Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part IX [Mod Warning in post 1)

[Sweatred]

Tha

Debrinсat 9M next season. He is out of the team's control. We won't be able to sign him if we sign Stutzle. I believe that Sanderson will be better than Chabot, but we will not be able to sign him for a long time, because most of the money will go to Chabot. Norris and Pinto, count for yourself, but at Norris' 8M, I don't know where to find the money for such a good center as Pinto. We will have 1-2 seasons with all these players. Next you have to choose. And I guess a lot of people won't like the choice.

Thats why we should be ready to trade Chabot (in a few years) if our young d emerge.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Analyzing the best power-play quarterbacks in the NHL

There are more than a few ways to determine who the best power-play quarterback is among defencemen. Shayna Goldman crunched the numbers to tell us who are elite.

www.sportsnet.ca

Its too simple to suggest handedness is playing a significant role for the top PP QBs.

Hughes, the most frequent passer on the advantage among blue-liners, also leads in his rate of setups to the slot, with 31.9 per 60. Thomas Chabot in Ottawa follows, with Fox rounding out the top-three of defencemen who can thread their teammates. Makar, Pittsburgh's Kris Letang and St. Louis' Torey Krug can be counted on to connect with their teammates in that area of the ice as well.

It would be cool if all these micro stats were ga.

 

[Bileur]

Because I don't think the current powerplay is well suited to a left hand (muffin) shot on 1st pp.

Hes got about 3 pp goals in his life so other teams don't respect his shot, and his pass across his body to Norris doesn't lead to many goals. These factors mean teams can cheat away from him. A higher volume PP QB would stretch the defenders' box and create more opportunities.

The weakest point in the team's pp is it lacks of a shot pass threat from the top. Everything else is is excellent, so it's easy to pick the spot to nit pick. Chabot's skillset and or handedness are the weak point.

Sens had 35 shots total from defensemen on their PP last season.

16 individual defensemen around the league had more PP shots last season than the Sens D combined.

Chabot had 34 PP shots in his last season under Boucher.

If the Sens want a « higher volume » PP QB they need to set up the PP for the point shot. That’s just now how DJ runs his PP.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

The Summer of Pierre continues

 

[Micklebot]

Totally disagree. Personally I think a QB is a very important aspect of a PP. Chabot is not a good one

Who was our QB back in the pizza line days? We ran the pp off the half wall, not through Redden. It wasn't Timonen QBing the flyers PP back in 2012, it was Giroux.

Not every pp runs through the D, and that's fine.

 

[Bevans]

Who was our QB back in the pizza line days? We ran the pp off the half wall, not through Redden. It wasn't Timonen QBing the flyers PP back in 2012, it was Giroux.

Not every pp runs through the D, and that's fine.

Alfredsson.

 

[Cosmix]

Will the GM and coaching staff believe in and use their output?

 

[OD99]

Because I don't think the current powerplay is well suited to a left hand (muffin) shot on 1st pp.

So all those goals from Norris on the right side means our PP was not good? Our PP was 20th with lots of time missed by Bath/Norris and Chabot.

Hes got about 3 pp goals in his life so other teams don't respect his shot.

Fair and nothing to argue about. He barely shoots the puck.

and his pass across his body to Norris doesn't lead to many goals.

The pitch and catch they have is to set up the play. The cross ice pass is what really moves a goalie and opens up the net. Middle of the ice to faceoff dot doesn't do much. He won't ever get many primary assists in that set-up.

These factors mean teams can cheat away from him. A higher volume PP QB would stretch the defenders' box and create more opportunities.

The weakest point in the team's pp is it lacks of a shot pass threat from the top. Everything else is is excellent, so it's easy to pick the spot to nit pick. Chabot's skillset and or handedness are the weak point.

So to be clear, it really has nothing to do with which way he shoots.

He doesn't have a hard shot - agreed. He doesn't shoot often - agreed.

Passing to either side of the PP set-up is equal - agreed.

 

[DrEasy]

I think that PP utilization is going to dictate how many goals Norris pops. All last year, you knew it was coming but teams couldn't stop it.

Will that role continue? Will they move pp1 to DeBrincat shooting off the other side? If they do, Norris won't be getting as many.

I think one of DeBrincat or Norris will "underperform" and I put that in quotes because one shoots off the left, the other off the right and the PP has to gear one way or the other. Whichever way it gears, that guy will score, the other guy will "underperform"

It's easier for out LHD to move the puck for Norris's shot than for DeBrincat's shot. Be interesting to see what they do

I highlighted the important part. Norris scored a lot on the PP in part because he has a great shot, but also in part because nobody else could score on the PP until he did (Chucky and Stu trail him by quite the margin, especially when prorated to a full season). Now with D-Cat, we have someone else who could end the PP with a goal, and therefore before a Norris goal (and whether they play on the same PP or not is immaterial to the argument; the only difference would be the assists one would get on the other guy scoring). And of course Norris will have the same effect on him.

This is assuming all else is being equal, and in particular our PP remaining at the same efficiency as last year, but we should expect our PP% moving way up from the middle of the standings to possibly top 5. In which case the "underperformance" of Norris and/or D-Cat might be minimal. Let's hope so!

 

[Bevans]

So all those goals from Norris on the right side means our PP was not good? Our PP was 20th with lots of time missed by Bath/Norris and Chabot.

Fair and nothing to argue about. He barely shoots the puck.

The pitch and catch they have is to set up the play. The cross ice pass is what really moves a goalie and opens up the net. Middle of the ice to faceoff dot doesn't do much. He won't ever get many primary assists in that set-up.

So to be clear, it really has nothing to do with which way he shoots.

He doesn't have a hard shot - agreed. He doesn't shoot often - agreed.

Passing to either side of the PP set-up is equal - agreed.

I think a part of why he wasnt productive was that it didn't work to flow PP from him to Norris, and partly because he has a muffin.

If he suddenly gets a bunch of primary Assists to debrincat i think that would support the theory.

Regardless, for whatever reason, I think he is the weak point of the PP

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

True and Dorion probably is not involved in that decision.

Melnyk would have been involved, though.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Who was our QB back in the pizza line days? We ran the pp off the half wall, not through Redden. It wasn't Timonen QBing the flyers PP back in 2012, it was Giroux.

Not every pp runs through the D, and that's fine.

If it isn't running through the Dman, then I'd really like prefer someone with a cannon at the back, he needs a more threatening shot to give the sniper some more space.

 

[OgieO]

We hired Mark Flood as a scout. Sold maritime connection there with Mann.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Pierre in a chokehold

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I was listening to Sirius NHL Radio this morning and Boomer Gordon was doing a segment called “Rate the GM”. He gave Dorion a “C” grade and had these comments. The DeBrincat trade will be a loss is the player doesn’t re-sign. He felt that that the Norris contract was too high and that Dorion didn’t get enough for Nick Paul or Connor Brown. Other tidbits included that the team looks good on paper but it’s unclear if it will play to potential. He mentioned that the goaltending may not be good enough especially with a weak defense. That’s it in a nutshell… don’t shoot the messenger!

“The team looks good on paper but who knows how it will perform!” The ultimate hedge

Pierre in a chokehold

Dissapointed no Debrincat question

 

[BoardsofCanada]

I know I am in the minority, but I don't think our D is that bad:

Chabot - Zub
Sanderson/Holden - Hamonic
Sand/Holden - Brannstrom
JBD
Lassi

Our upgrades this offseason should compensate for any shortcomings on the blueline. The D group is not elite but I think it's good enough to get to the playoffs.

Adding a big name like Chychrun was always a bit fantasy. Adding more salary on top of what was already added this offseason, wasn't likely.

Looking forward, in order to re-sign Stutz and Debrincat, not to mention Zub and Pinto, we need to dump salary not add it. We dump Zaitzev; distribute the money to new contracts and we go young and cheap with JBD and Lassi.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

I know I am in the minority, but I don't think our D is that bad:

Chabot - Zub
Sanderson/Holden - Hamonic
Sand/Holden - Brannstrom
JBD
Lassi

Our upgrades this offseason should compensate for any shortcomings on the blueline. The D group is not elite but I think it's good enough to get to the playoffs.

Adding a big name like Chychrun was always a bit fantasy. Adding more salary on top of what was already added this offseason, wasn't likely.

Looking forward, in order to re-sign Stutz and Debrincat, not to mention Zub and Pinto, we need to dump salary not add it. We dump Zaitzev; distribute the money to new contracts and we go young and cheap with JBD and Lassi.

The blueline should be improved from last year for sure. The problem I see is that Zaitsev will still be in the lineup. If he plays top 4 minutes I think we are still pretty far from being a truly competitive team.

We have a #1 D in Chabot, a #3 in Zub and nothing else guaranteed in our top 4. Sanderson has a good chance to be that. Brannstrom has showed he could play well in that role (in a small sample size) at times. He might be able to play there with a solid partner. Holden is a good bottom pairing guy and so is Hamonic, although both are at an age where significant decline could happen at any time. Thomson and JBD need to take a big step forward for us to be a solid playoff team in a stacked Atlantic division.

I think we're a bubble team this year, which is great given how the last 5 years have gone. However, I think we're still short a few pieces on the back end.

 

[Cosmix]

I was listening to Sirius NHL Radio this morning and Boomer Gordon was doing a segment called “Rate the GM”. He gave Dorion a “C” grade and had these comments. The DeBrincat trade will be a loss is the player doesn’t re-sign. He felt that that the Norris contract was too high and that Dorion didn’t get enough for Nick Paul or Connor Brown. Other tidbits included that the team looks good on paper but it’s unclear if it will play to potential. He mentioned that the goaltending may not be good enough especially with a weak defense. That’s it in a nutshell… don’t shoot the messenger!

I like Boomer. Find him to be reasonable in his views. Thanks for the summary.

 

[Cosmix]

I think that PP utilization is going to dictate how many goals Norris pops. All last year, you knew it was coming but teams couldn't stop it.

Will that role continue? Will they move pp1 to DeBrincat shooting off the other side? If they do, Norris won't be getting as many.

I think one of DeBrincat or Norris will "underperform" and I put that in quotes because one shoots off the left, the other off the right and the PP has to gear one way or the other. Whichever way it gears, that guy will score, the other guy will "underperform"

It's easier for out LHD to move the puck for Norris's shot than for DeBrincat's shot. Be interesting to see what they do

Generally agree; however, if the other team focuses on Norris at RW, then Debrincat is open at LW & a quick pivot to pass to him can take advantage of the opponent over-playing toward Norris. If the 2 defending forwards cheat toward Debrincat and Norris, there will be more time and space for the D to walk up Main Street for a shot. Add movement of the players and it will create a VG PP.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Hero

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Hero

"We shall high-five on beaches, landing grounds, in fields, in streets and on the hills."

 

[NyQuil]

"We shall high-five on beaches, landing grounds, in fields, in streets and on the hills."

"We will never surrender. We shall be a team."

 

[JD1]

Hero

That's brilliant

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Hero

Known as a brilliant orator.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Known as a brilliant orator.

Say what you want about Dorion but he does have some great lines now and again
"on the 8th day God created Erik Karlsson"
“Molson is a great sponsor of ours” in response to Brady Budweiser sponsorship.