Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part IX [Mod Warning in post 1)

[Sweatred]

In hindsight the smart move would have been to trade Stone the summer before but I doubt this market would have reacted well. Dorion just put off the inevitable crucifiction for 8 months.

Dorion and the Sens at held at gun point by the non attending fans and their billboards.

The city is full of negativity and every new action viewed as negative makes it harder to sell tickets.

This is a market that was 100% convinced trading EK was the end of the world and the stupidest thing Dorion could do.

 

[Sens Vader]

Cassidy fired too, a lot of good coaches out there

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Thought so...

 

[Micklebot]

In hindsight the smart move would have been to trade Stone the summer before but I doubt this market would have reacted well. Dorion just put off the inevitable crucifiction for 8 months.

No market reacts well to trading a popular player, but if you get good value back they move on much quicker. Trading Hossa wasn't popular, but the return was. Fans still complain about the stone trade because the return has been underwhelming. People have moved quickly on from the Pageau trade because the return met expectations. People aren't complaining about the Duchene trade either, again, in part because the return, we got a 1st, plus a condition first on him re-signing, and a couple decent prospects that didn't pan out.

Fans mostly understand you have to trade players from time to time, that doesn't mean they are going to be happy about it but they move on quicker when the return is commensurate. Maybe expectations for a stone trade weren't realistic, but I don't think sens fans or this market is unique in having high expectations for trades involving players that can command 8-9.5 mil a year contracts

 

[Sun God Nika]

Firing DJ and hiring Cassidy would be a bold move. But I think it needs to be done. I am not confident DJ is the coach that can take these guys to the next level but he was probably the best person to develop these guys and make them good players.

Cassidy being from Ottawa makes it realistic he might consider us and he is a respected coach amongst the league and the players.

 

[aragorn]

Or, nothing really happened and the Pierre’s were like peas in a pod… until PM got fired.

Or the board came to the conclusion that they couldn't afford both, didn't need both & Dorion was doing more than PM & decided to get rid of PM to save some cash.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Firing DJ and hiring Cassidy would be a bold move. But I think it needs to be done. I am not confident DJ is the coach that can take these guys to the next level but he was probably the best person to develop these guys and make them good players.

Cassidy being from Ottawa makes it realistic he might consider us and he is a respected coach amongst the league and the players.

Not sure I want a coach with a tight leash potentially limiting some of our higher end guys. Smith may not be the long-term solution but he's not an immediate problem IMO.

 

[aragorn]

Not sure I want a coach with a tight leash potentially limiting some of our higher end guys. Smith may not be the long-term solution but he's not an immediate problem IMO.

It's the same story with most experienced & successful coaches, they trust the older players more than the younger guys. Ottawa may also not be a good fit for experienced coaches who usually prefer more established teams.

 

[Sens Vader]

A coach that increases the standard of the team/organization is exactly what we need.

Dorion and DJ are losers

 

[Sweatred]

In hindsight the smart move would have been to trade Stone the summer before but I doubt this market would have reacted well. Dorion just put off the inevitable crucifiction for 8 months.

Really ? That’s about the same as trading Zub now … do you think we should trade him ? (Assuming he plays coy about an extension?)

 

[PlayOn]

Really ? That’s about the same as trading Zub now … do you think we should trade him ? (Assuming he plays coy about an extension?)

A bit different because the team was being blown up with or without Stone, so yeah we should’ve acted faster. We are pretty screwed if Zub walks with our RD situation so no way I’d even consider moving him til the deadline.

 

[Sweatred]

A bit different because the team was being blown up with or without Stone, so yeah we should’ve acted faster. We are pretty screwed if Zub walks with our RD situation so no way I’d even consider moving him til the deadline.

The idea was Stone may have been worth more in the summer - I don’t really believe that and I think the deadline is probably the right time (as we are inching towards a possible playoff birth).

 

[PlayOn]

The idea was Stone may have been worth more in the summer - I don’t really believe that and I think the deadline is probably the right time (as we are inching towards a possible playoff birth).

I don’t know either, for all we know we tried in the summer and didn’t get anything better. I think if we didn’t at least try it was a mistake, but I can understand why we wouldn’t try with Zub as we need to take steps forward this season.

 

[Sweatred]

I don’t know either, for all we know we tried in the summer and didn’t get anything better. I think if we didn’t at least try it was a mistake, but I can understand why we wouldn’t try with Zub as we need to take steps forward this season.

I agree - just think of the billboards when we trade Zub at the deadline and we are in a playoff position …

If he doesn’t have a contact by the deadline he’s gone….

 

[GCK]

Really ? That’s about the same as trading Zub now … do you think we should trade him ? (Assuming he plays coy about an extension?)

If Zub refuses to sign an extension this summer, then yes he should be dealt.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

If Zub refuses to sign an extension this summer, then yes he should be dealt.

Did he stay in Kanada for the summer?

 

[JackieDaytona]

If Zub refuses to sign an extension this summer, then yes he should be dealt.

You would hope that PD learned his lesson. If Zub is not interested in signing, then trade him, and don’t wait until literally the last hour of the trade deadline to do so so that any leverage you have is lost in terms of return value.

 

[JungleBeat]

Not sure I want a coach with a tight leash potentially limiting some of our higher end guys. Smith may not be the long-term solution but he's not an immediate problem IMO.

These young guys on the roster think everything is all sunshine and roses. They need someone to hold them accountable and isn’t a pushover.

Honestly Chabot seems to be the only core piece that is frustrated with losing. This coaching swap is a no brainer.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

These young guys on the roster think everything is all sunshine and roses. They need someone to hold them accountable and isn’t a pushover.

Honestly Chabot seems to be the only core piece that is frustrated with losing. This coaching swap is a no brainer.

Accountable, yes. To an unreasonable degree, no. If he's too much of a hardass for Boston's management I doubt we'd be pleased with the results.

Also, the news post-season was that both Chabot and Tkachuk had indicated to Dorion that they wanted improvements. They're the ones who spoke out about it (which you'd expect from players in leadership roles.) But I'd be surprised to find out they were lone wolves.

 

[OD99]

Or the board came to the conclusion that they couldn't afford both, didn't need both & Dorion was doing more than PM & decided to get rid of PM to save some cash.

PM gets paid regardless I would think. He had a year or 2 left on his contract. Doesn't save the team any money.

 

[Micklebot]

PM gets paid regardless I would think. He had a year or 2 left on his contract. Doesn't save the team any money.

I believe you are correct. Firing him only really makes sense of you think keeping him around is bad for the team. You have to think his voice in the room was contributing to poor decisions, or causing some sort of issue, otherwise why not just run out the contract and at least get some value out of the money.

It would be like firing Capuano right now and not replacing him. You don't do it unless you aren't happy with his performance.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

I believe you are correct. Firing him only really makes sense of you think keeping him around is bad for the team. You have to think his voice in the room was contributing to poor decisions, or causing some sort of issue, otherwise why not just run out the contract and at least get some value out of the money.

It would be like firing Capuano right now and not replacing him. You don't do it unless you aren't happy with his performance.

Unless there was a reason for firing where PM broke his contract.

 

[Big Muddy]

Or the board came to the conclusion that they couldn't afford both, didn't need both & Dorion was doing more than PM & decided to get rid of PM to save some cash.

Curious minds would like to know what happened behind the scenes with PM's firing. It's possible that the board thought this was a dysfunctional hiring (no clear role or reporting structure), or that PM didn't contribute that much. These are just guesses obviously.

 

[Tuna99]

Curious minds would like to know what happened behind the scenes with PM's firing. It's possible that the board thought this was a dysfunctional hiring (no clear role or reporting structure), or that PM didn't contribute that much. These are just guesses obviously.

Seeing how the NYR rebuild has gone and what Gordon is doing in Montreal now with massive culture changes at all levels of the organization with big names coming on at all levels, Ottawa focused on the firing of PM shows how behind and dysfunctional the team is.

Ottawa releases a tweet about supporting pride month and the fan base thinks it’s showing incredible progress, that’s how far behind Ottawa is. We do 1 tweet correctly and the fanbase rejoices, Montreal hires leaders and big baked at every level of the organization and it’s just another day for a well run team.

And montreal placed last this season, but so far ahead culturally it’s like they are in a different league from Dorion’s team

 

[HSF]

Really ? That’s about the same as trading Zub now … do you think we should trade him ? (Assuming he plays coy about an extension?)

If Zub is only willing to sign a 1 year extension then I think his motives are pretty obvious and should be traded