Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part VIII

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

The game has certainly changed. You would never have seen something like Brady on his bender in an opposing teams colors cheering emphatically 20 years ago.

Captain of another team no less.

But yea, I aint bothered or think much of it in the least. It is a hardcore hockey family first and foremost. All are stars, zero insecurity, in a hockey rink(a tradition they grew up in) and privileged with all living a millionaire's life--which is all they've known and enjoyed. To them, this is just another night out with the family at the rink.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I don't mean to portray it like it bothers me, I don't care, but it warrants discussion since it's sort of unprecedented.

I thought I sensed his brother was a bit embarrassed when asked about it and said he's been on a bender for weeks, but hard to tell. He didn't have fun with it like I expected, but it was a post game question so mind was probably on the game.

 

[Sweatred]

Bobby Ryan and Mark Methot both questioned how Brady was putting himself out there. They both recognized the optics aren't great, though acknowledged they'd support their family, they'd likely be doing it from the back of a box, out of sight.

There's certainly an optics issue at play. To some it's important, to others it's a non issue. As someone in marketing though, it seems like an odd misstep

Zero issue for Brady cheering on his bro’s team. I couldn’t care less if he is cheering for STL either or whoever his childhood favourite team is ..

I’ll take Brady’s approach to the game any day over Ryan’s and since you like to reference pro views .. you should google
Up what Mike Johnston had to say about anyone who wants to discredit Brady for cheering for the Flames.

 

[Micklebot]

Zero issue for Brady cheering on his bro’s team. I couldn’t care less if he is cheering for STL either or whoever his childhood favourite team is ..

I’ll take Brady’s approach to the game any day over Ryan’s and since you like to reference pro views .. you should google
Up what Mike Johnston had to say about anyone who wants to discredit Brady for cheering for the Flames.

What I'm pointing out is there are clearly people who do care. Not everyone does, but it doesn't take everyone for it to be bad optics. I don't care about it, but it's absolutely a potential optics issue that will rub some people the wrong way. Personally, I think Brady is a bit of a unicorn, Im not sure too many other current players would get away with it. I mentioned it above but Montreal would have lost their minds if PK did this when he played for them.

 

[Sweatred]

What I'm pointing out is there are clearly people who do care. Not everyone does, but it doesn't take everyone for it to be bad optics. I don't care about it, but it's absolutely a potential optics issue that will rub some people the wrong way. Personally, I think Brady is a bit of a unicorn, Im not sure too many other current players would get away with it. I mentioned it above but Montreal would have lost their minds if PK did this when he played for them.

Only fools care if Brady is cheering on his bro -

I’m sure the usuals will try to flip it into a negative on the Sens … in the end that costs the franchise $0.00 cause they don’t buy any tickets anyway.

 

[aragorn]

I must be out of touch since I couldn't care less about Brady cheering on his brother sitting alongside his family.

I'd roll my eyes at anyone who tells me the optics are bad. Brady doesn't owe us anything considering how good and hard he plays for Ottawa; I'm not going to chastize him for cheering his brother on when he is done for the year.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Only fools care if Brady is cheering on his bro -

I’m sure the usuals will try to flip it into a negative on the Sens … in the end that costs the franchise $0.00 cause they don’t buy any tickets anyway.

They are in major trouble if they have no intention of converting non paying residents of Ottawa to be paying ones.

 

[coladin]

I am not surprised to see the people questioning Brady cheering for his brother to be what I would expect. For the record, if PK was cheering his brother I would be totally fine with it as well. I think when people are concerned about image more than reality, they lose touch with what they are actually viewing. To each their own, but I love how Brady is cheering on his brother and you get the feeling Matthew would do the same if the roles were reversed. How cool would that be!

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Anyone post this yet?

 

[Sweatred]

They are in major trouble if they have no intention of converting non paying residents of Ottawa to be paying ones.

Meh - someone Who got locked out of attending for 2? Years with Covid who wouldnt find the time to swipe the CC for $25.50 to watch a signed Brady or Jimmy play live is a ways away from being the type of fan this org needs.

Imagine not going to a single game all season … Dorion needs fans to commit.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Meh - someone Who got locked out of attending for 2? Years with Covid who wouldnt find the time to swipe the CC for $25.50 to watch a signed Brady or Jimmy play live is a ways away from being the type of fan this org needs.

Imagine not going to a single game all season …

That's one perspective. I still don't see how they improve attendance if they aren't able to convince non paying residents of Ottawa to become financial contributors, or more importantly, interested in spending the time.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Anyone post this yet?

Sounds like a bit of a housecleaning is happening. Interesting opinion from Friedman.

 

[Micklebot]

I am not surprised to see the people questioning Brady cheering for his brother to be what I would expect. For the record, if PK was cheering his brother I would be totally fine with it as well. I think when people are concerned about image more than reality, they lose touch with what they are actually viewing. To each their own, but I love how Brady is cheering on his brother and you get the feeling Matthew would do the same if the roles were reversed. How cool would that be!

Honestly, I think the sens fan reaction has been very mild. It probably helps that he's doing it with a 7 year contract, so nobody is insecure about losing him. If then sens were the team in the playoffs though, Flames fans might be a bit more on edge given Matt is without a contract.

It's unusual though for a reason. I wonder how Lamerelo would react to his team's captain doing the same.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

I am not surprised to see the people questioning Brady cheering for his brother to be what I would expect. For the record, if PK was cheering his brother I would be totally fine with it as well. I think when people are concerned about image more than reality, they lose touch with what they are actually viewing. To each their own, but I love how Brady is cheering on his brother and you get the feeling Matthew would do the same if the roles were reversed. How cool would that be!

Where do you see this?

Why would anyone have a problem with Brady supporting his brother. Feels odd to me

 

[Sweatred]

Where would be be if Dorion didn’t trade EK ?

Imagine if he conceded to fan pressure and had EK at $11.5 million and no Jimmy, Norris, SoGreat, Levi, etc.

 

[coladin]

Anyone post this yet?

The replies are pretty embarrassing. Yikes.

 

[PlayOn]

Where would be be if Dorion didn’t trade EK ?

Imagine if he conceded to fan pressure and had EK at $11.5 million and no Jimmy, Norris, SoGreat, Levi, etc.

Dorion had no choice in the matter, let’s be honest here. Melnyk wasn’t going to pay him and he wasn’t going to sign at a discount. But yes, he did well in the trade for sure and it was the best move of his career.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I'm not sure why we should care about Friedman's opinion with regards to what is a purely business move..

Safe bet that Friedman knows Lajoie, Toronto is incestuous.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

I'm not sure why we should care about Friedman's opinion with regards to what is a purely business move..

Safe bet that Friedman knows Lajoie, Toronto is incestuous.

The COTU, is also the center of the NHL. Everyone knows the dice are loaded.

Tread carefully Sens Twitter Army. The fridge sees you!

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[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Where would be be if Dorion didn’t trade EK ?

Imagine if he conceded to fan pressure and had EK at $11.5 million and no Jimmy, Norris, SoGreat, Levi, etc.

It was an excellent trade.

Go even further back. What if he never traded for Duchene and blew it up a couple months earlier instead and added that haul to our current pool.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

The COTU, is also the center of the NHL. Everyone knows the dice are loaded.

Tread carefully Sens Twitter Army. The fridge sees you!

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If you'd like to address Sens Twitter Army, I think they're more likely to be on Twitter than HFBoards. You should try there.

 

[umma gumma]

Dorion did good to get Norris, but he got really lucky with the Shark's 1st. No one was expecting the 3rd pick after SJ had just finished the season 6th overall in the standings, following it up with a trip to the 3rd round. Their pic that year ended up as the 29th selection. I think that's where part of the disappointment in the return came from; no one expected a top 3 pick, not even Wilson. If the trade had happened in a similar fashion to the way Yashin was traded, and we knew the Sens were picking 3rd and getting one of Byfield or Timmy, the reaction would have been very different I'm sure.

Its good because it made up for giving up the 4OA so he breaks even there.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

The COTU, is also the center of the NHL. Everyone knows the dice are loaded.

Tread carefully Sens Twitter Army. The fridge sees you!

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Who said anything about shenanigans?

Friedman is a hockey analyst and what happened to Lajoie has absolutely nothing to do with hockey. He is entitled to his opinion and is more than welcome to share it, I just find his position to be without merit and wouldn't be surprised if he knew Lajoie which would certainly explain why he felt the need to comment.

Try again gramps.

 

[Knave]

Dorion did good to get Norris, but he got really lucky with the Shark's 1st. No one was expecting the 3rd pick after SJ had just finished the season 6th overall in the standings, following it up with a trip to the 3rd round. Their pic that year ended up as the 29th selection. I think that's where part of the disappointment in the return came from; no one expected a top 3 pick, not even Wilson. If the trade had happened in a similar fashion to the way Yashin was traded, and we knew the Sens were picking 3rd and getting one of Byfield or Timmy, the reaction would have been very different I'm sure.

Its good because it made up for giving up the 4OA so he breaks even there.

Yeah the revisionist history is lame.

The key thing to keep in mind here Karlsson had won two Norris trophies and looked great even after injury. We got a roster player, a blue chip prospect and a draft pick from a team that had come off a season comfortably making the playoffs.

I'm a little uneasy giving Dorion credit for San Jose failing but to his credit he picked Stutzle and that looks very promising.

I think it's worth looking at the Duchene deal what it cost us and what Colorado got:

Turris, a second line center
Hammond a backup goalie who had a miracle run
Bowers blue chip prospect, a first round pick by used the draft preceding the trade
Conditional 1st pick that ended up being 4th overall in 2019

Now what did Colorado give for Duchene once we look at what we gave up:

Girard - a young defenseman, bluechip prospect out of Nashville
Bowers - a first round pick out of Ottawa
Kamenev - Russian player, not anything significant
An Ottawa 1st round pick (ended up being 4th overall in 2019)
A Nashville 2nd round pick
an Ottawa 3rd round pick.

And either way you slice it we gave up more or Colorado got more for a centerman who has never won anything than Dorion got for a 2x Norris winner.

 

[Sweatred]

Yeah the revisionist history is lame.

The key thing to keep in mind here Karlsson had won two Norris trophies and looked great even after injury. We got a roster player, a blue chip prospect and a draft pick from a team that had come off a season comfortably making the playoffs.

I'm a little uneasy giving Dorion credit for San Jose failing but to his credit he picked Stutzle and that looks very promising.

I think it's worth looking at the Duchene deal what it cost us and what Colorado got:

Turris, a second line center
Hammond a backup goalie who had a miracle run
Bowers blue chip prospect, a first round pick by used the draft preceding the trade
Conditional 1st pick that ended up being 4th overall in 2019

Now what did Colorado give for Duchene once we look at what we gave up:

Girard - a young defenseman, bluechip prospect out of Nashville
Bowers - a first round pick out of Ottawa
Kamenev - Russian player, not anything significant
An Ottawa 1st round pick (ended up being 4th overall in 2019)
A Nashville 2nd round pick
an Ottawa 3rd round pick.

And either way you slice it we gave up more or Colorado got more for a centerman who has never won anything than Dorion got for a 2x Norris winner.

I’d prefer ..

Stutzle
Norris
Levi (3rd) via Demelo
SoGreat (2nd)
Opstachuk (2nd)
Tierney and Balcers

Dorion’s been decent recently. There is a noticeable shift in his thinking after the Zibby and White blunders and taking Brady, slow cooking Batherson etc.