Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part VIII

[SPF6ty9]

Eugene is broke. Why do you think he keeps Dorion?

Because he doesn't have the foresight to understand that employing Dorion leads to more dumb expensive moves that cost him more in the long run.

And let's be real guys, Giroux isn't coming here, why would he? I think it was Wallace (admittedly is always negative about the Sens but has a point here) who said that he lives here in the summer, he understands what is going on with the team better than other FAs, why the heck would he sign up for that when he has options. Maybe if we're lucky and we've rebuilt our image by then, he'll play for the Sens when those options start to run out.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Proudest Day

Not hard to think pretty much anyone could do better.
What a shame to have this guy running the show here.
Extremely discouraging.
Drink

We could crowd source better moves then this easily, the only thing that's entertaining about this team at this point is to see the absolute insane maniacs still defending mgmt and ownership and the depths they will stubbornly goto as to never admit they have been wrong all along, at least I get a laugh out of that....that hit piece would be a welcomed Xmas present for Sens fans this year!

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

We could crowd source better moves then this easily, the only thing that's entertaining about this team at this point is to see the absolute insane maniacs still defending mgmt and ownership and the depths they will stubbornly goto as to never admit they have been wrong all along, at least I get a laugh out of that....that hit piece would be a welcomed Xmas present for Sens fans this year!

I would say they are plants but there are still a minority but fair number of them that unapologetically defend every move. Takes all kinds I guess.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

The little birdies chirping about big changes coming are getting louder. Started around the time the Tkachuk family agreed to commit long term in Ottawa.

Dorion is a dead man walking at this point.

Inside info or just speculation?

 

[Xspyrit]

Proudest Day

Not hard to think pretty much anyone could do better.
What a shame to have this guy running the show here.
Extremely discouraging.
Drink

Connor Brown!
Vladimir Namestnikov (if we could have extended him, don't trade him for a 4th!)
Anthony Duclair! (oops)
Matt Duchene!
Derick Brassard!
Dylan DeMelo! (then traded him for a 3rd when we could have used him lol)

That's pretty much it. We had our hands on a few quality players but managed to let them go for barely nothing or pay crazy ransom prizes to get them (Duchene, Brassard)

No wonder we're in this situation today

Oh and a guy that it was CLEAR should have been traded at his peak value (Chris Tierney) is still around! And me the amateur has known this since 2019

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[branch]

Well, how about that, an investigative media story into the Sens. Who would have guessed.

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This is speculated to be Katie Strang who did the Arizona articles

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

I wonder what this means for Brannstrom.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I wonder what this means for Brannstrom.

Opportunity I would suspect when he comes back. I would expect an attempt at some form of evaluation although I don't have a lot of faith in that ability.

 

[branch]

Why are they always vaccillating messages and on signings lol…snip snap snip snap

 

[Cosmix]

Dorion should lose his signing authority at this point. His moves should be vetted...and preferably by someone with a lot more expertise and more stable than Melnyk.

Dorion should not be making any decisions anymore.

 

[Alex1234]

Because he doesn't have the foresight to understand that employing Dorion leads to more dumb expensive moves that cost him more in the long run.

And let's be real guys, Giroux isn't coming here, why would he? I think it was Wallace (admittedly is always negative about the Sens but has a point here) who said that he lives here in the summer, he understands what is going on with the team better than other FAs, why the heck would he sign up for that when he has options. Maybe if we're lucky and we've rebuilt our image by then, he'll play for the Sens when those options start to run out.

Comes from a Philly reporter

 

[Xspyrit]

I don't think it would be justified, because I agree with what you've said here, but I expect it if it ever turns out. I'm sure both him and Melnyk have been hoping they get the last laugh after all the backlash.

If it would have been a quick turnaround/rebuild sort of like the Ducks are doing right now, it would have been remarkable but now it's getting kinda embarassing. I mean look at it this way.

When the season went to hell in 2017-18, this is what we had (not listing all prospects) :

Thomas Chabot (21)
Drake Batherson (19)
Alex Formenton (18)
Colin White (21)
Logan Brown (19)
Nick Paul (22)
Chris Driedger (23)
Christian Wolanin (22)
Maxime Lajoie (20)

Then we had these guys that we could decide to trade (only listing the most valuable) :

Cody Ceci (24)
Jean-Gabriel Pageau (25)
Ryan Dzingel (25)
Mark Stone (25)
Matt Duchene (27)
Erik Karlsson (27)
Mike Hoffman (28)
Derick Brassard (30)

And we started drafting high that year (2018 draft). This below is what we could have right now IF Dorion stopped doing anything after the 2020 draft (but priorly extended DeMelo and Namestnikov instead of trading them for a 3rd + 4th)

Ottawa Senators Trade History - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson (we know what these guys can do)
Stutzle - L. Brown - Duclair (crazy amount of skill and speed on the wings)
Paul - White - C. Brown (3rd line but get more TOI at EV/PK)
Formenton - Namestnikov - Balcers (too good for the 4th but since there is always injuries)
Kelly

Chabot - Zub (beautiful pairing to watch)
Brannstrom - DeMelo (DeMelo would help Brannstrom settle down)
Wolanin - Zaitsev (not a great pairing, would have to shelter them)
Lajoie

Driedger
Gustavsson


In development/incoming : Jake Sanderson, Shane Pinto, Jacob Bernard-Docker, Mads Sogaard, Ridly Greig, Lassi Thomson, Egor Sokolov, Roby Jarventie, Angus Crookshank, Tyler Kleven, Vitali Abramov, Maxence Guénette, Leevi Merilainen, Philippe Daoust + 2021 draft!


The defense is not great by any means but probably better than the current one. Some major help would be on the way (like now) with Sanderson, Thomson and JBD. I definitely would take that forward group over the one we have right now. Goaltending harder to assess because Driedger was let go in 2018 before he "broke out" so we might have still needed a stop gap goalie to not leave Gustavsson with the whole burden

Dorion really didn't need to do much, maybe try to get 2 solid stop gap vets (1 forward, 1 D-man)

So what the hell happened since that 2020 draft? Things were looking very good but Dorion has massively screwed it up ever since.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Comes from a Philly reporter

Dorion should be all over this if true. Having Giroux here for 4-ish years as the team grows would be huge, not to mention the boost in ticket sales it would generate.

Probably a pipe dream though, as Dorion is not smart enough to pull this off, and Melnyk would probably balk at the price tag.

 

[Tap on the Ankle]

Disagree. Dorion has to work within the confines of EM’s rules, but it doesn’t mean he has to suck so bad

Yeah he's terrible but I'm confident that whoever replaces him is just going to be marginally better at best and nowhere near enough to turn the bus around. This is a budget management team and it will get budget results.

 

[Upgrayedd]

I would say they are plants but there are still a minority but fair number of them that unapologetically defend every move. Takes all kinds I guess.

Some could be for sure, I have a die hard friend who almost solely blames the fans for most of what's gone on and I dont believe he is under employment with the Sens, its such a bizarre take I can't personally wrap my head around it to be honest.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Yeah he's terrible but I'm confident that whoever replaces him is just going to be marginally better at best and nowhere near enough to turn the bus around. This is a budget management team and it will get budget results.

A budget team needs someone to make good decisions with the $ available.

 

[Tap on the Ankle]

A budget team needs someone to make good decisions with the $ available.

It could happen but I wouldn't count on it. Billy Bean level talent is rare and it wouldn't take long for a such a talented GM that was hugely successful on a small budget here to start pricing himself out of this market.

At some point this team will have to be run like a normal NHL team if it wants to be successful.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Comes from a Philly reporter

Date: OCT 15.

If we finish bottom 5, slim chance he comes here. Why come to a bottom 5 team to end your career? Only way I see him coming is if we make a couple other serious moves(top 4 D and another offensive threat).

I hate how pessimistic Dorion has made me.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Thinking man's play by Zaitsev with a penalty call coming

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

On the PP .. we out man them... win the puck battles.. they send 2 in we should send 3 in come out with the puck so you don't have to bring it all the way back in

 

[L'Aveuglette]

On the PP .. we out man them... win the puck battles.. they send 2 in we should send 3 in come out with the puck so you don't have to bring it all the way back in

Wrong thread bud.

 

[swiftwin]

The little birdies chirping about big changes coming are getting louder. Started around the time the Tkachuk family agreed to commit long term in Ottawa.

Dorion is a dead man walking at this point.

So around the time Dorion signed his extension?

 

[branch]

So around the time Dorion signed his extension?

Still fixated on this tenuous argument eh

 

[swiftwin]

delete wrong thread