Price is Wright
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It's time for Montreal to stop building around the net.
HF Habs: Goaltending Prospects/Young Players - Who to Keep Who to Trade
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le_sean
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He’s likely not currently available, but I could see the Caps trading him in the summer as they need to re-sign both him and Vanecek.
If Lehkonen doesn’t get traded now, I could see a Lehkonen/Samsonov deal as both are RFAs.
Lafleurs Guy
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We never did build around the net. If we had, we'd have won some cups.
Having a great goalie is a GOOD thing. But if you put Desharnais as your first line with it, you go nowhere.
Get the best players you can. That means best goalie, best blueliner, best forward...
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I have no idea how to approach a sentence like this when discussing the Montreal Canadiens so I'll just bow out.
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You have no idea what you're talking about. Lafleurs Guy is right. There has been absolutely nothing wrong with taking Price or making him the franchise player. He just wasn't supported nor was the team tailored around his unique skill-set, such as his play with the puck.
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We had Desharnais as our number one with Price in net. Do you think that’s an example of what “building around the net” means?
Well, WASH have been following the Habs lately and there were 2 scouts at the game yesterday, so these Samsonov rumors might have legs...
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figured might as well tie it in with the goalie prospect thread since Primeau is a big part of that and Dobes/Dichow might not be that far off.
You have to include Montembeault in any longterm goalie discussion, not saying he is a star in the making but a possible solid future #2
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Agree with you here. There's no building going on since the Roy era. They just get a good goalie and when trying to put a team in front of him, they just throw shit against a wall hoping it sticks. But I agree with others about building around the net in the sense that putting your eggs in one position is a recipe for failure. You need good F, good D and good G plus luck to win a championship.
Well when you pay your goalie and an ageing Dman 18+m, there is not as much cap to build around left as you d wish for.
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Get the best players you can. It doesn’t matter about the position. The best teams usually win cups along the way.
If your best player’s a goalie or a blueliner? Great. It doesn’t matter. What matters is having talent throughout the lineup and not hiring a moron to coach them.
The idea of one player being good enough to win a cup with a bad team just doesn’t happen. Look no further than McDavid for that.
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Price’s contract never prevented us from getting great teams. Incompetent management did. From 2014 onwards we didn’t lose a playoff game with Price in net when we scored three or more goals… He was worth the cash. But we built bad teams around him. After Markov left the D was a disgrace.
Im all for getting a star goalie. It’s the most important position in the game. A goalie can take you a long way on his own. But if you want a cup, you’ll need more than just one player.
Unbelievably bad management to not take advantage of Price before MB threw 10.5M at him in perpetuity. What did he think was going to happen? Having Desharnais as our pathetic 1C with Price in net, is akin to having Jason Missiaen in net for the Oilers with McDavid
It has to be known - you pay top dollar $ for 1C, 1D, 2C, 2D, 1G (in that order). unless you legit have the first 4 - your goalie is pointless.
I disagree. You're only looking at Price's results. How about we look at something else: winning formulas?
Other teams have been winning with goalies costing less than 10m. You build from the front because at its most basic level, it isn't the team that doesn't allows no goals that wins, but the team that scores more goals.
I am not saying you should be 100% offense, what I am saying is that a star forward is more important. Teams have won with decent goaltending (even Niemi has a cup)
You can't just look at 1/8 of the team's cap being shed on a goaltender with the next highest paid player being 2m++ under and claim we didn't build the franchise off the goaltender. Price is a great player, but it has not been a winning formula. Even if Florida wins with Bobrovsky's contract this year, it will be because of cheaper contracts due to absence of tax.
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& if you are going to build a defensive team, I'd rather bolster the defense and get a decent goaltender than to get a star goaltender with average defense.
I don't think he will be a Hab for much longer. Maybe he will play backup in the NHL someday, but I would be very surprised if it was in Montreal.
He needs a place where he can actually play games.
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I remember when he was regarded as our next starter when Price retires. Has he really deteriorated that badly?
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I agree. The same goalie can’t play all the games. We found ourselves struggling to win games when Price wasn’t in. Playing him all those games would wear him out. When he was gone for long stretches like this year, we struggled horribly. I think a team is better able to absorb the loss of a key player when it’s not a goalie.
Was he ever hyped that badly? Pretty sure Condon, Tokarski and Lindgren got more hype.
Anyway, since turning pro he never played more than 31 games in a season. He needs playing time.
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I believe going into last year Carey Price was the only player who’s advanced into the 2nd round while making 10mil or more. Kane did it last year and Price did it a second time.
So… yes, you want to avoid ten mil contracts if you can. But he was worth the cash. Problem is we built crappy teams around him. And that wasn’t because of his contract. We simply had a terrible GM.
Moreover we could’ve won cups in 2014-16 if we’d had better teams. Price was making 6 mil back then. If you have an ace player, pay him. But don’t surround him with trash.
Btw, we beat a team with three players making ten mil plus in the first round last year because our goalie stood on his head.
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And actually have a shot at a cup.
We never did. If we had, we’d have won some cups.
