nets to shoulder some of the load going forward and we'll winn a lot of games playing the way we did last night.

That is a very clear and consise summary. I watched the game and that is very much what I saw too. Most often if I read someone elses summary It's somewhere between, nah I don't agree with all your takes to dude, did we watch the same game!

 

[Hale The Villain]

Hamonic should be scratched before Sanderson. Was just as responsible for that 2nd goal against by having Smith blow right by him after a stupid pokechecking attempt on Karlsson.

At least Sanderson can move the puck and contribute offensively when he has an off-game defensively. Can't say the same for Hamonic or Zaitsev.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Yeah I heard that too. Zaitsev didn't have a terrible game, not sure who else they'd scratch though. Holden I guess? If it's Brannstrom or Sanderson people are going to flip TF out.

DJ today said that people are playing with bumps and bruises. So one may come out. Remember he said that when he scratched Zaitsev for the first time. Maybe Chabot imagine

 

[Micklebot]

Hamonic should be scratched before Sanderson. Was just as responsible for that 2nd goal against by having Smith blow right by him after a stupid pokechecking attempt on Karlsson.

At least Sanderson can move the puck and contribute offensively when he has an off-game defensively. Can't say the same for Hamonic or Zaitsev.

Scratching Sanderson gives him time to reflect and improve, Hamonic is what he is at this point, there's no teachable moment in scratching him. but overall I agree that Sanderson doesn't deserve to be scratched, I just think him or Brannstrom are likely who Garrioch could have been referencing because frankly, Hamonic has pretty much been fine in his role, Zaitsev is too obvious a choice, Chabot is way too unlikely and Holden has already sat out games making him a bit like Zaitsev, an obvious choice.

It would be rather strange to scratch Hamonic imo, we seem very tied to keeping him with Sanderson for mentoring purposes to the point that we've refused to try Hamonic with Chabot when Zub went down.

 

[Micklebot]

DJ today said that people are playing with bumps and bruises. So one may come out. Remember he said that when he scratched Zaitsev for the first time. Maybe Chabot imagine

I mean, if he's playing hurt that could explain some of the crap we've seen him do... hasn't he had a couple maintenance days since training camp? Or am i mixing him up with somebody else?

 

[aragorn]

- They led the game last night for most of the game & outshot them, but the terrible mistakes/miscues by good players is what lost them the game again.
- Brannstrom was benched during the 2nd period, if Zaitsev is not scratched than I would expect it's Brannstrom for the next game or it could be Chabot. If they have called up JBD who is a RD I expect someone on the right side to sit but it could be one of Brannstrom or Chabot.
- not sure JBD a rookie will be able to stop this tire fire on defence, but it has to be better than a Chabot - Brannstrom pairing, they were brutal last night.
- Hamonic & Sanderson are not ideal, but they are decent together. Brannstrom & Holden are good together but both are 3rd pairing D & neither should be moved up. Chabot & Zub are also good together, but with Zub out he should be the one replaced by JBD. They just have to stop making these glaring giveaways & manage the puck a thousand times better than they are. These aren't coaching mistakes these are young player mistakes that have to be corrected.