Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part IX [Mod Warning in post 1)

[Sweatred]

Okay this is actually kind of badass.

I've never seen them do anything other show up to a game before. But this is like interesting to see that they're obviously involved in the running if the team to some capacity.

Like clearly they're seeing on Twitter how invigorated the fan base is right now after the DeBrincat trade. And that has to be exciting as an owner.

I think they’ll get excited if our ticket sales get a little boost and if they can appeal to the type of fan that attends games.

 

[2CHAINZ]

Give me a break. The usual Sens Twitter suspects that were squawking doom and gloom before the trade. Why are people so sensitive? Just like PD, they want to be public figures by having their public platform on social media.

The fact you are calling people sensitive is hilarious. How many times have you removed posts and handed out infractions for stuff you don't like ? How many times do you pick and choose what is "breaking the rules"

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Okay this is actually kind of badass.

I've never seen them do anything other show up to a game before. But this is like interesting to see that they're obviously involved in the running if the team to some capacity.

Like clearly they're seeing on Twitter how invigorated the fan base is right now after the DeBrincat trade. And that has to be exciting as an owner.

I have wondered if the years of Euge being cheap in the final years of his life was about building a war chest for his daughters so they can field a more competitive team.

 

[Micklebot]

The thing is most of his good moves are big moves, and most of his "bad" moves are minor.

I'd say it's a mixed bag tbh, and depends on how you evaluate a trade (value proposition at that moment vs long term outcome)

Karlsson and DeBrincat are imo good, though I guess it's too early to really know for DeBrincat, and the Karlsson trade was a bit of a roller coaster with the SJ pick and Norris' development.

Zibanejad/Brassard, Turris/Duchene, Stone/Brannstrom turned out bad imo, though some will argue the playoff run was worth it in the case of Brassard.

I think some of his minor moves have been pretty solid, Paul/Joseph, Dzingel/Duclair, Dadonov/Holden, getting a 2nd for Paquette/Coburn.

I think the issue with Dorion's trade history is that the bad moves mostly felt avoidable. People rose the red flags the moment Stone signed a one year deal, the Zibanejad deal immediately got criticized for giving up the extra asset with the younger higher upside player, the Duchene acquisition came at a time where it felt like he was trying to save a sinking ship, Stepan trade had people immediately questioning the cost to acquire a guy well past his prime. Maybe these came because of pressure from Melnyk, maybe they are the result of not having an experience sounding board in the room.

The flip side is at least in the case of the Karlsson trade, many people felt it was going to be bad at first too. Got to let things play out I guess.

 

[Bileur]

It is a great move at such a pivotal time, we could end up losing him for less than we paid obv, but the sens don't need another prospect and this draft was meh. The fact we didn't give up next years first in this deal is a W. This trade has injected so much life into the fanbase as well it is very well done at the perfect time. I am no Dorion lover but like I said I got dunked on. I thought Pierre was going to f*** everything up and he went Jordan on me. Does it fix all his blunders ? No but if the team is winning no one gives a rat's ass about past blunders.

We’re in agreement brother. Almost word for word, only difference is that I used prime Shawn Kemp in my analogy for getting dunked on.

 

[Micklebot]

Give me a break. The usual Sens Twitter suspects that were squawking doom and gloom before the trade. Why are people so sensitive? Just like PD, they want to be public figures by having their public platform on social media.

Are we on twitter? Could have fooled me... Maybe make that comment on Twitter if that's where it was directed.

Why are people so sensitive when Dorion moves get criticized? Works both ways.

 

[Sweatred]

Are we on twitter? Could have fooled me... Maybe make that comment on Twitter if that's where it was directed.

Why are people so sensitive when Dorion moves get criticized? Works both ways.

Thanks to a few posters here we get all (enough of ) the Sens Twitter Sewage …

So yes, it feels like we are on Twitter here.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Thanks to a few posters here we get all (enough of ) the Sens Twitter Sewage …

So yes, it feels like we are on Twitter here.

Rich steaming pile right here

 

[swiftwin]

I disagree with you. His biggest win was very lucky imo, the Karlsson trade. I feel we are very lucky to have had that one work out the way it did but you gotta get lucky sometimes. Other than that where are his big wins ?

If you argue that his biggest win is lucky, then you have to admit his biggest loss was also unlucky. Can't have it both ways.

 

[2CHAINZ]

We’re in agreement brother. Almost word for word, only difference is that I used prime Shawn Kemp in my analogy for getting dunked on.

It's weird that people agree with some things I say. I was literally just told to stick to jokes and memes.

P.S. Shawn Kemp was a real one

 

[Sweatred]

I disagree with you. His biggest win was very lucky imo, the Karlsson trade. I feel we are very lucky to have had that one work out the way it did but you gotta get lucky sometimes. Other than that where are his big wins ?

You only think it’s lucky cause you had no idea who Norris was… the trade was a win the minute Dorion had the balls to trade him and face the wrath of Ottawa vs signing him for the $11.5 x8 he wanted.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

The fact you are calling people sensitive is hilarious. How many times have you removed posts and handed out infractions for stuff you don't like ? How many times do you pick and choose what is "breaking the rules"

I'm still trying to figure out how to have this mod on ignore and not have half the threads disappear.

 

[2CHAINZ]

If you argue that his biggest win is lucky, then you have to admit his biggest loss was also unlucky. Can't have it both ways.

I mean his biggest L is Stone and Zibanejad and there was no luck there it was all stupidity from the jump. The Karlsson trade is a win even if we didn't end up with Stutzle just by not locking him up to that contract so it was a job well done. I am saying it is very lucky to have worked out the way it has, I am not implying it was a bad trade that worked out out of sheer dumb luck, just saying we got pretty lucky.

You only think it’s lucky cause you had no idea who Norris was… the trade was a win the minute Dorion had the balls to trade him and face the wrath of Ottawa vs signing him for the $11.5 x8 he wanted.

Buddy no matter what I say you will just pick and choose whatever you want and then ignore my response. But here I go again taking the bait. The trade was lucky to work out the way it has, yes it's a win even if it didn't work out as amazing as it has I said that. I am simply stating I can't sit here and be amazed at Pierre's brilliance because I personally think we got lucky for it to work out as well as it has.

 

[Knave]

You only think it’s lucky cause you had no idea who Norris was… the trade was a win the minute Dorion had the balls to trade him and face the wrath of Ottawa vs signing him for the $11.5 x8 he wanted.

Dorion traded one of the best 2 way forwards in the game for a bottom 5/6 defenseman.

If this is the route you want to go down, lets go down this road. Lets take a look at his moves. Lets remove luck from the equation and assume he's all knowing.

Stone for Brannstrom. Great talent identification on that one, Dorion.

Now personally, not being an idiot, there is a considerable amount of luck involved. Dorion got lucky on the Karlsson trade and he's gotten unlucky with Brannstrom. The best way to judge Dorion is look at the results of our team in the standings and look at his moves as a whole and not 1 move here, 1 move there. And as a whole, Dorion has been a bad GM.

 

[Sweatred]

Dorion traded one of the best 2 way forwards in the game for a bottom 5/6 defenseman.

If this is the route you want to go down, lets go down this road. Lets take a look at his moves. Lets remove luck from the equation and assume he's all knowing.

Stone for Brannstrom. Great talent identification on that one, Dorion.

Now personally, not being an idiot, there is a considerable amount of luck involved. Dorion got lucky on the Karlsson trade and he's gotten unlucky with Brannstrom. The best way to judge Dorion is look at the results of our team in the standings and look at his moves as a whole and not 1 move here, 1 move there. And as a whole, Dorion has been a bad GM.

Dorion traded a hobbling under sized dman who wanted a massive retirement contract.

 

[Bileur]

You only think it’s lucky cause you had no idea who Norris was… the trade was a win the minute Dorion had the balls to trade him and face the wrath of Ottawa vs signing him for the $11.5 x8 he wanted.

Trent Mann himself said he thought Norris was a future third liner.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Are we on twitter? Could have fooled me... Maybe make that comment on Twitter if that's where it was directed.

Why are people so sensitive when Dorion moves get criticized? Works both ways.

Follow the conversation back up.

 

[NyQuil]

I don’t really have any issue with people having opinions.

If they try to inject the same opinion in every discussion it can get tiresome, but there’s a lot of room for variety when it comes to discussing the present and future of this team.

 

[2CHAINZ]

I don’t really have any issue with people having opinions.

If they try to inject the same opinion in every discussion it can get tiresome, but there’s a lot of room for variety when it comes to discussing the present and future of this team.

Screw you Nyquil. Why you always gotta come into a conversation and be sensible? Get a new schtik man.

 

[NyQuil]

Screw you Nyquil. Why you always gotta come into a conversation and be sensible? Get a new schtik man.

I only pretend to like your memes to build up your self-esteem.

 

[Micklebot]

Follow the conversation back up.

Yeah, I read it. Apparently people need to have a good move thrown in their face by you because they though the leaked Murray trade was a bad one. Comes off as divisive. It's ok to be critical of the failed Murray trade and really like the DeBrincat one. There's no gotcha moment here, we can celebrate a good move while disagreeing on the merits of another move.

 

[2CHAINZ]

I only pretend to like your memes to build up your self-esteem.

Thank you man your likes are saving me a ton of money by not having to goto therapy.

 

[NyQuil]

Thank you man you're likes are saving me a ton of money by not having to goto therapy.

Your.

 

[2CHAINZ]

Your.

Booking an appointment now

 

[OD99]

Kind of divisive calling people who have a different opinion than yours trolls. Everybody wants the team to succeed, when they see the team do something they think is counter to that goal, the criticize it, when they see something they feel is positive, they applaud it.

Very few posters if any criticize Dorion to try and provoke others, they just don't like what he's done. You on the other hand seem to be aiming this post as an attack at posters that disagreed with your takes. Who is being the troll in that scenario?

Pretty sure someone put a warning at the top of the thread pages about being a troll too?

Banned from the thread or something? I think the warning came after the person didn't like that posters complained about GMPD...so maybe there is some background to it.