Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part IX [Mod Warning in post 1)

[bicboi64]

Really hoping Dahlin goes the AM34 route and tries to squeeze as much as he can out of Pegula. Buffalo needs to have a few overpaid deals, especially with Thompson and Cozens being on very good contracts

 

[GCK]

Dahlin was already bridged for 3 years, so signing for another 5 years would mean he'd be with the team for 8 years after his ELC, which is the same number of years as Stutzle and Sanderson.

Try again.

 

[Beech]

Yeah, he probably just meant that the dismantling was over, which it was.

no.

he meant, we need you to buy tickets...

So he says, the rebuild is over... you rush to buy tickets..165 M in revenue is needed.. How does that come when you say, well, we still have 3--4 years to go.. fans will say, okay, I'll look you up in 3-4 years.

Montreal's Kent Hughes just a few moths ago said: This year is playoffs... He meant: in Montreal, we need 180-200 M.. Please rush and buy your tickets.

fans need to be smart and understand. Sales and Marketing delivers the message.. not the Hockey ops... And so, Dorion, did not err.. he knew what he was saying and he was probably directed to say it.

In the NHL
rule 1, generate 165 million and more
rule 2. see rule 1

 

[SergeConstantin74]

Dorion was at the Videotron Center in Quebec yesterday to watch his son Antoine's first QMJHL regular season game. He had 2 assists in a 5-3 loss. He's eligible for the 2024 NHL Draft.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[Samboni]

No way I would do that. Bury Joseph in the ECHL if that’s what it takes to get us under the cap.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

No way I would do that. Bury Joseph in the ECHL if that’s what it takes to get us under the cap.

Doesn't save enough $ to make a difference. But a 1st is definitely a very high price to clean up that mistake.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

No way I would do that. Bury Joseph in the ECHL if that’s what it takes to get us under the cap.

This is what happens to shit GMs.

They back themselves into corners and it is 100% self-inflicted.

 

[KingAlfie11]

This is what happens to shit GMs.

They back themselves into corners and it is 100% self-inflicted.

Man you really hate Dorion huh?

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Man you really hate Dorion huh?

I hate incompetence.

Which is why I hate myself as well.

 

[Icelevel]

This is what happens to shit GMs.

They back themselves into corners and it is 100% self-inflicted.

I think Pierre has done that every year. Keeps finding new corners.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I think Pierre has done that every year. Keeps finding new corners.

Yes and every time he has done it, he has had to give up assets, make bad trades or sign bad contracts.

He has now officially run out of room and we haven't made the playoffs yet.

I'm still pumped for the season but it really sucks that we find ourselves cap screwed when we finally reach the point where we can expect a real increase in performance.

 

[GCK]

Doesn't save enough $ to make a difference. But a 1st is definitely a very high price to clean up that mistake.

Just move Brannstrom and waive Kelly and Sokolov Sign Pinto and Bailey add Thomson.

 

[swiftwin]

wants to add to the people already there.

 

[Ghost of Jody Hull]

wants to add to the people already there.

At the same time, he said he lets his people do their job but holds them "accountable" and mentioned several times about the cap crunch the team has gotten themselves into which is preventing them from signing Shane Pinto.



Listening to that interview, he came off as a lot more practical than some would probably like. My 3 takeaways:

• There was no vote of confidence for the GM or coach. If there's a slow start, or the team misses the playoffs, these guys will be on thin ice. Everyone is going to be evaluated starting now.
• Salary cap spending is no gimme in coming years. Fans need to buy tickets for the team to spend.
• If there's going to be an arena downtown, taxpayers will be footing a lot of the bill.

 

[swiftwin]

There was no vote of confidence for the GM or coach. If there's a slow start, or the team misses the playoffs, these guys will be on thin ice. Everyone is going to be evaluated starting now.

As they should be.

But Andlauer recognizes the good job Dorion has done so far, which is why he wants to add to the front office, not replace.

 

[Ghost of Jody Hull]

As they should be.

But Andlauer recognizes the good job Dorion has done so far, which is why he wants to add to the front office, not replace.

Maybe. But like I said, there has yet to a public vote of confidence for the GM (or coach), so we don't really know what he's thinking. All he's said is that he's early in his tenure and wants to listen and learn before making any moves. He hasn't said "Pierre has done a great job" in any interview, for example. He's said that he wants to build a team that can win the cup. He hasn't said that we have a team that can win the cup.

I'm not getting the "we're ready to go all in with this core and win, full steam ahead, I'm just here to support" vibe from him. It's much more measured.

The next few months will be interesting.

 

[Sens Vader]

As they should be.

But Andlauer recognizes the good job Dorion has done so far, which is why he wants to add to the front office, not replace.

Well, they fired Mann who had a significant hand in building this team. In fact, if our drafting and prospect scouting wasn't a knock out this rebuild would have been shite

But this is good news, we have been so thin for so many years - Andleaur gonna bolster our hockey ops team which is gonna ramp this thing up a notch

I'm excited to see a POHO hire and am already happy about the Analytics adds to help both management and coaching

 

[KingAlfie11]

One thing is for sure, even though I think Dorion has done a very job rebuilding this team, this season is a huge season for DJ Smith and Pierre Dorion if the team under perform I have no problem with the owner replacing them. At one point this team needs to take the next step show signs of becoming a serious cup contender.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

of waiting for

Well, they fired Mann who had a significant hand in building this team. In fact, if our drafting and prospect scouting wasn't a knock out this rebuild would have been shite

But this is good news, we have been so thin for so many years - Andleaur gonna bolster our hockey ops team which is gonna ramp this thing up a notch

I'm excited to see a POHO hire and am already happy about the Analytics adds to help both management and coaching

How do you not know that Mann is the reason for some bad picks?

I don’t see either Mann finding a job quickly if they were such all stars waiting in the wings.

 

[Sens Vader]

Cool look at the roster breakdown

Blue - Draft (12 Players)
Orange - Trade (Prospect) (2 Players)
Red - Trade (NHL Ready Player) (4 Players)
Green - Free Agent/Waiver Pick Up (9 Players)


Tkachuk Stutzle Giroux
Batherson Norris Tarasenko
Kubalik Pinto Joseph
Kelly Kastelic Mack
Smejkal Greig Sokolov

Sanderson Zub
Chabot Chychrun
Brannstrom Hamonic
Kleven JBD

Korpi
Forsberg
Sogaard

 

[Micklebot]

As they should be.

But Andlauer recognizes the good job Dorion has done so far, which is why he wants to add to the front office, not replace.

Feels like you're reading what you want to hear into it rather than allowing the quotes to speak for themselves. That's not to say the quotes say the opposite or anything, just that they don't really endorse what he's done

It is interesting though, right now, the head scout is one of the few pieces to be canned (albeit technically prior to the ownership officially changed). So does that mean the team is unhappy with drafting when we have some pretty key pieces coming from the draft (Stu, Sanderson, Pinto, Greig, Kleven)? Maybe, Thomson, JBD, and Boucher are all struggling to live up to the billing so far.

Andlauer said he's there to hold Dorion accountable, he also talked about the corner we've backed ourselves into wrt the cap and how we'll have to wait and see how that pans out. Well, who would be held accountable for the outcome of our current cap situation?

 

[Ghost of Jody Hull]

of waiting for


How do you not know that Mann is the reason for some bad picks?

I don’t see either Mann finding a job quickly if they were such all stars waiting in the wings.

He's still being paid by Ottawa. Once his contract ends, he'll be able to find another job.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

He's still being paid by Ottawa. Once his contract ends, he'll be able to find another job.

Is he scouting games?

 

[Micklebot]

I don’t see either Mann finding a job quickly if they were such all stars waiting in the wings

If I'm not mistaken, both are still under contract, there's no rush from their perspective, and we'd have to allow other teams to interview them.

I'd also argue the rumours surrounding why Troy was fired might play into any reluctance for a team to rush into hiring them, as opposed to the job either did.