Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part IX [Mod Warning in post 1)

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

Excited about the young core signed to contracts; Missing one; Trying insert "Hard" to sign Pinto before camp.
Still not committing to being a playoff team.
Mentioned "The Rebuild is Over" was not what he meant to say.
Self sales pitch
Talked up the great situation the team is in for many years to come
Talked about the lengthy interviews he had with the potential owners including Andlauer
Talked about the excitement of having Andlauer come in
Talked about the fans and how he embraces the fans and opportunities to talk to them
Talked about giving back to the community

No mention of his girlfriend?

 

[swiftwin]

How is this possible??!?!?! I was told by hfsens that signing players to 7/8 year contracts is the easiest thing to do in the world.

 

[Hale The Villain]

How is this possible??!?!?! I was told by hfsens that signing players to 7/8 year contracts is the easiest thing to do in the world.

Dahlin was already bridged for 3 years, so signing for another 5 years would mean he'd be with the team for 8 years after his ELC, which is the same number of years as Stutzle and Sanderson.

Try again.

 

[Bileur]

Dahlin was already bridged for 3 years, so signing for another 5 years would mean he'd be with the team for 8 years after his ELC, which is the same number of years as Stutzle and Sanderson.

Try again.

It’s hard to compare the situations, not only is Dahlin older and looking for a third contract, but he’s better than Sanderson and is also one of the few D who I think has higher upside than Sanderson.

Sens paid Sanderson as a top 15 guy right away. I think it’s a good gamble, but it’s a gamble.

Doing the equivalent with Dahlin would be what? Offering to make him the top paid D on an 8 year extension?

That’s what I’d ask if I were his agent.

 

[SpezDispenser]

It figures that we have a potent roster finally and we're not cap compliant of all things lol

 

[swiftwin]

Dahlin was already bridged for 3 years, so signing for another 5 years would mean he'd be with the team for 8 years after his ELC, which is the same number of years as Stutzle and Sanderson.

Try again.

Okay? So, they're in this predicament because they didn't sign him for 8 years in the first place!!! Now they have to pay him at a higher AAV than if they had signed him for 8 years instead of that 3 year bridge.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

did dorion really say playoffs are not the expectation this year? what was the exact quote.

cuz its hard to believe that's real.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

did dorion really say playoffs are not the expectation this year? what was the exact quote.

cuz its hard to believe that's real.

He basically is not promising it… of course it is expected

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

did dorion really say playoffs are not the expectation this year? what was the exact quote.

cuz its hard to believe that's real.

No he just said he wasn't going there with predictions

 

[HSF]

How is this possible??!?!?! I was told by hfsens that signing players to 7/8 year contracts is the easiest thing to do in the world.

swing and a miss there buddy

Okay? So, they're in this predicament because they didn't sign him for 8 years in the first place!!! Now they have to pay him at a higher AAV than if they had signed him for 8 years instead of that 3 year bridge.

Ah moving the goal post. The team could have chose a 3 year bridge as a prove it deal as Dhalin did not have a hot start to his career. Or they could have slightly overpaid to lock him in at 8 years like Ott did with Sanderson. Point being you are comparing UFA and RFA years in your original statement.

 

[Golden_Jet]

did dorion really say playoffs are not the expectation this year? what was the exact quote.

cuz its hard to believe that's real.

No he didn’t, said will wait to camp, to see how they look, when he was at the mayor’s breakfast.
What he says won’t matter within a year probably.
Where did you get that info?

 

[Micklebot]

Okay? So, they're in this predicament because they didn't sign him for 8 years in the first place!!! Now they have to pay him at a higher AAV than if they had signed him for 8 years instead of that 3 year bridge.

It's risk management, they perhaps didn't feel comfortable signing him to a deal he potentially wouldn't live up to, no they are comfortable with long term, but will have to pay a bit more.

both options have pros and cons, when we signed Colin White to a 6 year deal, it had the potential to be a really good deal if he could be a 2nd line center going forward, his development crashed, and it bit us in the rear end. One might argue the Chabot deal didn't quite live up to the teams hopes. Meanwhile the Stu deal is trending pretty well, hopefully we'll be saying the same for Sanderson. When Batherson's deal runs out, should we lament we didn't sign him for 8 years if he's still going strong, or be happy that we got him at a good price while we did?

 

[Golden_Jet]

swing and a miss there buddy


Ah moving the goal post. The team could have chose a 3 year bridge as a prove it deal as Dhalin did not have a hot start to his career. Or they could have slightly overpaid to lock him in at 8 years like Ott did with Sanderson. Point being you are comparing UFA and RFA years in your original statement.

Dahlin one RFA year, and 4 UFA years or 7 UFA years with 8 year deal.
Sanderson 4 RFA and 4 UFA years.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

No he didn’t, said will wait to camp, to see how they look, when he was at the mayor’s breakfast.
What he says won’t matter within a year probably.
Where did you get that info?

I posted the exact quote earlier in the thread.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

New Scanlan article is out on Sportsnet. Always enjoy his stuff even if not groundbreaking. Interesting Dorion quote that seems to explain why he doesn't want to make predictions. Proactively trying to not turn it into a juicy soundbite/meme. I can respect that given the history.

“I got in trouble a few years ago when I said, ‘The rebuild is over,’” Dorion told Sutcliffe. “Which is not exactly what I wanted to say, but sometimes you get caught off.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Dorion is a weak leader.

He should be instilling confidence in his guys instead of worrying about his PTSD of becoming a meme again.

 

[swiftwin]

Dorion is a weak leader.

He should be instilling confidence in his guys instead of worrying about his PTSD of becoming a meme again.

Are you suggesting he was a strong leader when he said "the rebuild is over"?

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Are you suggesting he was a strong leader when he said "the rebuild is over"?

No, he foolish because the rebuild clearly wasn't over at that point.

But now that we're capped out and every one of our high-drafted players is in or entering their prime years, he doesn't want to be confident?

He is just not built to be a leader of a competitive sports team. Sports, especially hockey, is basically a socially acceptable and fun way to make war.

And would anyone here be comfortable with Pierre Dorion as their commander or general in a war? f*** no.

 

[Golden_Jet]

He is just not built to be a leader of a competitive sports team. Sports, especially hockey, is basically a socially acceptable and fun way to make war.

And would anyone here be comfortable with Pierre Dorion as their commander or general in a war? f*** no.

Wow, just wow.

 

[HSF]

Dahlin one RFA year, and 4 UFA years or 7 UFA years with 8 year deal.
Sanderson 4 RFA and 4 UFA years.

Yup and those are two very different price points. Dahlin wants to cash in again at the end of the 5 year deal.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Wow, just wow.

what do you disagree with?

btw you want to know why players like Jordan or Alfredsson were some of the best leaders in their league?

they went to war for their team.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Yup and those are two very different price points. Dahlin wants to cash in again at the end of the 5 year deal.

Was just pointing out both players have RFA and UFA years on any deal, as opposed to one being RFA and one UFA, nothing more.

 

[HSF]

Was just pointing out both players have RFA and UFA years on any deal, as opposed to one being RFA and one UFA, nothing more.

Yes but one would be giving up many more UFA years on a long term deal hence the point of its not an apples to apples comparison with Sanderson

As already mentioned Dahlin was on a 3 year bridge

 

[Golden_Jet]

Yes but one would be giving up many more UFA years on a long term deal hence the point of its not an apples to apples comparison with Sanderson

As already mentioned Dahlin was on a 3 year bridge

Yep I explained that to you in my first reply.

 

[DrEasy]

New Scanlan article is out on Sportsnet. Always enjoy his stuff even if not groundbreaking. Interesting Dorion quote that seems to explain why he doesn't want to make predictions. Proactively trying to not turn it into a juicy soundbite/meme. I can respect that given the history.

“I got in trouble a few years ago when I said, ‘The rebuild is over,’” Dorion told Sutcliffe. “Which is not exactly what I wanted to say, but sometimes you get caught off.

Yeah, he probably just meant that the dismantling was over, which it was.