Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part IX [Mod Warning in post 1)

[Agent Zuuuub]

Posters will criticize Dorion for bad moves and praise him for good moves.

Shocking.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Lots of good and bad the last 5 or so years. I fail to see anything worthy of I Told You So type posts. What Dorion did this summer was amazing and what everyone was asking for and more. I would have been happy just dumping Murray and signing Girioux. Melnyk was as bad as many thought, he was as much of a problem as many thought, he was outed for it, and now his exodus has let all the bad disappear in one fell swoop. Obviously the return of alumni players and embracing the community again is at the top of that list. Can't believe how much has changed and most of what Leblanc has to say is geared around making up for a lot of what they hadn't done well up to now. Dorion is getting all the credit, but I think Leblanc has done a bang up job. Even said they'll be getting traction on the foundation soon with the first major event coming up.

Honestly, if the fan base had been quiet and complimentary the last 5 years I'd be a little worried about the lack of fire burning inside. No fan base is happy having to turn off their hobby for half a decade.

Personally I think not being able to stomach a rebuild is a problem. If this one works out we’ll be doing the exact same thing when the window closes. Reboots suck and rarely get the job done.

Most of us didn’t ‘turn off’ Sens hockey for the last 5 years, some of us took it for what it was and tried to enjoy the rebuild.

It wasn’t that hard to be honest.

Anyways,

Posters will criticize Dorion for bad moves and praise him for good moves.

Shocking.

Oversimplification of course. That’s not really what happens at all.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Personally I think not being able to stomach a rebuild is a problem. If this one works out we’ll be doing the exact same thing when the window closes. Reboots suck and rarely get the job done.

Most of us didn’t ‘turn off’ Sens hockey for the last 5 years, some of us took it for what it was and tried to enjoy the rebuild.

It wasn’t that hard to be honest.

Anyways,


Oversimplification of course. That’s not really what happens at all.

Different strokes for different folks.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Lots of good and bad the last 5 or so years. I fail to see anything worthy of I Told You So type posts. What Dorion did this summer was amazing and what everyone was asking for and more. I would have been happy just dumping Murray and signing Girioux. Melnyk was as bad as many thought, he was as much of a problem as many thought, he was outed for it, and now his exodus has let all the bad disappear in one fell swoop. Obviously the return of alumni players and embracing the community again is at the top of that list. Can't believe how much has changed and most of what Leblanc has to say is geared around making up for a lot of what they hadn't done well up to now. Dorion is getting all the credit, but I think Leblanc has done a bang up job. Even said they'll be getting traction on the foundation soon with the first major event coming up.

Honestly, if the fan base had been quiet and complimentary the last 5 years I'd be a little worried about the lack of fire burning inside. No fan base is happy having to turn off their hobby for half a decade.

Luckily for us we stayed near cap floor, so we can spend now.

 

[OD99]

lol, I’m off the rails and have issue, classic. Naw man, just having a little fun with you dudes, and it’s well earned thank you very much. I don’t feel the need to be ‘chill’ on this topic for fragile egos.

It’s all good with you personally, to me, and you’re getting back more here than you deserved because you’ve been more moderate comparatively, but the point stands…. I WAS right, because I counselled patient before freaking out, and posted things that were said by people making the decisions to counter the angry freak out.

The plan wasn’t perfect, but it made sense for this team, and it was explained as we went along, some folks just didn’t want to listen. Being vicious and trying to be the ‘expert’ was more important. Letting it unfold before freaking out was the ‘right’ decision as it typically is in life. Now we all get to enjoy the fruit.

It’s funny that it’s me that’s needs to chill out after 5 years of dudes flipping their lids, and calling out everyone who didn’t tow the line for the mob. Guys were pretty nasty in here, and now want to pretend it never happened. Whatever, we brush a shoulder off and all, but yeah, for some of us bootlicking morons “it ain’t beef, but it ain’t all good”. Some people showed their true colours and that genie doesn’t go back in the bottle.

Paint me however you need brother, I was patient and am enjoying the process, I just think it’s funny watching people doing mental gymnastics to have their cake and eat it too.

OK.

Clearly you really need this so have at.

Whatever makes you feel vindicated from an Internet board - right or wrong.

 

[Ice-Tray]

OK.

Clearly you really need this so have at.

Whatever makes you feel vindicated from an Internet board - right or wrong.

Thanks, I appreciate the gesture.

 

[OD99]

Thanks, I appreciate the gesture.

Any time.

The massive mood swing and anger from the, "happy vibes guy" was quite alarming so hopefully this let's you even things out.

I will have a beer for you at the home opener!

 

[OD99]

If the Sens need toughness Kastelic is the guy. Strong as an ox, huge and willing.

Kelly is a pest, he shouldn’t be enforcing with anyone. If he wants to fight guys Marchand or Gallagher’s size, sure, anyone else he should laugh in their face and try to draw a call.

He got tuned up pretty good by Pezzetta, who is no Ryan Reaves, last year and IIRC was concussed. Don’t need a Tom Kostopoulos.

Coming back to this, Kelly was basically jumped. Pretty cheap.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Any time.

The massive mood swing and anger from the, "happy vibes guy" was quite alarming so hopefully this let's you even things out.

I will have a beer for you at the home opener!

Oh you!

I wouldn’t classify myself as the “happy vibes guy” at all. More like the push back against the ridiculous negative babies guy lol.

Anyways don’t fret, I wasn’t angry, I was arguing a point against the usual HFSens myth-making as usual. You know, the same as I always do.

Thanks for the beer, I’ll do the same for you in Seattle

 

[Senscore]

maybe let's play a few games first

 

[armani]

From Burger King to King of Kings, all hail King Dorion! Charles who?

 

[Crosside]

Pierre start at 39.30 min

 

[Micklebot]

Pierre start at 39.30 min

Might need to provide some coles notes if you're going to post a french interview...

- talked officiating, and what they do if they see a pattern of one guy being less than fair
- building a team, you need goaltending, bottom 6 is important, lost a big piece in c.Brown,
- talked about signing Giroux,
- talked how GM interactions work wrt trades and such, there are cliques, some guys are more formal others talk like buddies on the golf course
- Talked about scouting kids, and about how the game is quicker and less physical than it was 10-15 years ago.

Thats the first 10 mins or so, I got to get to work so someone else can pick up where I left off...

 

[Crosside]

Might need to provide some coles notes if you're going to post a french interview...

- talked officiating, and what they do if they see a pattern of one guy being less than fair
- building a team, you need goaltending, bottom 6 is important, lost a big piece in c.Brown,
- talked about signing Giroux,
- talked how GM interactions work wrt trades and such, there are cliques, some guys are more formal others talk like buddies on the golf course
- Talked about scouting kids, and about how the game is quicker and less physical than it was 10-15 years ago.

Thats the first 10 mins or so, I got to get to work so someone else can pick up where I left off...

I would like but not the best for translate lol

 

[Crosside]

Also talk about this is Brady and Chabot room. Chabot reach him to say to keep Paul. When he trade Paul , he call Chabot first and when he know this was Joseph. He was really happy.
Talk about the role of captaincy and how the decision come from name Tkachuk
He said he have to explain every move to Eugene but never block a move ( I doubt it )
Have a better offer for Brassard but he want Gus
Stone offer was really bad , he take the best one

 

[Big Muddy]

Personally I think not being able to stomach a rebuild is a problem.

I don't think so. That seems pretty over simplified. There was more nuance (& reasons) for some of the things that were said during the rebuild. JMHO.

 

[Tuna99]

Dorion has built the best Center depth and Wing depth this team has ever had.

Hard to compete with the D of Chara, Redden, Phillips, Volchenkov but PD is 1 trade away from having his D in the conversation with the best Sens D of all time.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Dorion has built the best Center depth and Wing depth this team has ever had.

Hard to compete with the D of Chara, Redden, Phillips, Volchenkov but PD is 1 trade away from having his D in the conversation with the best Sens D of all time.

Alfie, Hossa and Havlat on the right side is about as stacked as I've ever seen a right wing. But yeah from top to bottom, this team seems pretty damned deep right now!

 

[bicboi64]

Dorion has built the best Center depth and Wing depth this team has ever had.

Hard to compete with the D of Chara, Redden, Phillips, Volchenkov but PD is 1 trade away from having his D in the conversation with the best Sens D of all time.

While I agree the forward core is deep, our defense is far from deep. Until we have another legitimate top4 RD, we don't even have a competitive blue line, let alone among the best our organization has had.

Aside from Chara, Redden, Phillips, A-train, our current D doesn't even stack up against
-Karlsson, Methot, Phaneuf, Ceci,
-Redden, York, Phillips, Rachunuk
-Kuba, Gonchar, Phillips, rookie Karlsson

 

[Tuna99]

While I agree the forward core is deep, our defense is far from deep. Until we have another legitimate top4 RD, we don't even have a competitive blue line, let alone among the best our organization has had.

Aside from Chara, Redden, Phillips, A-train, our current D doesn't even stack up against
-Karlsson, Methot, Phaneuf, Ceci,
-Redden, York, Phillips, Rachunuk
-Kuba, Gonchar, Phillips, rookie Karlsson

So much of the D’s success in my eyes goes to Jacques Martin - what he did with that D in Pittsburg that won a Cup with basically nobody good on it except for Letang was incredible. They got the puck out of the zone like their life depended on it. And that’s what Ottawa is so bad at, just getting the puck moving up the ice and out of trouble - if this D group with Chabot leading it had Martin I think they’d look much much better then they do

Alfie, Hossa and Havlat on the right side is about as stacked as I've ever seen a right wing. But yeah from top to bottom, this team seems pretty damned deep right now!

To think Alfie and Hossa had HOF careers with Colin White and Radek Bonk as their centers is incredible.

Sens 2022 is going to be the best PP team we’ve ever had. And we don’t even have a great PP QB

 

[Micklebot]

While I agree the forward core is deep, our defense is far from deep. Until we have another legitimate top4 RD, we don't even have a competitive blue line, let alone among the best our organization has had.

Aside from Chara, Redden, Phillips, A-train, our current D doesn't even stack up against
-Karlsson, Methot, Phaneuf, Ceci,
-Redden, York, Phillips, Rachunuk
-Kuba, Gonchar, Phillips, rookie Karlsson

Well, it's hard to say. We don't know how Sanderson will transition yet, if he has a rookie year similar to McAvoy, suddenly the d looks pretty strong imo.

Now, McAvoy played 22 mins a night, had 32 pts in 63 games(a 42 pts pace) and was +20 as a 20 year old. Sanderson had a more impressive college career imo, but we'll have to wait and see how it translates. Even if he doesn't match McAvoy, there's still lots of room for an impressive start to his career.

 

[OD99]

To think Alfie and Hossa had HOF careers with Colin White and Radek Bonk as their centers is incredible.

Hoping this was intentional LOL.

 

[NyQuil]

Hoping this was intentional LOL.

Someone activate the @Sweatred signal.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Also talk about this is Brady and Chabot room. Chabot reach him to say to keep Paul. When he trade Paul , he call Chabot first and when he know this was Joseph. He was really happy.
Talk about the role of captaincy and how the decision come from name Tkachuk
He said he have to explain every move to Eugene but never block a move ( I doubt it )
Have a better offer for Brassard but he want Gus
Stone offer was really bad , he take the best one

That's about the first time I've heard him directly acknowledge how involved Eugene was.

 

[swiftwin]

Posters will criticize Dorion for bad moves and praise him for good moves.

Shocking.

The problem is that some people still perceive some good moves as bad moves.

Everyone was fixated on asset management when the priority was risk management with these hole plug / veteran acquisitions (Gudbranson, Stepan, Hainsey, Ennis, etc).

The priorities in order of importance when acquiring these vets were:

1. Low term (1yr left on contract, maaaybe 2 tops).
2. Good pro in the locker room
3. Not so good that they take development time away from the kids
4. Assets used to acquire said player
5. Lower AAV
6. Good enough to be a depth player

The result of this approach directly led to us having the great summer we just had. We had almost no issues fitting all these new shiny contracts under the cap. We have literally only one "bad" contract (Zaitsev) left on the team.

These moves directly led to the summer of Pierre