Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part IX [Mod Warning in post 1)

[Ice-Tray]

That was part of the sale. It was hype.

No way he was coming back.

EK even said in an interview that he didn’t want to sign a long term deal without protection, as offered, because he feared that the Sens would turn around and trade him.

There was a lot going on with that negotiation, but PD could likely have offered some trade protection if that was a sticking point.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

EK even said in an interview that he didn’t want to sign a long term deal without protection, as offered, because he feared that the Sens would turn around and trade him.

There was a lot going on with that negotiation, but PD could likely have offered some trade protection if that was a sticking point.

I really hate to take your guys side on this, but I agree, there was no offer made that was actually intended to keep Karlsson in Ottawa.

As AchtzehnBaby said, it was all part of the "sale". Not sure why, but that's what it appears to be.

 

[Sens Vader]

Not really.

The sole job is to have a vision for the team’s success, and then hire people and help draft and trade for players, to bring your vision into fruition.

The public side is a bonus, and is immaterial if the vision is successful. Nobody in the NHL cares whether a GM is awesome or awkward in front of the cameras. It’s so comically childish to think that the NHL operates like a middle school class during presentations.

Fans who get hung up on hating these people due to public awkwardness have lost the plot. No one actually cares about what fans think about public appearances. It all comes down to on ice performance for every GM from those who matter, which isn’t internet ‘super fans’ (dorks) like us.

Eventually PD’s time will run out, or his vision will be successful before the clock strikes midnight. The petty superficial fan bullshit about media appearances is just mud for pigs to play in, it has no bearing on the actual job of being a GM.

I’m sorry but this is an absolutely clueless response if you think the public does not care about how public figure heads conduct themselves in front of the media. People get fined and fired for what they say publicly every day. Being nervous awkward and going back on your words every interview is simply not good for the business

You need to sell in every aspect I laid out in my previous post and that is indisputable. We’re a team that is bleeding Ticket sales, you have to sell the vision to the fanbase. Churn rates in the organization are also insane.

The need for this skill in Ottawa is necessary imo

You can’t ignore 5 straight bottom 10 finishes as that is what they have tangibly achieved on ice. You can’t ignore the laundry list of bad trades and signings. That’s the current material outcome.

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A trade is sales, a contract negotiation is sales, internal and external communication is done best by good sales people. It’s not superficial at all, it is a significant part of the role. I have zero confidence in his leadership, his transaction record is just as horrendous as his public persona.

You can evaluate him on the hockey side, and the business side. He’s doing poorly in both currently on both objective and subjective assessments

 

[Ice-Tray]

I’m sorry but this is an absolutely clueless response if you think the public does not care about how public figure heads conduct themselves in front of the media.

You need to sell in every aspect I laid out in my previous post and that is indisputable. We’re a team that is bleeding Ticket sales, you have to sell that vision to that fanbase.

A trade is sales, a contract negotiation is sales, internal and external communication is done best by good sales people. It’s not superficial at all, it is a significant part of the role. I have zero confidence in his leadership.

Sorry but I disagree.

Regular fans don’t need trades sold to them at all, and most of the fanbase follows the team through media articles from pundits. Very few percentage wise watch entire press conferences etc, the super fan in here is an absolute minority.

Mendes and Garrioche amongst other provide the bulk of what Sens fans need.

We’re bleeding tickets because the team sucks and casual fans aren’t going, along with EM poisoning local business relationships. Again, super fans are either still going to games, or never will regardless. None of it hinges on who the GM is or how he does in front of a camera.

When this team starts winning, the stands will fill no matter how much he irritates you in interviews.

Also, just to clear things up for you, the GM of the hockey team isn’t a ‘public figure head’ he is a professional doing a job, who has to answer media questions about his job every once in a while. It is required occasionally, but is by far the least important part of his job as it pertains to the hockey team. That goes for every team in the league.

Feel free to dislike the team’s leadership, but blaming his media presence as a reason is absolutely petty and superficial in terms of what his actual job is.

 

[Sens Vader]

Sorry but I disagree.

Regular fans don’t need trades sold to them at all, and most of the fanbase follows the team through media articles from pundits. Very few percentage wise watch entire press conferences etc, the super fan in here is an absolute minority.

Mendes and Garrioche amongst other provide the bulk of what Sens fans need.

We’re bleeding tickets because the team sucks and casual fans aren’t going, along with EM poisoning local business relationships. Again, super fans are either still going to games, or never will regardless. None of it hinges on who the GM is or how he does in front of a camera.

When this team starts winning, the stands will fill no matter how much he irritates you in interviews.

Also, just to clear things up for you, the GM of the hockey team isn’t a ‘public figure head’ he is a professional doing a job, who has to answer media questions about his job every once in a while. It is required occasionally, but is by far the least important part of his job as it pertains to the hockey team. That goes for every team in the league.

Feel free to dislike the team’s leadership, but blaming his media presence as a reason is absolutely petty and superficial in terms of what his actual job is.

That is fine, you can disagree. However, you are not making any point that contradicts my assessment of Dorion as a GM - just that the aspect of his public appearances alone holds less weight than I believe. You are free to think that.

I also acknowledged public interviews are only one aspect of sales skills needed in the role and outlined the other areas quite clearly.

Mendes and Garrioch's articles are directly influenced by Dorion's media availabilities.

The team sucks because of Dorion, AND that is combined with his inability to sell why the team sucks. IMO if a Yzerman type came in as GM that would provide a tangible benefit on ticket sales, but again that is how we differ in opinion - and I concede that is an estimate, not a fact. Promotion holds significant weight in a sports team's success, and any GM has the ability to play a significant role in that.

The team isn't winning, and a better GM should be considered to change that.

His public presence is an insight into his vision of the team, his personality, and his ability to handle pressure. This is not the sole purpose of his job, never once suggested that nor did I suggest it is close to the most important part of his role. I believe he is failing in other areas that are more important as well.

It is easy to say the things you suck at don't matter.

 

[Tuna99]

Rangers kept winning the lottery, so bad comparison, and is Gorton not Gordon in Montreal, and Kent Hughes is the GM.

They bombed their drafts of Lias Anderson and Kratztov, Kappo has 16 total goals the last 2 seasons and had 7 goals this year. And they probably didn’t even get a top 5 player of that draft picking Lafraneiere so don’t know what you’re talking about with this winning draft thing.

Not smart analysis but you spelled everything correctly

 

[Ice-Tray]

That is fine, you can disagree. However, you are not making any point that contradicts my assessment of Dorion as a GM - just that the aspect of his public appearances alone holds less weight than I believe. You are free to think that.

I also acknowledged public interviews are only one aspect of sales skills needed in the role and outlined the other areas quite clearly.

Mendes and Garrioch's articles are directly influenced by Dorion's media availabilities.

The team sucks because of Dorion, AND that is combined with his inability to sell why the team sucks. IMO if a Yzerman type came in as GM that would provide a tangible benefit on ticket sales, but again that is how we differ in opinion - and I concede that is an estimate, not a fact. Promotion holds significant weight in a sports team's success, and any GM has the ability to play a significant role in that.

The team isn't winning, and a better GM should be considered to change that.

His public presence is an insight into his vision of the team, his personality, and his ability to handle pressure. This is not the sole purpose of his job, never once suggested that nor did I suggest it is close to the most important part of his role. I believe he is failing in other areas that are more important as well.

It is easy to say the things you suck at don't matter.

Hey, if you don’t like him because you are unimpressed with the vision he has and team he has iced, that is entirely fair in my opinion and I respect that.

As for the rest, I disagree wholeheartedly. Im
Not impressed with his media presence either, but I find him candid, passionate, and overly exuberant. I figure that the harshness of the realities of being in the media will continue to temper that shared spirit and we’ll get less excitement, and more stock answers. I also like that he doesn’t talk about contracts in the media, Murray always played that game.

Ticket sales wouldn’t move an inch for a new GM, just like fans didn’t flock when EM died. It’s all just bullshit that’s spewed by super fans in here. The peeps in here that want to go to games, are going to games now, and those that don’t, still aren’t, they just moved the goalposts.

As I said, the proof is always in the pudding. Once the team starts winning the fans will return in droves no matter who is at the helm. We’ll probably see a massive change in here back to how things used to be as well. The truth is that more casual fans don’t wast time in sports bullshit and off ice minutea like we do in here. It’s a complete wast of time and basically a non factor.

 

[Sens Vader]

Hey, if you don’t like him because you are unimpressed with the vision he has and team he has iced, that is entirely fair in my opinion and I respect that.

As for the rest, I disagree wholeheartedly. Im
Not impressed with his media presence either, but I find him candid, passionate, and overly exuberant. I figure that the harshness of the realities of being in the media will continue to temper that shared spirit and we’ll get less excitement, and more stock answers. I also like that he doesn’t talk about contracts in the media, Murray always played that game.

Ticket sales wouldn’t move an inch for a new GM, just like fans didn’t flock when EM died. It’s all just bullshit that’s spewed by super fans in here. The peeps in here that want to go to games, are going to games now, and those that don’t, still aren’t, they just moved the goalposts.

As I said, the proof is always in the pudding. Once the team starts winning the fans will return in droves no matter who is at the helm. We’ll probably see a massive change in here back to how things used to be as well. The truth is that more casual fans don’t wast time in sports bullshit and off ice minutea like we do in here. It’s a complete wast of time and basically a non factor.

totally fair, 1000% disagree with your opinion.

 

[umma gumma]

Ticket sales wouldn’t move an inch for a new GM, just like fans didn’t flock when EM died. It’s all just bullshit that’s spewed by super fans in here. The peeps in here that want to go to games, are going to games now, and those that don’t, still aren’t, they just moved the goalposts.

Meh, I don't think its entirely accurate. Its not like anyone here was saying once EM dies they'll go to games. The team still doesn't have a new owner, and Dorion is still in charge of the roster. As of yet, not a whole lot has changed.

 

[Golden_Jet]

They bombed their drafts of Lias Anderson and Kratztov, Kappo has 16 total goals the last 2 seasons and had 7 goals this year. And they probably didn’t even get a top 5 player of that draft picking Lafraneiere so don’t know what you’re talking about with this winning draft thing.

Not smart analysis but you spelled everything correctly

Lol, You just told us how great Gorton was in NY, and now you’ve flip flopped on him,
you also forgot they got gifted a Norris trophy defenseman.

 

[Micklebot]

Ticket sales wouldn’t move an inch for a new GM, just like fans didn’t flock when EM died. It’s all just bullshit that’s spewed by super fans in here. The peeps in here that want to go to games, are going to games now,

Certainly not instantly, a GMs impact on ticket sales is typically going to be based on the actions he takes not his name. Make popular moves that make the team better and increase fan confidence and you'll sell more tickets. For some, Dorion has hurt fan confidence that it will take more positive from him than it would from someone else, but even there it's his actions from both past and future not just his name.

Nobody is suggesting that fan engagement is a light switch except people trying to make intellectually dishonest arguments. It took time for fans to stop attending and it will take time for them to come back, even if the things that pushed them away are no longer present.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Meh, I don't think its entirely accurate. Its not like anyone here was saying once EM dies they'll go to games. The team still doesn't have a new owner, and Dorion is still in charge of the roster. As of yet, not a whole lot has changed.

Right. EM is gone for good, but not a whole lot has changed.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Certainly not instantly, a GMs impact on ticket sales is typically going to be based on the actions he takes not his name. Make popular moves that make the team better and increase fan confidence and you'll sell more tickets. For some, Dorion has hurt fan confidence that it will take more positive from him than it would from someone else, but even there it's his actions from both past and future not just his name.

Nobody is suggesting that fan engagement is a light switch except people trying to make intellectually dishonest arguments. It took time for fans to stop attending and it will take time for them to come back, even if the things that pushed them away are no longer present.

As I said in the specific discussion I was having, fans in general will return to the arena in numbers if/when the team starts being good again.

Fans are not staying away from the team because of how awkward PD is in media engagements. They are not going to games because the team isn’t very good yet.

That is starting to change.

 

[umma gumma]

Right. EM is gone for good, but not a whole lot has changed.

Ok, other than EM's absense (and PM), explain to me how this version of the Senators organization is different from the one that was running things in January.

 

[Sens Vader]

As I said in the specific discussion I was having, fans in general will return to the arena in numbers if/when the team starts being good again.

Fans are not staying away from the team because of how awkward PD is in media engagements. They are not going to games because the team isn’t very good yet.

That is starting to change.

I think you’re missing the point, there is a correlation between his horrible communication skills and his effectiveness on the job. You are isolating the two, a GM who has better sales skills will perform better in all areas of his role and thus impact ticket sales.

His interviews just provide an insight into his ability to communicate and directly affect all promotional outlets (Mendes, Garrioch, TSN1200 etc) which in turn affect fan perception of the team/brand.

You need to have a strategy to build more "super fans", or ones that show up even when the team is underperforming. The organization has done a horrible job at that from top to bottom.

 

[Big Muddy]

Meh, I don't think its entirely accurate. Its not like anyone here was saying once EM dies they'll go to games. The team still doesn't have a new owner, and Dorion is still in charge of the roster. As of yet, not a whole lot has changed.

Certainly not instantly, a GMs impact on ticket sales is typically going to be based on the actions he takes not his name. Make popular moves that make the team better and increase fan confidence and you'll sell more tickets. For some, Dorion has hurt fan confidence that it will take more positive from him than it would from someone else, but even there it's his actions from both past and future not just his name.

Nobody is suggesting that fan engagement is a light switch except people trying to make intellectually dishonest arguments. It took time for fans to stop attending and it will take time for them to come back, even if the things that pushed them away are no longer present.

Fans so far haven't shown up in droves for season tickets, but even if EM has died, ownership is still an open question and an unknown.

Like the other posts above me have described, new owners, a new GM, and various other things will all add up to create a new & improved environment. It won't happen all at once, but I believe it could be incremental. I think it can help generate some more interest and enthusiasm and get our attendance numbers back to where they once were for quite some time years ago.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Ok, other than EM's absense (and PM), explain to me how this version of the Senators organization is different from the one that was running things in January.

Other than the tyrannical, micromanaging, scourge of Ottawa owner being present….

Well, there was an article released not long ago in the athletic that outlined a chronic workplace toxicity that was pervasive throughout the organization. It outlined several specific incidences that involved personal interactions as well as media relations.

The single person responsible for all of those things has passed away. In a way, the organization has been given a bath and a breeze of fresh air has blown through the building.

I’d be willing to be that the organization is a lot better a place to work since EM’s passing, undoubtably in many was that we as fans don’t and won’t see.

However, in terms of specifics that we know; we have seen the Sens engage in the pride celebration in a way that was not typical before, and we know that the owner stymied engagement in the past.

We have seen renewed discussions with Alfie being involved with the team, we have heard Dorion tell the media that he has more money to spend this off season.

McGuire was removed from his position.

Some quality managament people were brought in as EM’s health was failing, with the optics that they were there to oversee perhaps an ownership transition, or the Lebreton situation. Speaking of which, the team has submitted a proposal before the deadline as well.

Given that it’s playoff time, and the off season hasn’t really started yet, I’d say we have probably seen as much change as can be expected with the passing of one person. We haven’t seen new ownership and the glory of mass firings that many in here are drooling over the thought of, but that may come in time. We shouldn’t really expect a sale of this magnitude to happen fast, nor should we expect it to happen in the middle of the playoffs.

 

[umma gumma]

Other than the tyrannical, micromanaging, scourge of Ottawa owner being present….

Well, there was an article released not long ago in the athletic that outlined a chronic workplace toxicity that was pervasive throughout the organization. It outlined several specific incidences that involved personal interactions as well as media relations.

The single person responsible for all of those things has passed away. In a way, the organization has been given a bath and a breeze of fresh air has blown through the building.

I’d be willing to be that the organization is a lot better a place to work since EM’s passing, undoubtably in many was that we as fans don’t and won’t see.

However, in terms of specifics that we know; we have seen the Sens engage in the pride celebration in a way that was not typical before, and we know that the owner stymied engagement in the past.

We have seen renewed discussions with Alfie being involved with the team, we have heard Dorion tell the media that he has more money to spend this off season.

McGuire was removed from his position.

Some quality managament people were brought in as EM’s health was failing, with the optics that they were there to oversee perhaps an ownership transition, or the Lebreton situation. Speaking of which, the team has submitted a proposal before the deadline as well.

Given that it’s playoff time, and the off season hasn’t really started yet, I’d say we have probably seen as much change as can be expected with the passing of one person. We haven’t seen new ownership and the glory of mass firings that many in here are drooling over the thought of, but that may come in time. We shouldn’t really expect a sale of this magnitude to happen fast, nor should we expect it to happen in the middle of the playoffs.

Dorion was looking for a winger and dman last year too. Talk is cheap. A lot of the stuff you mentioned is progress, but none of it affects the on ice product. I don't think Chabot and Brady had things similar to your list in mind when they said they want to see changes. A lot of the fans feel the same way, but no one trusts Dorion to do the job.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I think you’re missing the point, there is a correlation between his horrible communication skills and his effectiveness on the job. You are isolating the two, a GM who has better sales skills will perform better in all areas of his role and thus impact ticket sales.

His interviews just provide an insight into his ability to communicate and directly affect all promotional outlets (Mendes, Garrioch, TSN1200 etc) which in turn affect fan perception of the team/brand.

You need to have a strategy to build more "super fans", or ones that show up even when the team is underperforming. The organization has done a horrible job at that from top to bottom.

But here’s the thing, he doesn’t have ‘horrible communication skills’ that’s your personal opinion, and I consider it a pretty large exaggeration. I would hazard a guess that no one in the media that covers the NHL, nor any of the bloggers, not to mention the general fanbase, hold this opinion of the man.

It’s not his forté, and he is prone to making statements in his excitement that he regrets later, but he does a fine job in communicating the direction of the team, and the finer points of his job.

No, how he acts in front of the camera; or in front of a group does not indicate how he is in one on one more private or business interactions. That is a ridiculous statement. In general, people feel and behave differently in more stressful situations.

Lots of people in here have been showing up throughout this rebuild, they talk about it all the time. Those that haven’t bothered through this rebuild only have themselves to blame. You want to be wooed, and I think the organization should ignore you and focus on fans who are excited about this young team and are looking forward to seeing them play in September. I think the GM should stick to his plan and build a winning team, because that’s the best way for him to fill the stands.

Any fan who isn’t going to games because they don’t like the GM has their own issues going on, and shouldn’t be a focus for team marketing, ever. I just heard today that the passing of EM hasn’t even changed anything, so we know the goalposts have already shifted for those folks, and the GM is next in the cross hairs.

Petty superficial complaints should be ignored not catered to. The team on the ice will dictate the successes and failures of the GM, and will be the ultimate determining factor of attendance in the Ottawa market.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Dorion was looking for a winger and dman last year too. Talk is cheap. A lot of the stuff you mentioned is progress, but none of it affects the on ice product. I don't think Chabot and Brady had things similar to your list in mind when they said they want to see changes. A lot of the fans feel the same way, but no one trusts Dorion to do the job.

Sure, but your not being realistic.

I wouldn’t presume to speak for either player, but I suspect that a better working environment and participating in inclusion efforts are things they would support. Given that the off season hasn’t started there isn’t much else going on.

I’m with you that we have to wait and see who we can get, though I understand that getting good players is a challenge at best for Ottawa at the best of times regardless.

I just thought it was funny that at long last EM is finally gone, and now it’s starting to not matter…. The biggest single change that the organization could have hoped for has already been rendered moot by some folks.

 

[Sens Vader]

But here’s the thing, he doesn’t have ‘horrible communication skills’ that’s your personal opinion, and I consider it a pretty large exaggeration. I would hazard a guess that no one in the media that covers the NHL, nor any of the bloggers, not to mention the general fanbase, hold this opinion of the man.

It’s not his forté, and he is prone to making statements in his excitement that he regrets later, but he does a fine job in communicating the direction of the team, and the finer points of his job.

No, how he acts in front of the camera; or in front of a group does not indicate how he is in one on one more private or business interactions. That is a ridiculous statement. In general, people feel and behave differently in more stressful situations.

Lots of people in here have been showing up throughout this rebuild, they talk about it all the time. Those that haven’t bothered through this rebuild only have themselves to blame. You want to be wooed, and I think the organization should ignore you and focus on fans who are excited about this young team and are looking forward to seeing them play in September. I think the GM should stick to his plan and build a winning team, because that’s the best way for him to fill the stands.

Any fan who isn’t going to games because they don’t like the GM has their own issues going on, and shouldn’t be a focus for team marketing, ever. I just heard today that the passing of EM hasn’t even changed anything, so we know the goalposts have already shifted for those folks, and the GM is next in the cross hairs.

Petty superficial complaints should be ignored not catered to. The team on the ice will dictate the successes and failures of the GM, and will be the ultimate determining factor of attendance in the Ottawa market.

I think the vast majority of people would agree he has poor communication skills, and I believe it is quite evident people think that. It is your personal opinion that he does not.

Not ridiculous at all, if I were to hire a sales rep and during all of his interviews he was nervous, awkward, and said stupid things, it would be a great indication of how he would perform in a customer-facing role. This dude doesn't speak like Shakespear behind closed doors, I'm sorry.

The whole job is stressful, and Dorion has a laundry list of horrible trades and signings that you can tangibly evaluate. All of which are executed through communication with other teams GMs and agents in high-pressure environments

Your third point is mute, I support the team - I am a "super fan" 100%. I support the team so much that I want a competent manager to help the team become a success so more fans can join in loving the team I love.

As a business, if you don't focus on those not buying your product you are absolutely and utterly clueless.

We have a 6-year track record to evaluate the GM. Any positive impact you believe he alone has had on the roster will only benefit an experienced executive.

Hope he is fired, or he somehow figures his job out in year 7 (which hey, that is a long-ass time - maybe he turns the switch)

 

[Ice-Tray]

I think the vast majority of people would agree he has poor communication skills, and I believe it is quite evident people think that. It is your personal opinion that he does not.

Not ridiculous at all, if I were to hire a sales rep and during all of his interviews he was nervous, awkward, and said stupid things, it would be a great indication of how he would perform in a customer-facing role. This dude doesn't speak like Shakespear behind closed doors, I'm sorry.

The whole job is stressful, and Dorion has a laundry list of horrible trades and signings that you can tangibly evaluate. All of which are executed through communication with other teams GMs and agents in high-pressure environments

Your third point is mute, I support the team - I am a "super fan" 100%. I support the team so much that I want a competent manager to help the team become a success so more fans can join in loving the team I love.

As a business, if you don't focus on those not buying your product you are absolutely and utterly clueless.

We have a 6-year track record to evaluate the GM. Any positive impact you believe he alone has had on the roster will only benefit an experienced executive.

Hope he is fired, or he somehow figures his job out in year 7 (which hey, that is a long-ass time - maybe he turns the switch)

PD is not a sales rep. He is the general manager of an NHL hockey team. His primary job is to build a winning team on the ice, not market the team to you. There is an entire department dedicated to doing that.

I don’t mind you thinking that lots of people think like you. It feels good, and in this echo chamber of misery it certainly can seem that way.

In reality most people don’t get bogged down in pettiness surround the looks, sounds, and public speaking abilities of the GM, they are fans for the hockey team.

I respect your opinion, but I think you’ve lost the plot, and I think that you will forever be frustrated because your beliefs on this issue don’t match reality, no matter who is in charge.

Ultimately, if PD does his job effectively we’ll continue to draft and develop well, and the team on the ice will be successful. If not, someone else will be given a shot, and on and on we’ll go.

The rest is just self serving noise from some vocal bitter entitled fans who feel they deserve some form of vengeance for the sad feelings they possess.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I think the vast majority of people would agree he has poor communication skills, and I believe it is quite evident people think that. It is your personal opinion that he does not.

Not ridiculous at all, if I were to hire a sales rep and during all of his interviews he was nervous, awkward, and said stupid things, it would be a great indication of how he would perform in a customer-facing role. This dude doesn't speak like Shakespear behind closed doors, I'm sorry.

The whole job is stressful, and Dorion has a laundry list of horrible trades and signings that you can tangibly evaluate. All of which are executed through communication with other teams GMs and agents in high-pressure environments

Your third point is mute, I support the team - I am a "super fan" 100%. I support the team so much that I want a competent manager to help the team become a success so more fans can join in loving the team I love.

As a business, if you don't focus on those not buying your product you are absolutely and utterly clueless.

We have a 6-year track record to evaluate the GM. Any positive impact you believe he alone has had on the roster will only benefit an experienced executive.

Hope he is fired, or he somehow figures his job out in year 7 (which hey, that is a long-ass time - maybe he turns the switch)

I certainly think they've caused a lot of damage to their own cause from poor communication, but not just from Dorion. It's been an organizational flaw since Murray left.

Nothing tops ol Saint Nick Rutkowski telling media and Ottawa fans to be excited because of the salary cap floor requires them to be at the minimum cap amount.

The whole facade about re-signing Karlsson and the town halls, while not being forthcoming with the real plans looks like a tremendously flawed plan in hindsight. What was all that about and why did they feel it was necessary or that it would in any way benefit them I will never understand. Want to trade Erik Karlsson and/or everyone else? Fine, but lets man up to the plate and also not throw them under the bus as a "broken core" when you aren't able to ice a decent lineup due to your internal budget and some of it mismanaged.

 

[Sens Vader]

PD is not a sales rep. He is the general manager of an NHL hockey team. His primary job is to build a winning team on the ice, not market the team to you. There is an entire department dedicated to doing that.

I don’t mind you thinking that lots of people think like you. It feels good, and in this echo chamber of misery it certainly can seem that way.

In reality most people don’t get bogged down in pettiness surround the looks, sounds, and public speaking abilities of the GM, they are fans for the hockey team.

I respect your opinion, but I think you’ve lost the plot, and I think that you will forever be frustrated because your beliefs on this issue don’t match reality, no matter who is in charge.

Ultimately, if PD does his job effectively we’ll continue to draft and develop well, and the team on the ice will be successful. If not, someone else will be given a shot, and on and on we’ll go.

The rest is just self serving noise from some vocal bitter entitled fans who feel they deserve some form of vengeance for the sad feelings they possess.

And the primary way to build a winning team and a successful organization is by selling your vision internally, selling your brand to your fanbase, selling your players and assets to other teams, and selling your organization to those players you want to retain or attract.

Selling tickets has a direct effect on the budget, a GM not active in promoting the team is not doing what is best to build a winning team in Ottawa

It does not feel good to see a blubbering moron represent your favorite NHL team.

Again, you are isolating the two and I think you are absolutely foolish to do so. The hockey team is directly influenced by those who run it. The team has also objectively not been successful on and off the ice.

If you wanna wear rose-colored glasses go ahead, I respect people who want to live in bubble wrap - bubble boy was one of my favorite movies.

I can support the team while addressing its weaknesses. I am not pouting in a corner, I am saying I would like to see change for the reasons I have laid out - but I'll be showing up in September regardless.

 

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And the primary way to build a winning team and a successful organization is by selling your vision internally, selling your brand to your fanbase, selling your players and assets to other teams, and selling your organization to those players you want to retain or attract.

Selling tickets has a direct effect on the budget, a GM not active in promoting the team is not doing what is best to build a winning team in Ottawa

It does not feel good to see a blubbering moron represent your favorite NHL team.

Again, you are isolating the two and I think you are absolutely foolish to do so. The hockey team is directly influenced by those who run it. The team has also objectively not been successful on and off the ice.

If you wanna wear rose-colored glasses go ahead, I respect people who want to live in bubble wrap - bubble boy was one of my favorite movies.

I can support the team while addressing its weaknesses. I am not pouting in a corner, I am saying I would like to see change for the reasons I have laid out - but I'll be showing up in September regardless.

We all have our particular tastes in movies I guess

All right man we’ve had a nice protracted back and forth. It’s been fun but let’s call it a day. We agree to disagree here, and we’re just running in circles.

Cheers!