Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part VIII

[Sens Vader]

Other than Murray it does not matter the team tried to tank they wanted to draft high. They have had 3 drafts since they decided to rebuild and the first draft Colorado had the pick.
Anyone who thinks a team should be good while trying to tank is mistaken. Random contracts to fill out the roster during the sucky times are not anything to worry about.
“Why are we not loaded with good players while we are trying to finish last?”
Is it really that hard to figure out

Except they aren't filling out the roster when they are not good enough to make the roster. Is that hard for you to understand? Even short term guys hurt, a guy like Stepan lost us a 2nd round pick in a rebuild

10 million dollars in healthy scratched is inexcusable. Get over it

 

[SENSational]

sens gotta clean that whole management team out. Bring in a vet president and GM combo like what MTL and Van are doing

Eugene is broke. Why do you think he keeps Dorion?

 

[supsens]

Except they aren't filling out the roster when they are not good enough to make the roster. Is that hard for you to understand? Even short term guys hurt, a guy like Stepan lost us a 2nd round pick in a rebuild

10 million dollars in healthy scratched is inexcusable. Get over it

He was a big cap hit small money player it looked good reporting “the Sens are starting to spend” that’s why they spent a second.
I don’t care who they scratch I wanna see a top 3 pick. And like I said other then Murray where at the time I thought it might cost Dorion his job the rest are fine and don’t mean jack shit.
They are developing Jimmy Norris pinto Sanderson JBT Thompson over the next two years who they pay or scratch this year or next year means nothing. They are not going to win with random fillers they need a long term core that fits in the age group.
The garbage players gone in a year or two are nothings

 

[supsens]

Proudest Day

Not hard to think pretty much anyone could do better.
What a shame to have this guy running the show here.
Extremely discouraging.
Drink

random fillers to meet cap floor obligations and ice enough players while trying to land the first pick in the draft.

 

[PlayOn]

He was a big cap hit small money player it looked good reporting “the Sens are starting to spend” that’s why they spent a second.
I don’t care who they scratch I wanna see a top 3 pick. And like I said other then Murray where at the time I thought it might cost Dorion his job the rest are fine and don’t mean jack shit.
They are developing Jimmy Norris pinto Sanderson JBT Thompson over the next two years who they pay or scratch this year or next year means nothing. They are not going to win with random fillers they need a long term core that fits in the age group.
The garbage players gone in a year or two are nothings

The risk is moreso that you stall the rebuild because you are completely dependent on everyone figuring things out sooner rather than later which is not always the case.

What happens next year if Sanderson doesn’t immediately impress, and Timmy doesn’t break out? Now you have a bad team yet again. I agree that most of these contracts mean nothing long-term, but at some point you have to add a player or two that can actually help move things along.

 

[Ice-Tray]

The risk is moreso that you stall the rebuild because you are completely dependent on everyone figuring things out sooner rather than later which is not always the case.

What happens next year if Sanderson doesn’t immediately impress, and Timmy doesn’t break out? Now you have a bad team yet again. I agree that most of these contracts mean nothing long-term, but at some point you have to add a player or two that can actually help move things along.

This just wasn’t the year for any big moves at all.

We lost two centres, and Jimmy got to show his mettle in the middle.

We lost Bran and MDZ wasn’t great, and was even worse online, but Lassi got a good look in the top 4.

This was never going to be the year for the big hole filling UFAs or trades because we don’t know where the holes actually are.

Now we know that we don’t actually need a centre. We don’t. We have Norris and Jimmy in the top 6 and maybe pinto has to be moved to the wing because he’s too good for the 3rd line, but we’ll see. Maybe he starts there pushing White to the 4th line. Good.

So we need a winger now. A guy that can bring all the wonderful things we need but not at centre, at wing, to play with Stu.

We couldn’t sell playoffs even as a maybe this year to UFAs and guys with a year left on a trade. But next year we can. We can expect to be a bubble team, and push that to sign guys to fill a top six winger roll (Giroux).

On the back end we can use an experienced defender, but it can’t be a guy who expects heavy deployment on the left side because it’s not likely to happen, even if Sanderson comes in less than scorching, he’s not going to stay long on a third pairing. So RD to play with either Chabot or Sanderson. Problem is we have Zaitsev and Thompson who will likely be ready for the jump.

Hard decisions on the back end, and we’ll know more by the end of the season once we have 12 games of Sanderson. Giroux is a must… He is about as perfect as Gary f***ing Roberts for what we need. So get it f***ing done this time.

Friday night rant.

 

[supsens]

The risk is moreso that you stall the rebuild because you are completely dependent on everyone figuring things out sooner rather than later which is not always the case.

What happens next year if Sanderson doesn’t immediately impress, and Timmy doesn’t break out? Now you have a bad team yet again. I agree that most of these contracts mean nothing long-term, but at some point you have to add a player or two that can actually help move things along.

Yes I don't expect a good team next year. That could change depending how the rest of this year goes. The year of lost Pinto development sucks and I won't judge them based of the injury Covid start.
If the top line keeps producing like that they will finaly have an actual top line. They have not had that since the pizza days.
Find one more top 6 for Jimmy hope Pinto is that guy and see if the prospects can fill the right side D issues, with Zub in place they are seriously close to being legit.

 

[PlayOn]

Yes I don't expect a good team next year. That could change depending how the rest of this year goes. The year of lost Pinto development sucks and I won't judge them based of the injury Covid start.
If the top line keeps producing like that they will finaly have an actual top line. They have not had that since the pizza days.
Find one more top 6 for Jimmy hope Pinto is that guy and see if the prospects can fill the right side D issues, with Zub in place they are seriously close to being legit.

It really is a problem if we don’t take a big step next year. The kids need help at some point, and it’s pretty clear we have now gotten to that stage.

This just wasn’t the year for any big moves at all.

We lost two centres, and Jimmy got to show his mettle in the middle.

We lost Bran and MDZ wasn’t great, and was even worse online, but Lassi got a good look in the top 4.

This was never going to be the year for the big hole filling UFAs or trades because we don’t know where the holes actually are.

Now we know that we don’t actually need a centre. We don’t. We have Norris and Jimmy in the top 6 and maybe pinto has to be moved to the wing because he’s too good for the 3rd line, but we’ll see. Maybe he starts there pushing White to the 4th line. Good.

So we need a winger now. A guy that can bring all the wonderful things we need but not at centre, at wing, to play with Stu.

We couldn’t sell playoffs even as a maybe this year to UFAs and guys with a year left on a trade. But next year we can. We can expect to be a bubble team, and push that to sign guys to fill a top six winger roll (Giroux).

On the back end we can use an experienced defender, but it can’t be a guy who expects heavy deployment on the left side because it’s not likely to happen, even if Sanderson comes in less than scorching, he’s not going to stay long on a third pairing. So RD to play with either Chabot or Sanderson. Problem is we have Zaitsev and Thompson who will likely be ready for the jump.

Hard decisions on the back end, and we’ll know more by the end of the season once we have 12 games of Sanderson. Giroux is a must… He is about as perfect as Gary f***ing Roberts for what we need. So get it f***ing done this time.

Friday night rant.

I don’t really disagree, although I think a top 4 dman should have been acquired at some point along the way since we started the rebuild in addition to Zub.

But yeah, if we add Giroux this off-season, no complaints here. I’ve said before I am willing to see how things play out this summer as I think this is the time to upgrade the team. But Dorion has a tough summer ahead, I think it’s sort of make or break now.

 

[Ice-Tray]

It really is a problem if we don’t take a big step next year. The kids need help at some point, and it’s pretty clear we have now gotten to that stage.



I don’t really disagree, although I think a top 4 dman should have been acquired at some point along the way since we started the rebuild in addition to Zub.

But yeah, if we add Giroux this off-season, no complaints here. I’ve said before I am willing to see how things play out this summer as I think this is the time to upgrade the team. But Dorion has a tough summer ahead, I think it’s sort of make or break now.

I would have liked a top 4 RD this year too, but I do understand that there may have been issues in acquiring one.

The placeholders suck, that’s been a legit source of criticism, but I think that the team really should progress at the speed that the core develops. No draft bumps from placeholders, but a slow build where we get the picks we deserve.

The GM’s tenure will be measured by the successes and failings of the core team he assembles, not the comings and goings of the placeholders during the rebuild. Go back and look at any GM’s minor moves, few move the needle.

I’m less worried that we didn’t foresee Pinto and White being out all season, than I am at the idea that if we had grabbed a guy like Henrique, for what he would have cost us, would Jimmy have gotten his move to centre. Would we have lost Grieg or someone else of value?

We are in the seasons of mistakes and development, this is the time right now for trial and error, and lots of error. In two years from now personnel mistakes will not be nearly as acceptable.

For me, my line is this core getting to its peak, and our GM fails to get what we need to put us over the top. I know it sucks to hear, but Dorion has the balls to gamble to make the trade we need, that neither Muckler, nor Murray had.

If everyone in here gets their way and buddy gets fired, I just hope the next guy has the balls to do that too.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

This next off-season is the biggest one in Sens history.

We need another GM to help us through it.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

The excuses that continue to be made for a team that makes terrible move after terrible move is ridiculous. We need a change and some just continue to give this management team a pass. It's unbelievable.

 

[Yak]

Their was no reason for us to think we were going to be competing for a playoff spot this season or not be bottom dwellers.

This was full on rebuild that is rarely done in the NHL and takes serious time 5-7 years to get it right and be playoff bound and successful.

These expectations on these prospects are just not fair. This is on Dorion and Melynk for trying to sell tickets but realistically this was going to be much longer then the bill of goods they tried to sell and then covid which no one could predict.

EM and Dorion never done a rebuild and he'll they have a hard time running the team never mind the rebuild.

Patience is needed for this team!

Heck we will be lucky if some of our core is not ready to leave by the team we are pushing for a deep run in the SCF.

Dorion is trying make sure to get people excited but this team has 1 line and 1 /1/2
Defense lines built. Rebuild over, Hell no. The core, well it won't be here for a few years. Don't drink the Dorion juice, use your own head.

Once all the core pieces are in place and we have more good prospects in place then we are in a very good place.

Dorion will not be the GM by the time we are ready to compete, his days are numbered. Any GM doing a full rebuild will end up getting the axe. Heck at the rate they are going the owner may not even be alive or here by time we are ready.

The one thing I do know is this rebuild was tearing the house down to the studs like no other team has done. Their is no blueprint and or other successful model to follow. The plan is flawed and can never be carried out without issues.

We have some great players and can only hope they over achieve some seasons like they did last year to give us some hope!

All we can do is keep the current regime accountable for their actions and enjoy the exciting young players we have in the system.

 

[Loach]

This just wasn’t the year for any big moves at all.

We lost two centres, and Jimmy got to show his mettle in the middle.

We lost Bran and MDZ wasn’t great, and was even worse online, but Lassi got a good look in the top 4.

This was never going to be the year for the big hole filling UFAs or trades because we don’t know where the holes actually are.

Now we know that we don’t actually need a centre. We don’t. We have Norris and Jimmy in the top 6 and maybe pinto has to be moved to the wing because he’s too good for the 3rd line, but we’ll see. Maybe he starts there pushing White to the 4th line. Good.

So we need a winger now. A guy that can bring all the wonderful things we need but not at centre, at wing, to play with Stu.

We couldn’t sell playoffs even as a maybe this year to UFAs and guys with a year left on a trade. But next year we can. We can expect to be a bubble team, and push that to sign guys to fill a top six winger roll (Giroux).

On the back end we can use an experienced defender, but it can’t be a guy who expects heavy deployment on the left side because it’s not likely to happen, even if Sanderson comes in less than scorching, he’s not going to stay long on a third pairing. So RD to play with either Chabot or Sanderson. Problem is we have Zaitsev and Thompson who will likely be ready for the jump.

Hard decisions on the back end, and we’ll know more by the end of the season once we have 12 games of Sanderson. Giroux is a must… He is about as perfect as Gary f***ing Roberts for what we need. So get it f***ing done this time.

Friday night rant.

Dorion

 

[Big Muddy]

I'm guessing Melnyk is the one making these moves. Murray getting waived when Forsberg hasn't clearly been better? MDZ getting waived when Mete and Heatherington clearly haven't been better? IMO, Melnyk is having a temper tantrum and forcing these moves.

So, now a shift to blaming Melnyk? LOL.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

I'm guessing Melnyk is the one making these moves. Murray getting waived when Forsberg hasn't clearly been better? MDZ getting waived when Mete and Heatherington clearly haven't been better? IMO, Melnyk is having a temper tantrum and forcing these moves.

You don't hold Dorion accountable for anything do you.

"Everything in the hockey department goes through me, not Mr. Melnyk"

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Eugene is broke. Why do you think he keeps Dorion?

He's not broke.

He allowed his GM to spend 8.5 million dollars for 2 AHL players.

That's baller

 

[PlayOn]

I would have liked a top 4 RD this year too, but I do understand that there may have been issues in acquiring one.

The placeholders suck, that’s been a legit source of criticism, but I think that the team really should progress at the speed that the core develops. No draft bumps from placeholders, but a slow build where we get the picks we deserve.

The GM’s tenure will be measured by the successes and failings of the core team he assembles, not the comings and goings of the placeholders during the rebuild. Go back and look at any GM’s minor moves, few move the needle.

I’m less worried that we didn’t foresee Pinto and White being out all season, than I am at the idea that if we had grabbed a guy like Henrique, for what he would have cost us, would Jimmy have gotten his move to centre. Would we have lost Grieg or someone else of value?

We are in the seasons of mistakes and development, this is the time right now for trial and error, and lots of error. In two years from now personnel mistakes will not be nearly as acceptable.

For me, my line is this core getting to its peak, and our GM fails to get what we need to put us over the top. I know it sucks to hear, but Dorion has the balls to gamble to make the trade we need, that neither Muckler, nor Murray had.

If everyone in here gets their way and buddy gets fired, I just hope the next guy has the balls to do that too.

That’s why I said add a top 4D since the rebuild began. He’s had four years to do, it’s been a need every single year.

The successes and failings of the team he assembles will come down, in part, to what the core is surrounded with. There’s a degree in which you rely on the development of prospects but that doesn’t mean you can’t move things along quicker. I’d argue that part of what will make this successful or not is capitalizing on things like Batherson’s current contract, having lots of prospects coming in on ELCs down the road, competing during Chabot’s prime which he appears to have entered etc. You wait another three years you are creating a smaller window for yourself and then a more difficult situation to ultimately win.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

On the back end we can use an experienced defender, but it can’t be a guy who expects heavy deployment on the left side because it’s not likely to happen, even if Sanderson comes in less than scorching, he’s not going to stay long on a third pairing. So RD to play with either Chabot or Sanderson. Problem is we have Zaitsev and Thompson who will likely be ready for the jump.

Hard decisions on the back end, and we’ll know more by the end of the season once we have 12 games of Sanderson. Giroux is a must… He is about as perfect as Gary f***ing Roberts for what we need. So get it f***ing done this time.

Friday night rant.

If everyone in here gets their way and buddy gets fired, I just hope the next guy has the balls to do that too.

Glad you finally see the importance of bringing in 2 legit assets(top 6 and top 4) at minimum.

The trajectory of the rebuild will depend on it.

 

[HSF]

The excuses that continue to be made for a team that makes terrible move after terrible move is ridiculous. We need a change and some just continue to give this management team a pass. It's unbelievable.

Pretty wild some of the excuses being throw around here

‘Bran got injured’

bruh the team didn’t even consider bran a roster player

 

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Oh man a ton of reporters are about to get buried

 

[Wondercarrot]

Well, how about that, an investigative media story into the Sens. Who would have guessed.

 

[Tap on the Ankle]

I’m all for a GM change too but it’s just pointless to care about until the team has a new owner. Nothing will fundamentally change.

 

[branch]

I’m all for a GM change too but it’s just pointless to care about until the team has a new owner. Nothing will fundamentally change.

Disagree. Dorion has to work within the confines of EM’s rules, but it doesn’t mean he has to suck so bad

 

[Billy Bridges]

Well, how about that, an investigative media story into the Sens. Who would have guessed.

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The little birdies chirping about big changes coming are getting louder. Started around the time the Tkachuk family agreed to commit long term in Ottawa.

Dorion is a dead man walking at this point.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

The little birdies chirping about big changes coming are getting louder. Started around the time the Tkachuk family agreed to commit long term in Ottawa.

Dorion is a dead man walking at this point.

Best thing I've read on here in a long time.