Goalie controversy thread

[Reality Czech]

It’s clear to me that Husso will not be resigned as he will cost to much in the off season. With Binnington’s contract untradable we should go ahead and trade Husso at the deadline and get something for him. I hope the front office has learned from Pietrangelo and others that letting guys walk for nothing is a bad idea. Clearly there are teams that need cheap goal tending badly and even if it is just a #2 draft choice, something is better than nothing. Could be used as another chip in future trades at the draft, etc.

"Letting" guys walk is a necessary part of business in the NHL. Each situation is different. It made perfect sense to trade Stastny and Shattenkirk before they became free agents, just as it made sense not to trade Backes and Pietrangelo. The ultimate goal is winning, so it's not smart to trade players for future assets when you have a good chance of winning in the present. There is nothing to "learn" from the Pietrangelo situation, it would have been a horrible mistake to trade him at the deadline. Every team in the league has to accept that they're gonna lose good players for nothing from time to time.

So the real question is, would it be smart to have an extremely vulnerable goalie situation this postseason in exchange for maybe a 2nd or 3rd round pick?

 

[cmcalum]

Why is it a “necessary part of the business”? My point here is Binnington is going no where. His contract is untradable. Get something while you can. My guess is he is worth at least a #2 draft choice and maybe a #1 depending how desperate some team may be. The Blues do have good prospects in the minors. Get something for him while you can as you are NOT going to resign him as he will want to much money and someone will pay it based on his play this year. People on this board need to wake up as they are so emotionally tied to certain players. Perron is not going to resign next year unless he takes a below market contract. I have been proposing for months trading ROR for Matthew Tkachuk in the off season and not locking up more long term dollars in a declining player. We have done that with many other players already. If we are going to do that let’s do it when the player is in his prime (Tkachuk) and plays with an edge. My guess he wants to come back to his hometown to play much of his career. We are also going to need money to pay Kyrou and Thomas so some of these current contracts will need to be moved. I’m sure I will get criticized immensely for this post but I am trying to be objective and not emotional. By the way 2 of my favorite players are Perron and ROR, I just want to win more cups and I think my suggestions will get us there faster.

 

[Reality Czech]

Why is it a “necessary part of the business”? My point here is Binnington is going no where. His contract is untradable. Get something while you can. My guess is he is worth at least a #2 draft choice and maybe a #1 depending how desperate some team may be. The Blues do have good prospects in the minors. Get something for him while you can as you are NOT going to resign him as he will want to much money and someone will pay it based on his play this year. People on this board need to wake up as they are so emotionally tied to certain players. Perron is not going to resign next year unless he takes a below market contract. I have been proposing for months trading ROR for Matthew Tkachuk in the off season and not locking up more long term dollars in a declining player. We have done that with many other players already. If we are going to do that let’s do it when the player is in his prime (Tkachuk) and plays with an edge. My guess he wants to come back to his hometown to play much of his career. We are also going to need money to pay Kyrou and Thomas so some of these current contracts will need to be moved. I’m sure I will get criticized immensely for this post but I am trying to be objective and not emotional. By the way 2 of my favorite players are Perron and ROR, I just want to win more cups and I think my suggestions will get us there faster.

I always find it funny when some fan thinks he's come up with some "hot take" that no one, including NHL GMs, has considered. Sounds like you're trying to play EA Sports GM mode with your suggestions, but in reality this just isn't how teams approach their own players and free agents to be.

I say it's a necessary part of the business, because every single team loses key UFAs from time to time....it's unavoidable and simply not realistic to trade every single guy before reaches UFA status. Keep in mind that some teams actually have hope they will be able to re-sign some of these players, so trading them makes that possibility extremely unlikely.

Regarding Husso, I guess what you are saying is that getting say a 2nd round pick will do more to help us win a Cup in the future compared to Husso possibly helping us win a Cup this season. One could argue either side of that, but a 2nd round pick could just as easily turn into a player that never plays a significant role in anything. Meanwhile Husso is here now doing a great job, is likely popular with teammates and shipping him out just to get a few middling assets isn't really a good look for a team hoping to go far in the playoffs. This isn't "being emotionally tied" to players, it's just common hockey sense. If the team was on the playoff bubble, or if Binnington was playing at 2019 levels, then moving Husso would make a lot more sense, but sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and let things play out naturally.

Since this is the goalie thread, I'd rather not get too deep in the rest of your post but I don't get fans who are willing to make the team worse in the present just for the hopes that it *might* make us a better team in the future. The actual present is more important than a hypothetical future. I trust that Army knows what he is doing and is fully aware of the implications of trading or not trading Husso this season.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I always find it funny when some fan thinks he's come up with some "hot take" that no one, including NHL GMs, has considered. Sounds like you're trying to play EA Sports GM mode with your suggestions, but in reality this just isn't how teams approach their own players and free agents to be.

I say it's a necessary part of the business, because every single team loses key UFAs from time to time....it's unavoidable and simply not realistic to trade every single guy before reaches UFA status. Keep in mind that some teams actually have hope they will be able to re-sign some of these players, so trading them makes that possibility extremely unlikely.

Regarding Husso, I guess what you are saying is that getting say a 2nd round pick will do more to help us win a Cup in the future compared to Husso possibly helping us win a Cup this season. One could argue either side of that, but a 2nd round pick could just as easily turn into a player that never plays a significant role in anything. Meanwhile Husso is here now doing a great job, is likely popular with teammates and shipping him out just to get a few middling assets isn't really a good look for a team hoping to go far in the playoffs. This isn't "being emotionally" tied to players, it's just common hockey sense. If the team was on the playoff bubble, or if Binnington was playing at 2019 levels, then moving Husso would make a lot more sense, but sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and let things play out naturally.

Since this is the goalie thread, I'd rather not get too deep in the rest of your post but I don't get fans who are willing to make the team worse in the present just for the hopes that it *might* make us a better team in the future. The actual present is more important than a hypothetical future. I trust that Army knows what he is doing and is fully aware of the implications of trading or not trading Husso this season.

Well said my friend. So funny that every 14 year old knows better how to build team than one of top GMs in league.

 

[Reality Czech]

Well said my friend. So funny that every 14 year old knows better how to build team than one of top GMs in league.

There's a difference between simply having an opinion instead of acting like their opinion is the ONLY way to do things.

I understand the impluse to constantly make roster moves as I used to play fantasy hockey. Whenever I logged in, I would scan the waiver wire to try to find that undervalued player I could add to the team or try to propose trades to other owners. It's a lot more fun to play that way instead of just sitting there watching the same roster week after week without making any changes whatsoever. However, that's why they call it "fantasy" hockey because real teams don't run their franchises that way nor should they. Losing UFAs sucks sometimes but it also opens up cap space which can facilitate other roster moves, so looking at it as a pure waste of assets is overly simplistic.

Regarding the Petro example, I doubt there is a single GM in the NHL that would have traded him away before the deadline just to recoup assets (and basically torpedo any realistic chance of re-signing him or winning a Cup that season) yet this guy acts like it was a mistake. C'mon man!

 

[cmcalum]

Just because someone has a different opinion than you do doesn’t mean you have to denigrate someone with EA Sports comments. That’s not to big a word for you is it. Making a suggestion about a trade or two isn’t done by 14 year olds but people who watch the team as you do and make comments on boards like this. Isn’t this what the board is for? Geez you guys are so sensitive. As I said I would get beat up for this post as it isn’t the common fan boy posts that I see so often. With regard to Husso, do you honestly think he will be resigned after this year based on his play? You have to determine how much you will spend on certain assets and what you have in your farm system. Do you honestly think the Blues will invest 10M in goalies next year knowing that in a year or two they have to pay Kyrou and Thomas? The Blues have Hofer, Ellis and Lindgren in the farm system. Can one of those be the back up. Do you agree that Binnington is going no where? Do you want to invest another, at least, 7.5 Million per year for 7 years, on ROR’s contract when you have long term contracts on Schenn, Krug, Parayko, Faulk, Binnington, Saad. All of these contracts are at least 6.5 Million, except Saad, through 2026. Before any of these contracts come off you will pay big money to Thomas and Kyrou. It appears the salary cap will go up very slowly due to Covid. Yes, I’m sure Armstrong, your guys God, is thinking about all of this but you guys at least have to agree he has made some bad long term contract decisions going back to the Jori Lehtera contract. That said Armstrong has made some great trades. I just don’t value some of the players long term that he does.

 

[Xerloris]

Just because someone has a different opinion than you do doesn’t mean you have to denigrate someone with EA Sports comments. That’s not to big a word for you is it. Making a suggestion about a trade or two isn’t done by 14 year olds but people who watch the team as you do and make comments on boards like this. Isn’t this what the board is for? Geez you guys are so sensitive. As I said I would get beat up for this post as it isn’t the common fan boy posts that I see so often. With regard to Husso, do you honestly think he will be resigned after this year based on his play? You have to determine how much you will spend on certain assets and what you have in your farm system. Do you honestly think the Blues will invest 10M in goalies next year knowing that in a year or two they have to pay Kyrou and Thomas? The Blues have Hofer, Ellis and Lindgren in the farm system. Can one of those be the back up. Do you agree that Binnington is going no where? Do you want to invest another, at least, 7.5 Million per year for 7 years, on ROR’s contract when you have long term contracts on Schenn, Krug, Parayko, Faulk, Binnington, Saad. All of these contracts are at least 6.5 Million, except Saad, through 2026. Before any of these contracts come off you will pay big money to Thomas and Kyrou. It appears the salary cap will go up very slowly due to Covid. Yes, I’m sure Armstrong, your guys God, is thinking about all of this but you guys at least have to agree he has made some bad long term contract decisions going back to the Jori Lehtera contract. That said Armstrong has made some great trades. I just don’t value some of the players long term that he does.

Teams trade for UFA yearly to stock up for the playoffs and then that player walks at the end of the season. What's the difference between that and holding onto a UFA to use for the playoffs and then allowing them to walk for nothing? Both ways you're losing an asset for nothing. no one gives a shit about a 2nd or 3rd round pick when it comes to having assurance for the playoffs. It's f***ing assinine to trade Husso for trash when we may need him in the playoffs or f***, maybe even just to make it to the playoffs.

 

[Brian39]

Just because someone has a different opinion than you do doesn’t mean you have to denigrate someone with EA Sports comments.

Don't act like some martyr who is being unfairly attacked. You can't whine about being 'denigrated with EA Sports comments' 2 hours after you're using phrases like

People on this board need to wake up as they are so emotionally tied to certain players...I’m sure I will get criticized immensely for this post but I am trying to be objective and not emotional.

If you are going to boil down any criticism of your opinion to "you guys need to wake up and stop being so emotional" then you need to be prepared for people to be equally dismissive of you. Neither of the people you are responding to brought emotions about a player into the topic at all. Both of them were talking about weighing the current chances of team success against the low-mid-value futures asset that might increase future chances of team success. You argued in bad faith and the response you got was equally dismissive.

Back to the topic at hand, trading Husso would create a large hole in net. This team isn't good enough to win a Cup with sub-.920 goaltending. We bleed shots and whoever is in net needs to be doing more than just being good and timely. If we win the Cup, I will be very surprised if we have one goalie with 16 wins. Whether he is the clear starter by Game 1 or is waiting in the wings to replace Binner at times, it is very likely that this team needs him to have a shot at the Cup. Any discussion of moving him to get something for the future absolutely has to acknowledge that doing so tangibly impacts our chances this year.

 

[Reality Czech]

Just because someone has a different opinion than you do doesn’t mean you have to denigrate someone with EA Sports comments. That’s not to big a word for you is it. Making a suggestion about a trade or two isn’t done by 14 year olds but people who watch the team as you do and make comments on boards like this. Isn’t this what the board is for? Geez you guys are so sensitive. As I said I would get beat up for this post as it isn’t the common fan boy posts that I see so often. With regard to Husso, do you honestly think he will be resigned after this year based on his play? You have to determine how much you will spend on certain assets and what you have in your farm system. Do you honestly think the Blues will invest 10M in goalies next year knowing that in a year or two they have to pay Kyrou and Thomas? The Blues have Hofer, Ellis and Lindgren in the farm system. Can one of those be the back up. Do you agree that Binnington is going no where? Do you want to invest another, at least, 7.5 Million per year for 7 years, on ROR’s contract when you have long term contracts on Schenn, Krug, Parayko, Faulk, Binnington, Saad. All of these contracts are at least 6.5 Million, except Saad, through 2026. Before any of these contracts come off you will pay big money to Thomas and Kyrou. It appears the salary cap will go up very slowly due to Covid. Yes, I’m sure Armstrong, your guys God, is thinking about all of this but you guys at least have to agree he has made some bad long term contract decisions going back to the Jori Lehtera contract. That said Armstrong has made some great trades. I just don’t value some of the players long term that he does.

If you wanna challenge my vocabulary skills, you might wanna do a quick grammar check on your own post. And using paragraphs would be appreciated as well.

I call em as I see em, bud. You're more than welcome to share your opinion but if you come across as a condescending teenager then I will treat you as such.

To answer your questions, I don't know if Husso will be re-signed or not but it's not a "waste" to risk losing him as UFA because he might help us THIS SEASON. Why are you already thinking about next season when we are in the thick of a playoff race and have a pretty competitive team right now? We will worry about next season after this one, but at least we have other options in the event that Husso walks.

Regarding ROR, I have no idea what will happen but I don't know why we are even talking about this right now. He's not gonna be traded this season, so why not revisit this in the offseason? Can't you just enjoy this current run without trying to solve all of our long term problems? He's the heart and soul of this team on and off the ice, and only ROR and Armstrong know what he expects from the team long term and I doubt either of them are even thinking about it at this point.

What you call "being a fan boy" I call "being a fan." I support the Blues even if I don't agree with every single decision the GM makes, but I can at least understand the logic even if I would personally do things differently. But in general, I'm pretty confident that Army takes everything into consideration before making any major roster decisions. Can you say the same?

 

[Xerloris]

I've been very vocal about the riskiness of extending Husso and being worried about small sample sizes. But weariness of small sample sizes cuts both directions. His sample size of great play is now just as large as his sample size of poor play. It is not true that there is much more proof of him being a bad goalie than a good one. You can't discount one and assume the other is true.

Your 7 game sample is a .901 SV%, which really isn't enough of a sample to talk about "the entire rest of the year" when you are dismissing his first 14 games as a crazy 2 months. If you exclude last night's game he put up a .909 over the stretch you are talking about, which is pretty clearly not sub-par goaltending. He's not a .940 elite goaltender, but I also don't think it is fair to say that he's been bad besides that one stretch.

But even assuming that the most recent 7 game stretch is evidence that he is a poor goalie, the evidence of poor play still doesn't outweigh the evidence of good play.

He was bad in the first 10 games last season but then he closed the season strong with a .911 SV% in his final 7 games. You can't chalk up all 17 games as "bad play" if we're dissecting the streaks of this season and using 7 game sample sizes.

At most, we're talking about a 10 game block of evidence for bad play last year and 7 games this year. We've then got a 7 game sample of decent play last season and 14 games of great play this season. All together, his career SV% is now .915 and he's been a .926 goalie over his last 28 games played. He's got a .600 quality start rate for his career. That is just simply not a situation where there is more proof toward being bad than there is proof of being good.

I'm in zero rush to extend Husso, especially for a contract based on his current numbers. I'd much rather risk losing him for nothing by forcing him to grow his resume than lock him up and regret an extension. I think we are in complete agreement about that. But sample size issues run both directions when trying to figure out who he is. It is just as reasonable to chalk up hi poor play as typical rookie shakiness than it is to chalk up his first 14 games this year to an unsustainable hot streak.

I should have chosen words a bit more appropriately but you're right.

 

[TheDizee]

if someone has to go next year if husso is getting a big pay raise, I hope chucky sideburns gets a shot at making the club. he was a great stabilizer when this team was in rough water and a good teammate. plus he was spitting out amazing starts. blues need to let him earn a spot for sure.

 

[BlueSeal]

Binny and Husso are our dynamic duo. Live with it and deal with it.

For those who cry about Binny having issues and saying he’s just a normal netminder, well he is but he shows up when it counts and we hoisted a Stanley Cup because of it.

I remember a time before the Cup win and I find it funny how much a ‘mere mortal’ they consider Binny with no reference to the history before Pie lifted that Cup.

Those of us who were there before suffered unlike any other franchise and we got some fly-by-nights telling us how bad Binny is and making out like he’ll never be anything. First rookie to win all the playoff games and hoisted the cup on Boston ice where Orr went airborne. 2019 meant everything and Binny came in when the team was the -worst-team in December.

Take your nonsense somewhere else. Y’all ain’t Blues fans or if you are it’s because we won the Cup.

Husso may do the same for us too and I hope he does. Stop living on goalie stats alone, doing that with a netminder will always leave you disappointed.

Doing that with the rookie goalie who broke the curse, coming into the team when he did triggers me. THERE IS NO GOALIE CONTROVERSY, there IS however a pipeline filled with goalie talent. Our future is blindingly bright.

For crying out loud, try to enjoy it. THESE are the days us old heads dreamed of living in.

 

[Brian39]

First rookie to win all the playoff games and hoisted the cup on Boston ice where Orr went airborne. 2019 meant everything and Binny came in when the team was the -worst-team in December.

Slight nitpick, but he is not the first rookie to win all of his team's games en route to the Cup. He is the first rookie to win all 16 games in a single playoff season. But it hasn't always taken 16 to win the Cup. Roy won every game his rookie year and so did Dryden. I can't bring myself to discount those performances just because they happened under a slightly different playoff format. The playoffs were only 3 rounds when Dryden did it. The opening round was best of 5 when Roy did it. They won all their team's games, but there was just no way to win 16 back then. It's a small nitpick and Roy/Dryden is a hell of a duo to be associtated with.

Vasilevski is the only goalie to win 18 playoff games in a season due to the weird bubble season and it would definitely be silly to say he's the only Cup winner to win all the playoff games just because no one else has ever had to win 18.

Niemi also won all 16 games in his first season, but he was about 2 weeks too old to technically be a rookie. He was born August 29. If his birthday was September 16, he'd be on this list too.

Matt Murray has an incredible 22 playoff wins and 2 Cup wins as a rookie. He won 15 games in 2016, but didn't play enough that season to lose the rookie tag. He was still a rookie in 2016/17 and won 7 more playoff games (the final 7) to win his 2nd Cup as a rookie.

Rookie stats for goalies are weird since games dressed as a backup don't count toward games played totals.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

If we're going to trade Husso because he could walk might as well just trade Perron cause he can walk at the end of the year too. Or he'll, trade RoR and Barbie because they can just walk at the end of next year while we're at it. We're a playoff team trading away our UFAs make zero sense if the GM and Owner thinks we can win a cup.

 

[Reality Czech]

Binny and Husso are our dynamic duo. Live with it and deal with it.

For those who cry about Binny having issues and saying he’s just a normal netminder, well he is but he shows up when it counts and we hoisted a Stanley Cup because of it.

I remember a time before the Cup win and I find it funny how much a ‘mere mortal’ they consider Binny with no reference to the history before Pie lifted that Cup.

Those of us who were there before suffered unlike any other franchise and we got some fly-by-nights telling us how bad Binny is and making out like he’ll never be anything. First rookie to win all the playoff games and hoisted the cup on Boston ice where Orr went airborne. 2019 meant everything and Binny came in when the team was the -worst-team in December.

Take your nonsense somewhere else. Y’all ain’t Blues fans or if you are it’s because we won the Cup.

Husso may do the same for us too and I hope he does. Stop living on goalie stats alone, doing that with a netminder will always leave you disappointed.

Doing that with the rookie goalie who broke the curse, coming into the team when he did triggers me. THERE IS NO GOALIE CONTROVERSY, there IS however a pipeline filled with goalie talent. Our future is blindingly bright.

For crying out loud, try to enjoy it. THESE are the days us old heads dreamed of living in.

Thank you very much, very well said!

I swear some people just like being miserable and complaining all the time. What Binnington did in 2019 should earn him the respect of all Blues fans for eternity, no matter what happens from here on out.

 

[BlueSeal]

Slight nitpick, but he is not the first rookie to win all of his team's games en route to the Cup. He is the first rookie to win all 16 games in a single playoff season. But it hasn't always taken 16 to win the Cup. Roy won every game his rookie year and so did Dryden. I can't bring myself to discount those performances just because they happened under a slightly different playoff format. The playoffs were only 3 rounds when Dryden did it. The opening round was best of 5 when Roy did it. They won all their team's games, but there was just no way to win 16 back then. It's a small nitpick and Roy/Dryden is a hell of a duo to be associtated with.

Vasilevski is the only goalie to win 18 playoff games in a season due to the weird bubble season and it would definitely be silly to say he's the only Cup winner to win all the playoff games just because no one else has ever had to win 18.

Niemi also won all 16 games in his first season, but he was about 2 weeks too old to technically be a rookie. He was born August 29. If his birthday was September 16, he'd be on this list too.

Matt Murray has an incredible 22 playoff wins and 2 Cup wins as a rookie. He won 15 games in 2016, but didn't play enough that season to lose the rookie tag. He was still a rookie in 2016/17 and won 7 more playoff games (the final 7) to win his 2nd Cup as a rookie.

Rookie stats for goalies are weird since games dressed as a backup don't count toward games played totals.

Huh. Thank you for your response, learned something today, appreciate you!

 

[joe galiba]

Binny and Husso are our dynamic duo. Live with it and deal with it.

For those who cry about Binny having issues and saying he’s just a normal netminder, well he is but he shows up when it counts and we hoisted a Stanley Cup because of it.

I remember a time before the Cup win and I find it funny how much a ‘mere mortal’ they consider Binny with no reference to the history before Pie lifted that Cup.

Those of us who were there before suffered unlike any other franchise and we got some fly-by-nights telling us how bad Binny is and making out like he’ll never be anything. First rookie to win all the playoff games and hoisted the cup on Boston ice where Orr went airborne. 2019 meant everything and Binny came in when the team was the -worst-team in December.

Take your nonsense somewhere else. Y’all ain’t Blues fans or if you are it’s because we won the Cup.

Husso may do the same for us too and I hope he does. Stop living on goalie stats alone, doing that with a netminder will always leave you disappointed.

Doing that with the rookie goalie who broke the curse, coming into the team when he did triggers me. THERE IS NO GOALIE CONTROVERSY, there IS however a pipeline filled with goalie talent. Our future is blindingly bright.

For crying out loud, try to enjoy it. THESE are the days us old heads dreamed of living in.

I agree with you on everything, except the suffer unlike any other franchise part
the Sabres and Canucks will surpass us for futility by a NHL franchise, and I do feel sorry for the Buffalo fans - lots of disappointments with the NFL Bills as well

 

[BlueSeal]

I agree with you on everything, except the suffer unlike any other franchise part
the Sabres and Canucks will surpass us for futility by a NHL franchise, and I do feel sorry for the Buffalo fans - lots of disappointments with the NFL Bills as well

Now, yes. Before 2019? Mind we’re older than the teams you mentioned and our rosters from a Franchise standpoint rival anything that any of those teams ever had.

If an outsider looked at those rosters from the beginning til 2018, they’d be convinced that this -was- a cursed franchise.

Throw in that we made the finals our first 3 years to just get obliterated with a Conn Smythe victory for Hall on a -failed- effort just compounds it.

 

[BlueOil]

if someone has to go next year if husso is getting a big pay raise, I hope chucky sideburns gets a shot at making the club. he was a great stabilizer when this team was in rough water and a good teammate. plus he was spitting out amazing starts. blues need to let him earn a spot for sure.

chuck is a UFA this summer so he'll probably be gone anyway

 

[WATTAGE4451]

Why is it a “necessary part of the business”? My point here is Binnington is going no where. His contract is untradable. Get something while you can. My guess is he is worth at least a #2 draft choice and maybe a #1 depending how desperate some team may be. The Blues do have good prospects in the minors. Get something for him while you can as you are NOT going to resign him as he will want to much money and someone will pay it based on his play this year. People on this board need to wake up as they are so emotionally tied to certain players. Perron is not going to resign next year unless he takes a below market contract. I have been proposing for months trading ROR for Matthew Tkachuk in the off season and not locking up more long term dollars in a declining player. We have done that with many other players already. If we are going to do that let’s do it when the player is in his prime (Tkachuk) and plays with an edge. My guess he wants to come back to his hometown to play much of his career. We are also going to need money to pay Kyrou and Thomas so some of these current contracts will need to be moved. I’m sure I will get criticized immensely for this post but I am trying to be objective and not emotional. By the way 2 of my favorite players are Perron and ROR, I just want to win more cups and I think my suggestions will get us there faster.

Why would a team ever trade for a guy on the last year of a contract then since they will lose them for nothing in the offseason

 

[TheDizee]

chuck is a UFA this summer so he'll probably be gone anyway

i hope he gets a NHL job next year with someone, hopefully us

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Why would a team ever trade for a guy on the last year of a contract then since they will lose them for nothing in the offseason

Gee, it’s almost as if this kid has no idea what he is talking about.

 

[DeuceNine]

I honestly think we're playing Husso this much in order to up his trade offers. Chucky is a hugely competent backup, and can take over if needed in a pinch. Surely coaching has to know that 50 is emotionally sensitive to feeling like he's being overlooked -- it's what drove him in '19 -- but I wonder if this time it's not a motivator but viewed as insulting. Point is, I have to imagine the conversations were taking place that reiterated the fact that he's the man, and this is business.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I honestly think we're playing Husso this much in order to up his trade offers. Chucky is a hugely competent backup, and can take over if needed in a pinch. Surely coaching has to know that 50 is emotionally sensitive to feeling like he's being overlooked -- it's what drove him in '19 -- but I wonder if this time it's not a motivator but viewed as insulting. Point is, I have to imagine the conversations were taking place that reiterated the fact that he's the man, and this is business.

If they're going to trade Husso then they need to trade Perron as well.

 

[WATTAGE4451]

I honestly think we're playing Husso this much in order to up his trade offers. Chucky is a hugely competent backup, and can take over if needed in a pinch. Surely coaching has to know that 50 is emotionally sensitive to feeling like he's being overlooked -- it's what drove him in '19 -- but I wonder if this time it's not a motivator but viewed as insulting. Point is, I have to imagine the conversations were taking place that reiterated the fact that he's the man, and this is business.

Based on what? 4 games against bottom of the leavue offensive teams? Binny looks "cured" after facing the lowest goal scoring teams too, bit lets see harder comp. Lindgren has struggled and failed to remain an nhl player since 2015. Maybe hes imporved but hes proven nothing. Nhl/ahl tweeners can look amaxing or terrible in sich sample sizes. Leafs hated hutchinson for year every time he was recalled, then loved him last year in sss, then are back to hating him again as it turns out last year was sss. Lindgren isnt proven to be an nhl player