WC: GOLD: Finland vs Canada

[Leafsdude7]

The call in O.T. was a dive.

Finland challenged the goal but was not penalized.

The OT call is a consistent call in any situation. I don't like the dive, but that is rarely if ever called, and I think rightly so for the most part. I have an issue with the glove in Chabot's knee right afterwards that caused him to trip. That should have evened up the call.

The review on the 3-2 goal was refs discression, not a challenge. Still, the fact that the refs so poorly communicated that should be as much of a problem for the IIHF as the bogus high stick was. These refs were completely unprofessional, and should never have been allowed to ref this game.

 

[Nosferatu]

We have to admit it now. Finland is the number one country in hockey at the moment. Canada comes as a close second.

 

[ORRFForever]

Someone yanking a stick around in your groin must be uncomfortable.

Again, if you can't concede the point, then there is no point in discussing.

 

[matsqq]

Congratulations Finland ! Well executed ...
It could have went either way but FInland is on a roll now it seems ... Unstoppable this "Mörkö"/"Jalonen" - combo

 

[GigaChad]

I always thought Sweden fans were the most obnoxious, but holy shit this thread is hard to read...
Canadians, chill out.
You got the 3-2 goal because your guy crosschecked Heiskanen face first to the post lmao.

 

[Barkkonen]

This.

The Canadian players battled hard to tie that up and overcome crazy adversity to do so. Including having to play a 3rd string goalie.

Congrats again to the Finnish fans, well deserved win on home soil.

Felt so bad when Driedger got hurt, that dude was 1 calm mf on net, Finns started to shoot much more after the goalie change. Game changing injury.

 

[Raimo Sillanpää]

Sure. But if all the correct calls were made, that incident never happens, because the game is much different without that 5-on-3.

That's why it's important to get every call correct. Or, at the very least, every significant call correct. Any miscall as blatant as that high stick effects not just that moment but every moment after.

We have the technology to do it. And those saying the delays would be worse probably didn't even realize the delay from all the controversy itself took more time than simply reviewing they play would have.

Get the calls right. It shouldn't be that much to ask.

We shouldn’t just stop at correcting the calls, but also penalizing the non whistled penalties that should have been.

We have the technology to do it, a true non-biased AI to call every misdemeanour from both sides and whistling 27 penalties or whatever it is per side per game until players learn to play by the rules.
Because very often, it’s the non-called stuff that is just as bad if not worse than a bad call from a referee.

 

[RorschachWJK]

I always thought Sweden fans were the most obnoxious, but holy shit this thread is hard to read...
Canadians, chill out.
You got the 3-2 goal because your guy crosschecked Heiskanen face first to the post lmao.

This. Those whining bitches somehow were not seeing that and do not bring it up. Same with everything else that their team got away with.

 

[FinPanda]

They are struggling to open the big champagne bottle

 

[Leafsdude7]

I always thought Sweden fans were the most obnoxious, but holy shit this thread is hard to read...
Canadians, chill out.
You got the 3-2 goal because your guy crosschecked Heiskanen face first to the post lmao.

Well, that's an absurd take...

Didn't know that (supposedly) crosschecking a guy into the post makes the puck cross the goal line.

 

[Barkkonen]

Finland needed a few dives and the refs to hand them this win...at home no less!
Canada showing some major stones coming back despite everything against them

Unreal character!

I was certain you guys would win after you tied the game, 4v3 pp just too big disadvantage with cold goalie.

 

[ORRFForever]

Well, that's an absurd take...

Didn't know that (supposedly) crosschecking a guy into the post makes the puck cross the goal line.

Agree.

Anyway, I wasted too much of my life on this. Time to walk away.

 

[Leafsdude7]

We shouldn’t just stop at correcting the calls, but also penalizing the non whistled penalties that should have been.

We have the technology to do it, a true non-biased AI to call every misdemeanour from both sides and whistling 27 penalties or whatever it is per side per game until players learn to play by the rules.
Because very often, it’s the non-called stuff that is just as bad if not worse than a bad call from a referee.

I'm not sure if this is an attempt at an argument from absurdity, but I actually don't disagree.

 

[Jugitsu]

Win or Lose- I do not lose any sleep over Canada not winning the WHC. It is a tournament European fans care about, while in North America we are too busy watching the Stanley Cup Finals. We always send our C Team, while Europeans send their A or B teams, since they care more about the tournament. Today's Gold Medal Game was the first Game I have watched Team Canada play.

That being said if the roles were reversed, and Canada had won the Gold Medal on home ice today, with a terrible high sticking call, that cost us two goals along with a OT Dive by a Finnish Player leading to the Gold Medal Winner on a PP- I would be the first to say Canada should not be pumping their chest out and saying "We are the Best". All the other countries and their fans would be screaming that Canada probably paid off the officials, if the roles were reversed.

Yet Finland fans on Social Media have no problem pumping their chest, and calling Canadian fans sore losers, since they beat Canada's C Team with their A team, with the most corrupt officiating I have ever seen in a Gold Medal Final.

Maybe the European officials had money on Finland winning on home ice, or maybe they are tired of Canada winning this European tournament again with our C Team. Even the OT Penalty against Canada, was more of a Soccer Dive by the Finnish player. I have never complained about the Refs, but the missed calls against Finland and the penalties that Finland were rewarded, makes me think that this Game was already decided yesterday.

The IIHF officials probably wanted the European home team to win in their home country, and the celebrations that will take place afterwards. The officials wanted the story book ending for Finland. I feel sick for Sillinger, since there was no high stick by him against the Finnish player. Even the OT call to me was a Dive by the Finnish player. Today's game is the reason why Canada should never host this Minor League Tournament, with its minor league officiating.

This is a classic example of coping mechanisms kicking in. You’re not losing any sleep but continue to write a wall of text about how Finland’s A team beat Canadian C team in a meaningless tournament. A serious question: what is an A team? A team that would represent a country in a best on best tournament? Or simply a team with best players available?

Reffs weren’t at the level of the game tonight. No question about that. But you’re being dishonest if you can’t recognize that Canadians also benefited from no calls, especially in the third. Heck, Graves alone could’ve been called several times for holding and hooking. Heiskanen got crosschecked and sent face first into his own goal moments before Canada scored. It was tightly contested game between the two best teams of the tournament. I have no problem with either team winning a game like this.

 

[TheFinnishTrap]

Again, if you can't concede the point, then there is no point in discussing.

The call on Chabot was absolutely deserved, go watch it again if you disagree. He wraps his stick around Björninen and gets it stuck between his legs and then yanks it around. As for Finland not being penalized on the 3-2 goal, I can’t tell what happened, someone said Finland didn’t even challenge it? Besides, Canada tied it up anyways, if they tied it up on the powerplay, they don’t play 6v5 anymore.

 

[GigaChad]

Well, that's an absurd take...

Didn't know that (supposedly) crosschecking a guy into the post makes the puck cross the goal line.

If you didn't know, crosschecking someone from behind is a penalty.
And usually in hockey, taking a penalty pauses the game and you can't score.
If you need more hockey 101, please ask!

 

[jj cale]

Thank you @snipes and @jj cale . Always class even when things are a bit questionable.

See you next year, Wouldn't doubt it will be a replay in the GMG.

 

[RorschachWJK]

Well, that's an absurd take...

Didn't know that (supposedly) crosschecking a guy into the post makes the puck cross the goal line.

You aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, I see...obviously the point was that it should have been a penalty. It was not about puck crossing goal line.

And by adding the word 'supposedly' you enter the twilight realm there. Anybody can see that for what it was: a vicious crosscheck.

 

[Scrantonicity 2]

We have to admit it now. Finland is the number one country in hockey at the moment. Canada comes as a close second.

No they're really not.

 

[Svedu]

The call on Chabot was absolutely deserved, go watch it again if you disagree. He wraps his stick around Björninen and gets it stuck between his legs and then yanks it around. As for Finland not being penalized on the 3-2 goal, I can’t tell what happened, someone said Finland didn’t even challenge it? Besides, Canada tied it up anyways, if they tied it up on the powerplay, they don’t play 6v5 anymore.

This "QRFF" guy wont give up. He thinks the refs gave us the win when Finland were the better team and deserved the gold.
Let him live in his fairytale.

 

[Leafsdude7]

If you didn't know, crosschecking someone from behind is a penalty.
And usually in hockey, taking a penalty pauses the game and you can't score.
If you need more hockey 101, please ask!

So it didn't cause the goal, just should have resulted it in being disallowed?

If you need more Semantics 101, please ask!

 

[DaJackal]

Apparently the flu bug I thought I'd already won is coming back. Good thing that I'm working remotely so I can sneeze away in peace at home; no one would believe if I called in sick tomorrow.

 

[jj cale]

It was a penalty. But the replay clearly showed a delayed reaction of the Finnish player clearly diving after he felt the stick. Should have been 2 penalties called there. In International hockey, the reffing is not always just. I am not really for diving and embellishment. rather win 5v5 and let the best team win. But perhaps this is the way to play if you want to give yourself the best chance to win. Just hard to rationalize and condone your team that diving is a honourable way to win.

All teams do that though,Canada does it, it's a tactic unfortunately.

 

[Antiillafire]

Or let's put it this way, talent matters to some extent. Italy or even Slovakia is not going to win this tournament even if they play as well as a team as Canada or Finland, simply because their talent is lacking and limited to a couple of players.

Finland has developed enough talent over the last ten or so years that they can win these kind of tournaments even without their best NHL players present, provided that they play a good team game. Same as Canada in that respect, except Canada obviously still has more individual talent if you look at the stats of every player. But it's not a big enough difference to decide single games in a tournament.

What exactly are you saying here?

 

[Leafsdude7]

You aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, I see...obviously the point was that it should have been a penalty. It was not about puck crossing goal line.

And by adding the word 'supposedly' you enter the twilight realm there. Anybody can see that for what it was: a vicious crosscheck.

Here's the play:



"Crosscheck" is visible at 0:27-0:30. Is it a penalty? Ideally, yes, probably. By the standards of the game? No it likely isn't. Is it "vicious"? f*** no. That's just as absurd as suggesting it "caused" the goal.