Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part IX [Mod Warning in post 1)

[Micklebot]

I seem to remember the team giving his camp permission, and I definitely remember the anger in this place about how we didn’t get a better an even better deal with an extension in place.

If I’m wrong on that I’ll totally stand corrected

We gave permission in advance with the Karlsson trade for sure, at least we did the second go around as the first Trade scare at the deadline with him was prior to him being eligible for an extension. but for the stone one, I don't recall seeing anything. There was a rumour that George McPhee pulled a fast one on Dorion by negotiating the trade and then last minute telling Dorion he wouldn't finalize it without an extension in place, that seems to be plausible based on the timings laid out in Lebrun article and how he described the events, but I've yet to see any confirmation. People had assumed the trade was under the understanding that it was with an extension in place prior to negotiating it because of how quickly Stone signed after it was completed, but I've yet to see anything that confirms VGK little lone all the teams we given permission to pre-negoation an extension before a trade in principal was agreed on. In fact, the various articles I've seen suggest the only negotiation happened after the deal was made in principal.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Shit like this is the shining example of the annoying Sens fan. Dorion is a complete buffoon in interviews, but to see Sens Twitter fans nitpicking what was clearly a joke as a response to a very lighthearted question that has nothing to do with hockey is just plain stupid. Like pick your battles, when you whine about literally everything the man says, it's hard to take genuine complaints as seriously.

You see this as a complaint? lol whatever. People are having a laugh at his expense... So what?

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

You see this as a complaint? lol whatever. People are having a laugh at his expense... So what?

Yeah, I see as whining.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

You see this as a complaint? lol whatever. People are having a laugh at his expense... So what?

I see it as harassment and abusive online behaviour.

The guy can’t say anything without people saying he is an idiot or worse. Pure toxic behaviour… sad.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I see it harassment and abusive online behaviour.

The guy can’t say anything without people saying he is an idiot or worse. Pure toxic behaviour… sad.

Consistent with your protectionist attitude regarding Dorion. I think you're take exaggerates it calling it harassment.. or abuse or toxic or sad. I think its no where near that serious. Its like making fun of We're a team. Dorion is very poor at public engagement and he tries to be funny some times and in this case he was.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Public figures face scrutiny. More news at 11.

 

[Sweatred]

In fact, the various articles I've seen suggest the only negotiation happened after the deal was made in principal.

This is an irrelevant point - even if there was an article that stated this it’s only as credible as the relationship between the GM and source. As we know most media partners report what they are told to report unless they are willing to take an adversial role … which cuts them off from reliable info.

I’d like to see your source -

So, either way… this is an empty, unproven, unsupported, unverified point.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Looking at the oil I want to make sure we stay balance across 4 lines and 6 pairs and not get too top heavy. If we can get Norris and Stu in for around 8 each between the two of them long term, we’ll be in good position.

Chabot, Zub, Sanderson on the back end. Our depth is starting to fill out.

Giroux as a UFA, and a good Defensive D to join Zub. Keep the pick, bring another 1-2 kids on board.

I really am starting to come around to not wanting to trade the pick this year. I also don’t really want to trade them any of Grieg, Boucher, Ostapchuk, Pinto, Kleven, JBD, or Tompson.

So what can I realistically expect to happen beyond UFAs and cheap gambles….

I’m just glad someone else has to make the decisions lol.

 

[Micklebot]

This is an irrelevant point - even if there was an article that stated this it’s only as credible as the relationship between the GM and source. As we know most media partners report what they are told to report unless they are willing to take an adversial role … which cuts them off from reliable info.

I’d like to see your source -

So, either way… this is an empty, unproven, unsupported, unverified point.

I've posted a few already, the most in depth being Lebruns on the Athletic

You've gotten to the point that GMs like Talon being quoted as saying outright we just liked their offer better and he believes they could have extended Stone had we chosen Florida's offer, and reputable journalists like Lebrun passing on what he was told about specifically how events unfolded doesn't matter, you'll still choose to believe what you want, evidence be damned, you'll even dismiss the lack of evidence to support your position as irrelevant. It's pretty clear there's no real point trying to convince you otherwise, you aren't interested in knowing what happened you just want to use a likely false narrative to justify the return.

 

[Sweatred]

I've posted a few already, the most in depth being Lebruns on the Athletic

You've gotten to the point that GMs like Talon being quoted as saying outright we just liked their offer better and he believes they could have extended Stone had we chosen Florida's offer, and reputable journalists like Lebrun passing on what he was told about specifically how events unfolded doesn't matter, you'll still choose to believe what you want, evidence be damned, you'll even dismiss the lack of evidence to support your position as irrelevant. It's pretty clear there's no real point trying to convince you otherwise, you aren't interested in knowing what happened you just want to use a likely false narrative to justify the return.

Every criticism you label me with (other than the personal ones I refuse to respond too) you use in your own arguments supporting your “Management is always wrong” and “Anti fan support” positions you’ve entrenched yourself in.

I must admit you write a wonderful argument to support your unique view of being a Sens fan.

 

[bert]

And with responses like that you may need another one.

You opened up this can of worms. Unprovoked, hope you can resolve whatever you're dealing with. If its through conflict on the internet then so be it.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

The NHL doesn’t report on NTC activations or player contract refusals… it’s foolish to apply your logic that you since you can’t prove they happen that they DONT occur.

Listen to Methot or any of the z players on media … they scoff at that type of stuff.

I didn’t argue that players never execute NTCs or that they never effectively nix trades by not signing an extension…. I argued that I don’t believe it happened in this case.

We’re at an impasse though… you believe Stone would only go to Vegas based on logic that I can’t follow, while I’ve presented my best argument that Dorion chose the Vegas deal and you don’t believe it.

One thing we can agree on though — it’s bad to look foolish on a hockey forum!

 

[BankStreetParade]

I recently read an article talking about the power struggle between Dorion and Mcguire. If it's true, holy crap the Sens really need to can this guy asap. Article is from Hockey buzz, though. Not sure if it's been posted here before:

HockeyBuzz.com - Kevin Francis - The real story behind the Pierre McGuire firing!

No offense but this reads like a Reddit post.

These talks were going to be air tight shut so Mr. Melnyk could speak with McGuire in detail about both the direction and approach of the team as he was tired of the DJ Smith and Dorion show with how neither was held accountable to his standards.

This part in particular makes no f***ing sense. Who would they be held accountable to if not the owner of the goddamn team himself? There might be some aspects of this that are true but it's impossible to say what's what in this turd of an "article".

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Every criticism you label me with (other than the personal ones I refuse to respond too) you use in your own arguments supporting your “Management is always wrong” and “Anti fan support” positions you’ve entrenched yourself in.

I must admit you write a wonderful argument to support your unique view of being a Sens fan.

rich

 

[Burrowsaurus]

You opened up this can of worms. Unprovoked, hope you can resolve whatever you're dealing with. If its through conflict on the internet then so be it.

Dude what on earth are you talking about lol

What can of worms?

What conflict?

 

[bert]

Dude what on earth are you talking about lol

What can of worms?

What conflict?

The unprovoked argument you started..... Grow up you coward and read the thread.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

The unprovoked argument you started..... Grow up you coward and read the thread.

The 45 minutes thing? Just a joke dude. I apologize if I offended you. I don’t see this as much of an argument.

 

[Silencio]

On the one hand, it's Kevin "Ottawa is all in on Jack Eichel" Francis....lol.

On the other hand, I can definitely believe that Dorion felt threatened by McGuire's hockey knowledge/experience and network of NHL contacts and went out of his way to undermine him at every opportunity.

 

[BondraTime]

On the one hand, it's Kevin "Ottawa is all in on Jack Eichel" Francis....lol.

On the other hand, I can definitely believe that Dorion flet threatened by McGuire's hockey knowledge/experience and network of NHL contacts and went out of his way to undermine him at every opportunity.

Take any single Sens HF poster at random, let them make up things based on believable scenarios from “sources” that are unprovable under the cloak of anonymity, and you have someone who is at the very least as connected to the Sens as Francis.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

On the one hand, it's Kevin "Ottawa is all in on Jack Eichel" Francis....lol.

On the other hand, I can definitely believe that Dorion felt threatened by McGuire's hockey knowledge/experience and network of NHL contacts and went out of his way to undermine him at every opportunity.

I don’t know which one is funnier.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

 

[Cosmix]

On the one hand, it's Kevin "Ottawa is all in on Jack Eichel" Francis....lol.

On the other hand, I can definitely believe that Dorion felt threatened by McGuire's hockey knowledge/experience and network of NHL contacts and went out of his way to undermine him at every opportunity.

I believe, based on Dorion's comments when Maguire was hired, to the effect that Mr. Melnyk told Dorion that Maguire would report to Dorion, that Dorion probably did feel threatened or in jeopardy of losing his job.

Maguire probably had the ear of Melnyk and Dorion probably did not like that situation as Dorion wants to be the boss of those below him. The fact that Dorion fired Maguire soon after Melnyk died is in line with that suspicion.

Hopefully the senior management of the team will soon fire Dorion and hire a competent GM.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

I believe, based on Dorion's comments when Maguire was hired, to the effect that Mr. Melnyk told Dorion that Maguire would report to Dorion, that Dorion probably did feel threatened or in jeopardy of losing his job.

Maguire probably had the ear of Melnyk and Dorion probably did not like that situation as Dorion wants to be the boss of those below him. The fact that Dorion fired Maguire soon after Melnyk died is in line with that suspicion.

Hopefully the senior management of the team will soon fire Dorion and hire a competent GM.

Or, nothing really happened and the Pierre’s were like peas in a pod… until PM got fired.

 

[GCK]

the manager should have seen it coming with the 1 year deal to UFA

you even agreed with that

In hindsight the smart move would have been to trade Stone the summer before but I doubt this market would have reacted well. Dorion just put off the inevitable crucifiction for 8 months.

 

[GCK]

They should have traded him before he signed that one year deal. He was at his greatest value when he would have been able to be signed long term immediately with his new team.

If he wouldn't sign a long term deal, he should have been moved. Made no sense to keep him when you know the team wasn't going to compete unless Melnyk ordered Dorion to keep him around in a futile attempt to sell tickets.

Assen na yo!

I think you may be on to something.