Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part IX [Mod Warning in post 1)

[Loach]

Sure, except you aren't insecure about them liking the bare minimum or not because you have your own plan that you believe in (and you don't do the chuckle).

If I'm a boss, which I am, and 2 staff come in and tell me how they think it should be done, it's not going to move the needle very much because I have the confidence that I know better, that's what I'm paid for.

In that scenario I take solace knowing that they will see the merit in the plan once it comes to fruition and all will be forgotten.

But yes, I agree, it was several things and I'm not discounting that Brady offered up a useful nudge, I just don't believe it played a very big role in Pierre going full Hulk mode on the NHL.

Wow. You are some boss to be so dismissive of your employees. Why are you paying them if they don't know anything and can't contribute? Will your plan get finished if they walk? Are they speaking only for themselves or representing your entire staff? This is the worst take I've seen on here. Lol. Keep 'em coming Boss.

 

[JD1]

Two guys that are under contract for 6 more years? I don't want to downplay the respect PD has for them or anything but if PD had his own plan that he believed in, he would have just smiled and nodded at Brady and Chabot and gone about his business. I have my doubts he went fully nuclear because of what they said.

It's one of 4 things imo:

1 / It was time and all part of the plan
2 / A new business approach
3 / PD was unleashed post EM
4 / All of the above.

Spot on. You don't just rub your hands together and come up with an extra 15 million in payroll because Brady asked nicely.

I doubt it was Eugene's salary either.

For sure the Melnyk meddling is gone and that has to make Dorion's life easier but the budget increase is more attributable to a plan than Brady's ask or Melnyk's death imo.

The thing that bugged me personally was the acquisitions of average players. One of Gudbranson or Brown sure, but both?He never really made any moves that either weren't completely unnecessary like MDZ or a poor read of the market with Murray's extension, the stupid stepan trade. He made bad acquisitions, blame it on the pro scouts to a degree, but come on...

You can't say the shit without the good, Karlssons trade was franchise altering. Zub was great, but i wish he had at least tried to bring in guys that could play competent veteran roles, not the has beens he brought it.

Ya, there's some truth to that. But at the same time, it's kinda like shopping at the Dollar Store. There's an ceiling to the quality you're getting

 

[PlayersLtd]

Wow. You are some boss to be so dismissive of your employees. Why are you paying them if they don't know anything and can't contribute? Will your plan get finished if they walk? Are they speaking only for themselves or representing your entire staff? This is the worst take I've seen on here. Lol. Keep 'em coming Boss.

Yes, I expected someone to misinterpret it that way.

The point is an effective leader has their vision which should be designed to serve the interest of the group and they should be confident enough to not deviate from it based on some pretty basic feedback that likely does not have all the context.

I am not saying you don't listen and act like a d1ck, but as the person who the buck stops with, your vision should be a little more complex. Brady asking for better players is like the office manager saying you need more ink in the printer for the design team. If you have plans of buying a new gold plated laser printer at some point before that big proposal is due, you smile and nod but ultimately stay your course.

Very little chance, imo, that PD did everything he did because of Brady stating the obvious.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Yes, I expected someone to misinterpret it that way.

The point is an effective leader has their vision which should be designed to serve the interest of the group and they should be confident enough to not deviate from it based on some pretty basic feedback that likely does not have all the context.

I am not saying you don't listen and act like a d1ck, but as the person who the buck stops with, your vision should be a little more complex. Brady asking for better players is like the office manager saying you need more ink in the printer for the design team. If you have plans of buying a new gold plated laser printer at some point before that big proposal is due, you smile and nod but ultimately stay your course.

Very little chance, imo, that PD did everything he did because of Brady stating the obvious.

I don't think I implied that it was the driving factor I merely suggested it was a catalyst among a slew of other catalysts.

I'm sure (hope) Dorion learned from past mistakes and is righting the ship per se. His recent good moves do not erase the previous bad ones but it's a step in the right direction.

For the first time in a long time I think the vast majority of fans are genuinely excited about the upcoming season

 

[Loach]

Yes, I expected someone to misinterpret it that way.

The point is an effective leader has their vision which should be designed to serve the interest of the group and they should be confident enough to not deviate from it based on some pretty basic feedback that likely does not have all the context.

I am not saying you don't listen and act like a d1ck, but as the person who the buck stops with, your vision should be a little more complex. Brady asking for better players is like the office manager saying you need more ink in the printer for the design team. If you have plans of buying a new gold plated laser printer at some point before that big proposal is due, you smile and nod but ultimately stay your course.

Very little chance, imo, that PD did everything he did because of Brady stating the obvious.

It seems more like the printer was promised 2 years ago, again last year, so this year Brady said Where's my fckn printer bud?

 

[Ice-Tray]

It seems more like the printer was promised 2 years ago, again last year, so this year Brady said Where's my fckn printer bud?

We weren’t looking to do these moves 2 years ago, or even last year.

Dorion was also the one to share the story about Chabot and Brady, so you know that he’s wanting the public to feed at least some of the good vibes their way.

It was a pretty sweet marketing stunt, even if it does make him seem less in the eyes of some. Anything to build more hype around the players and the team is good at this point.

Pierre looks like a very happy hockey guy, especially now that he’s able to move into the adding phase of the rebuild. Must feel great have people finally saying nice things to him and about him around town.

 

[Loach]

We weren’t looking to do these moves 2 years ago, or even last year.

Dorion was also the one to share the story about Chabot and Brady, so you know that he’s wanting the public to feed at least some of the good vibes their way.

It was a pretty sweet marketing stunt, even if it does make him seem less in the eyes of some. Anything to build more hype around the players and the team is good at this point.

Pierre looks like a very happy hockey guy, especially now that he’s able to move into the adding phase of the rebuild. Must feel great have people finally saying nice things to him and about him around town.

That's a nice story. Thanks.

 

[Alex1234]

The Cat for Matthew straight up
Go for it Pierre

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

 

[armani]

Summer of Pierre has been so good that even Erik Karlsson is rocking GMPD t-shirt.

 

[Samboni]

I was listening to Sirius NHL Radio this morning and Boomer Gordon was doing a segment called “Rate the GM”. He gave Dorion a “C” grade and had these comments. The DeBrincat trade will be a loss is the player doesn’t re-sign. He felt that that the Norris contract was too high and that Dorion didn’t get enough for Nick Paul or Connor Brown. Other tidbits included that the team looks good on paper but it’s unclear if it will play to potential. He mentioned that the goaltending may not be good enough especially with a weak defense. That’s it in a nutshell… don’t shoot the messenger!

 

[Byron Bitz]

I was listening to Sirius NHL Radio this morning and Boomer Gordon was doing a segment called “Rate the GM”. He gave Dorion a “C” grade and had these comments. The DeBrincat trade will be a loss is the player doesn’t re-sign. He felt that that the Norris contract was too high and that Dorion didn’t get enough for Nick Paul. Other tidbits included that the team looks good on paper but it’s unclear if it will play to potential. He mentioned that the goaltending may not be good enough especially with a weak defender. That’s it in a nutshell… don’t shoot the messenger!

Even if DBC doesn’t re sign he can still get solid value back for him next offseason.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Even if DBC doesn’t re sign he can still get solid value back for him next offseason.

He has to sign for it to be a win. What's solid value next off season for negotiating rights to a UFA?

 

[Byron Bitz]

He has to sign for it to be a win. What's solid value next off season for negotiating rights to a UFA?

Isnt he RFA next offseason?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Isnt he RFA next offseason?

Oh f*** yah I keep forgetting that. QO 9mil. I hope he signs

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Still don’t mind the DeBrincat trade regardless if he re-signs or not. I’m glad Dorion went for it and hopefully DeBrincat meshes well and wants to stay here. Can’t fault Dorion if he doesn’t re-sign because he doesn’t want to play in Canada.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

Summer of Pierre has been so good that even Erik Karlsson is rocking GMPD t-shirt.

You beat me to that one. Pic on the left especially

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I was listening to Sirius NHL Radio this morning and Boomer Gordon was doing a segment called “Rate the GM”. He gave Dorion a “C” grade and had these comments. The DeBrincat trade will be a loss is the player doesn’t re-sign. He felt that that the Norris contract was too high and that Dorion didn’t get enough for Nick Paul or Connor Brown. Other tidbits included that the team looks good on paper but it’s unclear if it will play to potential. He mentioned that the goaltending may not be good enough especially with a weak defense. That’s it in a nutshell… don’t shoot the messenger!

Thanks for letting me know that Boomer Gordon, whoever that is, is a total tool.

 

[SensHulk]

I was listening to Sirius NHL Radio this morning and Boomer Gordon was doing a segment called “Rate the GM”. He gave Dorion a “C” grade and had these comments. The DeBrincat trade will be a loss is the player doesn’t re-sign. He felt that that the Norris contract was too high and that Dorion didn’t get enough for Nick Paul or Connor Brown. Other tidbits included that the team looks good on paper but it’s unclear if it will play to potential. He mentioned that the goaltending may not be good enough especially with a weak defense. That’s it in a nutshell… don’t shoot the messenger!

Who?

 

[Hun]

I was listening to Sirius NHL Radio this morning and Boomer Gordon was doing a segment called “Rate the GM”. He gave Dorion a “C” grade and had these comments. The DeBrincat trade will be a loss is the player doesn’t re-sign. He felt that that the Norris contract was too high and that Dorion didn’t get enough for Nick Paul or Connor Brown. Other tidbits included that the team looks good on paper but it’s unclear if it will play to potential. He mentioned that the goaltending may not be good enough especially with a weak defense. That’s it in a nutshell… don’t shoot the messenger!

I would give the same rating. Dorion overpaid for White, Chabot, Brady, Norris. We pay for line 2 as if it were the first line. As a result, we will have to lose (by trade or bridge) one of the really talented players of the first level - Stutzle, Debrinсat, Sanderson. And maybe Pinto, who will be better than Norris.

 

[Bevans]

I would give the same rating. Dorion overpaid for White, Chabot, Brady, Norris. We pay for line 2 as if it were the first line. As a result, we will have to lose (by trade or bridge) one of the really talented players of the first level - Stutzle, Debrinсat, Sanderson. And maybe Pinto, who will be better than Norris.

That's a take.

Dorion is bad because he acquired 3 excellent centers who are too good to be on one team.

There is no scenario in which Pinto becomes better than Norris and it means Dorion is bad. That is elite drafting/trading/developing.

 

[Hun]

That's a take.

Dorion is bad because he acquired 3 excellent centers who are too good to be on one team.

There is no scenario in which Pinto becomes better than Norris and it means Dorion is bad. That is elite drafting/trading/developing.

Dorion is bad because he couldn't use elite drafting to build a champion team. He didn't have the patience to wait for the premium players, so he handed out premium contracts to the second level players. As a result, good drafting is destroyed by bad contact signing. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Bevans]

Dorion is bad because he couldn't use elite drafting to build a champion team. He didn't have the patience to wait for the premium players, so he handed out premium contracts to the second level players. As a result, good drafting is destroyed by bad contact signing. I hope I'm wrong.

I don't see how you can look at comps and come to that conclusion.

Dorion is bad at overpaying for fringe useless guys. But his big contracts have been fine. Especially in light of the team's financial constraints.

He pays a small premium to avoid signing bonuses and pyramids the structure of his deals yes; but, you're exaggerating the consequence of that small overpay.

The second line is locked in for the next 4 seasons, everyone is under 25, and they collectively make 21 million.

Currently, their 1st line makes 13.5 million and arguably may be the best dollar for dollar line in the NHL this year.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

I would give the same rating. Dorion overpaid for White, Chabot, Brady, Norris. We pay for line 2 as if it were the first line. As a result, we will have to lose (by trade or bridge) one of the really talented players of the first level - Stutzle, Debrinсat, Sanderson. And maybe Pinto, who will be better than Norris.

That’s an awful lot of handwringing and assumptions for a situation that may – or may not – happen in a few years. I’d just as soon give Dorion credit for improving the team and see how it plays on the ice.

 

[Hun]

Currently, their 1st line makes 13.5 million and arguably may be the best dollar for dollar line in the NHL this year.

I'm talking about what happens after next season. We won't win the Stanley Cup this season. What will happen next? Sale of quality players? I don’t know, maybe this is the right strategy, teams with 10 M players don’t win cups, and the sale of one of Stutzle, Debrinсat, Sanderson or Pinto is only for the good of the team? Let's see...