HF Habs: Goaltending Prospects/Young Players - Who to Keep Who to Trade

[KevSkillz4]

Woah, Jakub Dobes looks like a stud G prospect.

He is the same level of Devon Levi?

 

[montreal]

Woah, Jakub Dobes looks like a stud G prospect.

He is the same level of Devon Levi?

when you factor that Levi has one of the best bluelines in the NCAA in front of him and Dobes doesn't, plus their size difference, I would think so.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Woah, Jakub Dobes looks like a stud G prospect.

He is the same level of Devon Levi?

I like Dobes far more. I think Levi is getting overrated

 

[waitin425]

Montreal has always been a powerhouse when it comes to the Goalie position.

From Dryden to Roy to Theodore to Price we have had goalies that win individual awards and often help carry the team to success. Interspersed with those Elite tier goalies we have had solid ones like Walmsely, Hayward, Thibault, Hackett, Halak and Allen.

What are your thoughts on the current state of Goalies with the Montreal Canadiens? With Price nearing the end of his career, do we have the next "Elite" level goalie in the system?

What are your thoughts on Montembault and/or Primeau? Do they have what it takes to transcend the solid level and enter into top 10 goalies in the league?

Should we be looking at drafting a high goalie in the coming draft? Are there any solid ones we can draft with Calgary's pick that will take the torch of our next superstar goalie?

Discuss

 

[Habs Halifax]

Price has two (maybe 3) good years left but he has to get healthy. If Healthy, he has a lot of gas left. If not healthy, he's on LTIR. Nobody knows and it's major guess work.

Allen could be retained during rebuild years. Good piece to have (especially if Price goes on LTIR). However, I might flip him for two 2nd's if we got that offer from the Oilers. And the 2nd's I want is for the 23 and 24 drafts.

Montembault has shown ability to step up to the challenge. If we were to trade Allen and Price was on LTIR, there are many other guys we can sign in the off season.

Primeau is not ready. Great AHL stats but he needs more time in the AHL and might never pan out.

Dobes has good numbers in the NCAA and his USHL last season. But Primeau also had great numbers. Someone to watch but goalie development is hard to guess.

Dichow is playing well in Sweden. Same hope with Dobes.

Who else can we draft?
Something to look out for in this draft and the next one.

 

[llamateizer]

I feel the approach to pick the best goalie (aka elite) is no longer valid.
you build your system around your Elite players.

 

[Gravity]

Samsonov

 

[waitin425]

Samsonov

Certainly lots of talk today around Samsonov

 

[waitin425]

I feel the approach to pick the best goalie (aka elite) is no longer valid.
you build your system around your Elite players.

I don't know if its ever been valid. I remember when we drafted Price. Many couldn't understand why we didn't draft Brule - me included. The scouting team saw something in Price and took that shot. If we drafted a goalie high again, like anywhere in the first round, I think there would be a lot of skeptics, but it has worked for us in the past.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I feel the approach to pick the best goalie (aka elite) is no longer valid.
you build your system around your Elite players.

I personally would avoid that narrative cause you do need a very good goalie to win a cup. However, we should not be using top 15 picks on goalies though. Tampa got Vasi with the 19th pick.

I get your point and I do support focusing on top 6F and top 4D first but we can't ignore that teams like the Avs and Oilers have struggled with their goalies and even if Campbell is playing well, can he take the Leafs on a good run? That critical goal he allowed against Gallagher in game 7 (weak 5 hole) is all it takes to get knocked out.

Top 6F and top 4D is important but we will be looking to draft a goalie from 20-100 range at some point. Maybe this draft or the next one.

 

[First Line]

Gorton has an eye for goalies, I’m least worried about that position.
We are lacking another goalie around Montembault’s age group to provide some competition but beside that keep building goalie depth.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I think the discussion should be Price vs. Samsonov pretty soon.

Are they planning on moving on from Price, is he retiring or forever on LTIR?
If they do get Samsonov it’ll be the first time Price has pressure since Halak.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Certainly lots of talk today around Samsonov

Short term solution like Allen was/is IMO. Would Allen and Samsonov be a good pairing next year? Possibly

 

[Vachon23]

Short term solution like Allen was/is IMO. Would Allen and Samsonov be a good pairing next year? Possibly

I don't think Samsonov would be a short terme solution, he's still young. Just hope if we trade for him, he will be better then the other Samsonov we had.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Cup winners

Tampa x2 Vasy like 19th overall.
St. Louis Binngington late round pick I believe.
Holtby 3rd round pick
Pens x2 Murray 2nd round pick/Fleury 1st overall
Crawford 2nd round pick
Quick 3rd round pick
Crawford 2nd round pick
Quick 3rd round pick
Tim Thomas 8th round pick
Niemi 5th round pick


The interesting thing is, I believe only Thomas wasn't drafted by the team that he won with.

So, you don't need to draft a goalie high, but you do tend to need to develop said goalie.

Having a good team in front of them really helps.

 

[beowulf]

Certainly lots of talk today around Samsonov

Which I don't get, so the Caps would lean on Vanecek?

 

[waitin425]

Which I don't get, so the Caps would lean on Vanecek?

I don't really get it either. Samsonov has superstar potential and a higher ceiling than Vanecek in my humble opinion.

 

[RationalExpectations]

I don't think Samsonov would be a short terme solution, he's still young. Just hope if we trade for him, he will be better then the other Samsonov we had.

Samsonov is not really good right now but he is still considered as a good part of the 1A/1B system WSH has with Vanecek so I don't think he is available anyway

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Which I don't get, so the Caps would lean on Vanecek?

Caps are in win-now mode, so they might want to bring in a more experienced guy than Samsonov instead of waiting on him to reach his potential. Samsonov has the higher potential, but right now Vanecek is the better goalie and with an older core he gives them a better chance of winning in the near future.

Perhaps they may have interest in Allen as a veteran 1B, or could be after Fleury if they clear cap. The Habs could take back some salary from Washington if needed as well.

 

[Garnet76]

If the goal is to tank this year and next there is no need for a goalie yet.

 

[peate]

What about McNiven, he's still a Hab, no?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

The sick joke is probably that we might end up having a ppg 1C for 10 years and no good goalie this time around

In all seriousness there's something in the water in Montreal that produces stable goaltending I wouldn't be suprised if we end up alright on that side, maybe not price Theodore level again but at least average

 

[Schwang]

Trade Allen, he could get a decent return from a desperate team.
Resign Monty. 3 years maybe 3 mill. He's developing into a solid goaltender.
Hopefully move on from Price, but if they can't, then they have him and Monty. If Price is in and out of the lineup, they can grab a vet for cheap from somewhere.
Primeau, I'm doubting will be an nhl goalie, but he needs a couple solid, uninterrupted seasons as the starter in Laval to determine that.
As for the guys in junior, it's encouraging but too early to tell.
No matter what, they need to move on from Price. At best, he gets them a worse draft pick, at worst, he's in and out. Either way, he's costing way too much and will not make this team a contender. It's going to take time, and by then, his play will have declined.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

I don't know if its ever been valid. I remember when we drafted Price. Many couldn't understand why we didn't draft Brule - me included. The scouting team saw something in Price and took that shot. If we drafted a goalie high again, like anywhere in the first round, I think there would be a lot of skeptics, but it has worked for us in the past.

What was weird about taking Carey Price wasn't the hype as much as using a lottery pick to do so when they had a 28 year-old Theodore in net who had shown zero signs of dipping. He was coming off a superb season in '04 and was only two years off from the Vezina.

 

[Goalfield13]

If Price is done, I want a Samsonov (24)/Montembeault (25) duo. Monty has been pretty good for us this year.