Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part IX [Mod Warning in post 1)

[Puikiou]

The PP is top 3 in the league yet you still find a way to complain about it, Bravo...

Right... And the PP hasn't looked/performed as good or better the few times Giroux has been on it? Would it suddenly drop to 30th in the league if things are mixed up from time to time by swapping in a near HOF player for inconsistent players?

In a game like yesterday's where Batherson and especially Chabot didn't have it, a competent coaching staff with their finger on the pulse of the team/game would have called a timeout or made a change. Both to try to salvage the game and to send a message. Accountability matters in any work place, if success is of any concern.

 

[Micklebot]

Right... And the PP hasn't looked/performed as good or better the few times Giroux has been on it? Would it suddenly drop to 30th in the league if things are mixed up from time to time by swapping in a near HOF player for inconsistent players?

In a game like yesterday's where Batherson and especially Chabot didn't have it, a competent coaching staff with their finger on the pulse of the team/game would have called a timeout or made a change. Both to try to salvage the game and to send a message. Accountability matters in any work place, if success is of any concern.

It's easy to say change the pp after the fact, reality is they spend a lot of time building chemistry in practice to get those top three league wide results and throwing it through the blender mid game isn't really a recipe for success. The pp is among the best in the league, in part because we've been pretty consistent in who we play together, guys intuitively know where everyone is going to be.

Lots to complain about with this team, you've singled out the one aspect that's the envy of 29 other teams, once again, Bravo.

 

[Puikiou]

It's easy to say change the pp after the fact, reality is they spend a lot of time building chemistry in practice to get those top three league wide results and throwing it through the blender mid game isn't really a recipe for success. The pp is among the best in the league, in part because we've been pretty consistent in who we play together, guys intuitively know where everyone is going to be.

Lots to complain about with this team, you've singled out the one aspect that's the envy of 29 other teams, once again, Bravo.

Again, PP1 has looked and performed just as good, if not better, with Giroux on it.

He's arguably a better player than anyone not named Stützle/Tkachuk up front. PP1 won't fall off the face of the earth if he's on it. If you're looking at ways to improve as an organization and send the right message, it won't kill to swap out Chabot/Batherson for Giroux in games (the majority this year) where the formers don't feel like pulling their heads out of their ass*s.

 

[Micklebot]

Again, PP1 has looked and performed just as good, if not better, with Giroux on it.

He's arguably a better player than anyone not named Stützle/Tkachuk up front. PP1 won't fall off the face of the earth if he's on it. If you're looking at ways to improve as an organization and send the right message, it won't kill to swap out Chabot/Batherson for Giroux in games (the majority this year) where the formers don't feel like pulling their heads out of their ass*s.

You want to change the one thing on this team that is elite on the hunch that it will just click, because your claim that it has looked and performed just as good with Giroux on it isn't actually supported by the facts since Giroux has only taken Baths spot for about 4 mins all season with zero goals.

Could the PP work well with Giroux in Baths place, sure, but why are we risking it not clicking, potentially taking away from the efficiency of the second unit

 

[BankStreetParade]

1. Batherson/Chabot stapled to PP1 game in and game out despite their general f*ckery this year. All the while the 3rd leading scorer constantly sits out of PP1 (coaching/accountability issue).

2. Terrible asset(s) management/pro-scouting strikes again with the trading of Filip Gustavsson. Pretty obvious from the get go that he was the most technically sound goaltender in the system. He was also the most consistent goalie in the organization health/performance wise. Always ready when called on, despite being put in some of the terrible spots in Belleville/Ottawa and standing being so truly schocking bluelines.



3. Missing Formenton. If he's not convicted of a crime, he should come back home. Team complexion completely changes with him in the lineup, speed, goalscoring and feistiness wise.



4. Dorion/Murray era management is still allergic to executing and ACTUALLY bringing in legit top 4Ds. Always finding excuses as to why they were unable to acquire them while teams around them poach them relatively cheap. Always happy to pay and overpay, assets and contracts wise, for has-been goalscoring forwards though! Zub (free signing), Phaneuf (debatable) and Methot were the only top 4Ds brought in over a decade+.

What a long post to be so wrong from the beginning.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Next level genius

 

[boxbox]

Right... And the PP hasn't looked/performed as good or better the few times Giroux has been on it? Would it suddenly drop to 30th in the league if things are mixed up from time to time by swapping in a near HOF player for inconsistent players?

In a game like yesterday's where Batherson and especially Chabot didn't have it, a competent coaching staff with their finger on the pulse of the team/game would have called a timeout or made a change. Both to try to salvage the game and to send a message. Accountability matters in any work place, if success is of any concern.

If someone does not know how to swim there are two ways to teach them.

The first is the slow and patient way. There you never leave the learners proximity, you provide all the necessary accessories and tools to make the learning process feel safe and enjoyable.

The second one is much faster, requires less effort from the teacher and other then a body of water requires nothing else. However it comes with a higher level of risk. Here you basically take the individual eager to learn for a nice walk by the water and when they least expect it just throw them into it and observe. Pay close attention to the progress and be alert because if no progress is made get the learner out of water. Its pretty crazy what human beings are capable of when our survival instinct kicks inn.

What I am trying to say is that the coach is the teacher and those boys are still learning. How he chooses to manage the game and coach the team is up to him because he is an NHL COACH and most likely knows more about the game than any of us. NHL is a result driven league and as of late the results from the Sens have been among the best in the league.

I agree that accountability is important but how you apply lessons to teach it is a totally different ball game today then it was 5 years ago. Society as a whole is far more sensitive today and you have to be very careful with what you say, how you say it and to whom. Who is not to say that maybe he felt there was no need to do what you re suggesting and keeping them playing and sucking was the lesson and punishment in its self ? I mean they put in a solid outing the following game.

 

[boxbox]

The PP is top 3 in the league yet you still find a way to complain about it, Bravo...

Literally the Sens have to go 82-0 , for some to deem them a success. Team is 7-1-2 in the last 10 ....5 points out from a playoff spot with games in hand over some team ahead

 

[JD1]

How he chooses to manage the game and coach the team is up to him because he is an NHL COACH and most likely knows more about the game than any of us.

You're pretty new here. Be advised that thems fighting words to a lot of the natives.

 

[boxbox]

You're pretty new here. Be advised that thems fighting words to a lot of the natives.

Not as new as you might think. Long before my first post I was quietly creeping in the shadows ,observing and learning.

 

[JD1]

Not as new as you might think. Long before my first post I was quietly creeping in the shadows ,observing and learning.

Well you appear not to have learned that the average HF Sens poster could coach in the NHL

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Literally the Sens have to go 82-0 , for some to deem them a success. Team is 7-1-2 in the last 10 ....5 points out from a playoff spot with games in hand over some team ahead

I'll be honest, I have felt that this season has been a major disappointment but you are correct that things aren't that bad despite no Norris and that horrible November.

I remain skeptical that DJ can take us next level but if they can keep up this level of play it will be hard to say the season was a bust. They might end up barely missing the playoffs and that is what most of us expected.

It has been a rollercoaster, that is for sure.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

The ball is definitely in their court with all those games in hand.

I stopped standings watching a while back once we were like 11 points out with no games in hand. What the heck happened to the teams above us?

 

[Big Muddy]

The ball is definitely in their court with all those games in hand.

I stopped standings watching a while back once we were like 11 points out with no games in hand. What the heck happened to the teams above us?

Actually at least some of the teams above us have been winning a lot recently (in February) as well - like Florida & Detroit (& Buffalo as well) for example. Washington is dealing with a lot of injuries, so they've slipped recently. The gap has tightened for sure though.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Actually at least some of the teams above us have been winning a lot recently (in February) as well - like Florida & Detroit (& Buffalo as well) for example. Washington is dealing with a lot of injuries, so they've slipped recently. The gap has tightened for sure though.

Makes sense then. The teams in those wild card spots don't seem to have been winning a lot while the teams between us have still been okay, hence being much closer to a WC spot, but still lots of competition in between.

 

[Cosmix]

It's easy to say change the pp after the fact, reality is they spend a lot of time building chemistry in practice to get those top three league wide results and throwing it through the blender mid game isn't really a recipe for success. The pp is among the best in the league, in part because we've been pretty consistent in who we play together, guys intuitively know where everyone is going to be.

Lots to complain about with this team, you've singled out the one aspect that's the envy of 29 other teams, once again, Bravo.

The PP is better now than it has been in years. There is much more player movement and attacking the net. For years the PP has been about passing the puck back and forth with too little movement and attack. I am happy with the new approach.

Well you appear not to have learned that the average HF Sens poster could coach in the NHL

It's true!

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Effective staffing

 

[boxbox]

I'll be honest, I have felt that this season has been a major disappointment but you are correct that things aren't that bad despite no Norris and that horrible November.

I remain skeptical that DJ can take us next level but if they can keep up this level of play it will be hard to say the season was a bust. They might end up barely missing the playoffs and that is what most of us expected.

It has been a rollercoaster, that is for sure.

Exactly, the Sens are literally what most pre season predictions assumed what they would be. I just don't understand out what some people have such high expectations ? The team appears to have improved from last year and not by like a small margin. They do some things very well and some things need improvement. That is for coaching and management to evaluate and make the necessary moves to improve those areas. The team has its core locked up so now its more about making at all instead of looking for guys around which the team will be build around. Not often in hockey you see a team like NJ go from crap to one of the better teams in one off season. Like you said that November might come back to haunt them since even a couple more wins would have them one foot inn. I am all for sports fans to be passionate, and I understand some feel let down by the team and management based on the past few seasons but then again the team really owes the fans nothing if they only show up when then grass gets greener. I am not saying thats everyone here, but sometimes it does feel like the expectations are so unrealistic. Our PP sucks but its ranked 3rd in the league, our coach can't coach but not a single person outside of here has ever mentioned the coaching is a problem or the players even in the slightesh appear to not want to play for him...I mean team is young, new arena on the way it seems, new ownership on the way .... I feel its a good time to be a sens fan. Why do you think Ryan R wants inn ? He has enough money to literally not care or waste his time on anything, let alone a boring NHL franchise that apparently sucks. The potential is for sure a big part of it and maybe trying to double that gin money.

 

[boxbox]

The ball is definitely in their court with all those games in hand.

I stopped standings watching a while back once we were like 11 points out with no games in hand. What the heck happened to the teams above us?

at some point over the length of the season every team will go through a bad stretch...all it takes is hitting the post in a few games all 1 goal loses and the team is on a 3 game losing streak, sometimes teams recover quickly and sometimes they don't ... happens far too often where a team that was in a good position in the standing just tumble down...Sens went through it early in the season and ended up pulling through, the effects of it still linger and in the end it might be why they won't make the playoffs, either way it goes it made the team closer and showed character . maybe one day they willl make a movie about it with Ryan R as DJ S

 

[GCK]

With the news coming out of Pittsburgh that Hextall and Sullivan are not on the same page I’m hoping Sullivan is available when our next GM is looking for a new coach.

 

[Very Stable Genius]

With the news coming out of Pittsburgh that Hextall and Sullivan are not on the same page I’m hoping Sullivan is available when our next GM is looking for a new coach.

Hextall is a terrible GM.

 

[Golden_Jet]

With the news coming out of Pittsburgh that Hextall and Sullivan are not on the same page I’m hoping Sullivan is available when our next GM is looking for a new coach.

Insider trading said last night Quenneville has been working with NHL diversity and inclusion team, and may be ready for returning to NHL.

 

[Beech]

With the news coming out of Pittsburgh that Hextall and Sullivan are not on the same page I’m hoping Sullivan is available when our next GM is looking for a new coach.

he would have a USA based job ahead of the Sens.

The Metro will have 2-3 spots open, The Atlantic has 2-3. And the West will be wide open. A solid 5-10 US based teams will be making moves this offseason. A Boston Boy will be gold in US markets, Throw in a few "paak the caa" and he will be a gem.

Insider trading said last night Quenneville has been working with NHL diversity and inclusion team, and may be ready for returning to NHL.

he would be perfect and in this city!!!!!

@Micklebot can I continue or is it a deletion and a ban?

 

[JungleBeat]

Dorion is basically a dead man walking with the team for sale. New ownership will most certainly get rid of him. Hopefully he doesn’t do anything stupid from now until then.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Not sure if looking at this picture is depressing or infuriating or both. Anybody pumped when they look at this?