Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part IX [Mod Warning in post 1)
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Read the article and couldn't really understand the conflict. His agent doesn't represent any hockey players and is not even a certified hockey agent. Why would this be a conflict of interest?
BonHoonLayneCornell
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Could this just have been a nudge from the Leafs to ask them to look into it? I'd imagine they're a bit concerned about Matthew's status and the relationship there.
If he works for the same organization as Matthews' agent, there's a potential conflict of interest there.
It's the only way I can wrap my head around Dubas giving Matthews a 5YR extension at 11.6M per.
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They would have internal firewalls set up.
Wasserman is a MASSIVE agency. This sort of thing is inevitable.
So he wouldn't be able to get representation from any agency that also has a current Maple Leafs player under representation? That's kinda crazy, no? Would he also have to switch agents in the future if he traded for a player represented by the same agency? Can he hire any coaches represented by the same agency? You see how ridiculous this is becoming?
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It comes down to the NHLPA wanting to protect the interests of its players, and despite not writing their regulations properly to do so (surprise surprise that the NHLPA screwed something up...) They aren't comfortable with an agency representing both sides, likely for fear of an agent passing Intel to the other side.
Basically they don't trust that agents at Wasserman won't talk shop at the Watercooler and have it get back to Dubas through his agent.
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The way I understand it is no agency representing players in the NHL can be certified if they also represent front office guys. The agency has to pick one, or at least that's how the NHLPA wants their regulations to be interpreted
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Micklebot
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Yeah, I don't disagree, but that's what the NHLPA seems to want...
No, the rule is no agent representing players in the NHL can be certified. The gist of the article is whether there's a conflict of interest because the agent works at an agency that represents NHLers, in this case Matthews. Dubas' agent is not a certified player agent in the NHL and therefore there should be no conflict of interest.
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Micklebot
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I know what the rules say, in my other reply to you I pointed out that they didn't actually draft it to match how they seem to want it interpreted, at the end of the day though, they control who they certify so they likely will be amending their regulations to align with their interpretation.
For that agent, no. For that agency, potentially yes. However, I suspect that the net result will be discussion, consideration and then development of new "written guidelines".
FunkySeeFunkyDoo
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The voters clearly weren’t factoring the all important “Deserve-to-win-ometer “Not to mention Presidents!
I see that GM of the Year finalists have been announced. Dorion is not on it.
The following information is courtesy of poster DesertedPenguin from the Pittsburgh Penguins HFBoards forum:
forums.hfboards.com
Elloitte Friedman says he thinks the Penguins are willing to wait on Dubas over the holiday weekend. He believes it's Dubas' job if he wants it, but it's not closed yet. He noted he believes a chunk of FSG is at the Grand Prix in Monaco this weekend, so if they need to sign off or be involved in-person, that's another reason for a possible delay to next week.
Friedman added that if it's not Dubas, he believes Mathieu Darche is still involved but is not sure if he's the only one.
He and Marek both talked about the possibility of Dubas still keeping an eye on Ottawa and just how long the Penguins are willing to wait for a decision.
Confirmed with Link: - It's Started! (Management firings)
Is all of this any surprise in Pittsburgh and the sport of Hockey and its media? There has always been very few legit media sources when it comes to Hockey and this town. Everyone is all up the Steelers asses and when they need something to talk about they will come up with some click bait...
Elloitte Friedman says he thinks the Penguins are willing to wait on Dubas over the holiday weekend. He believes it's Dubas' job if he wants it, but it's not closed yet. He noted he believes a chunk of FSG is at the Grand Prix in Monaco this weekend, so if they need to sign off or be involved in-person, that's another reason for a possible delay to next week.
Friedman added that if it's not Dubas, he believes Mathieu Darche is still involved but is not sure if he's the only one.
He and Marek both talked about the possibility of Dubas still keeping an eye on Ottawa and just how long the Penguins are willing to wait for a decision.
32 Thoughts: The Podcast
Hockey fans already know the name, but this is not the blog. From Sportsnet, 32 Thoughts: The Podcast with NHL Insider Elliotte Friedman & Kyle Bukauskas is a weekly deep dive into the biggest news and interviews from the hockey world.
www.sportsnet.ca
Golden_Jet
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Be wary with Freidman, when he says he believes vs I’m hearing.The following information is courtesy of poster DesertedPenguin from the Pittsburgh Penguins HFBoards forum:
Confirmed with Link: - It's Started! (Management firings)
Is all of this any surprise in Pittsburgh and the sport of Hockey and its media? There has always been very few legit media sources when it comes to Hockey and this town. Everyone is all up the Steelers asses and when they need something to talk about they will come up with some click bait...
Elloitte Friedman says he thinks the Penguins are willing to wait on Dubas over the holiday weekend. He believes it's Dubas' job if he wants it, but it's not closed yet. He noted he believes a chunk of FSG is at the Grand Prix in Monaco this weekend, so if they need to sign off or be involved in-person, that's another reason for a possible delay to next week.
Friedman added that if it's not Dubas, he believes Mathieu Darche is still involved but is not sure if he's the only one.
He and Marek both talked about the possibility of Dubas still keeping an eye on Ottawa and just how long the Penguins are willing to wait for a decision.
32 Thoughts: The Podcast
Hockey fans already know the name, but this is not the blog. From Sportsnet, 32 Thoughts: The Podcast with NHL Insider Elliotte Friedman & Kyle Bukauskas is a weekly deep dive into the biggest news and interviews from the hockey world.www.sportsnet.ca
It seems like a safe bet to say what he said.
Dubas will likely be hired by Pittsburgh but if he's not or if Pittsburgh takes its time then it could very well by Ottawa as soon as the new owners are decided. There aren't a lot of vacancies and Dubas is the most high profile candidate. From the sounds of the bids most have advisers or POHO type people lined up but no GM at this stage.
It's just the fancy insider-but-not-an-insider way to hedge your bets. That's not to bash Friedman but how much do any of these guys really know and can release? I'm sure they have relationship. I'm also sure executives and decision makers in organizations like Toronto and elsewhere have been briefed on how to deal with media.
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Alfredsson could walk in and from month 1 start outperforming Dorion as GM imo.
If Ottawa does not get Dubas, then perhaps we can get Darche.The following information is courtesy of poster DesertedPenguin from the Pittsburgh Penguins HFBoards forum:
Confirmed with Link: - It's Started! (Management firings)
Is all of this any surprise in Pittsburgh and the sport of Hockey and its media? There has always been very few legit media sources when it comes to Hockey and this town. Everyone is all up the Steelers asses and when they need something to talk about they will come up with some click bait...
Elloitte Friedman says he thinks the Penguins are willing to wait on Dubas over the holiday weekend. He believes it's Dubas' job if he wants it, but it's not closed yet. He noted he believes a chunk of FSG is at the Grand Prix in Monaco this weekend, so if they need to sign off or be involved in-person, that's another reason for a possible delay to next week.
Friedman added that if it's not Dubas, he believes Mathieu Darche is still involved but is not sure if he's the only one.
He and Marek both talked about the possibility of Dubas still keeping an eye on Ottawa and just how long the Penguins are willing to wait for a decision.
32 Thoughts: The Podcast
Hockey fans already know the name, but this is not the blog. From Sportsnet, 32 Thoughts: The Podcast with NHL Insider Elliotte Friedman & Kyle Bukauskas is a weekly deep dive into the biggest news and interviews from the hockey world.www.sportsnet.ca
JungleBeat
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Imagine Dorion got actual good rentals instead of Stalberg and Burrows for a playoff run. The Sens could have been Stanley Cup champs.
Both of those rentals were pretty good on our budget actually.
What you mean to dream about is imagine if EM let Dorion spend to the cap for those years…..
Dream away my friend…..
Agent Zuuuub
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Burrows made 2.5 million and he was so cooked that he chose to walk away from the contract rather than finish it.
Stalberg was good though.
Samsquanch
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Even if hes not holding out for Ottawa, Dubas would be stupid to go to the Penguins - who wants to be the captain of a sinking ship? Even if its a really famous one....That has to be one of the least desirable jobs in hockey right now.
The team is already being run by the old veteran players and their coach who haven't realized yet they cant/wont ever win as a group together again. And they aren't allowed to be moved either.... And they're all committed to not rebuilding and will instead continue to mortgage their future.
He would have even less freedom than he was used to in Toronto. He would inherit a barren prospect pool and have no real valuable assets that he's allowed to trade, other than more future picks.... And so his team will realistically be 5-10 years from being relevant again (considering they probably have another couple years before they actually just fall apart at the seams).
Like seriously it's as bleak an outlook as it gets for a young GM thats highly sought after. Give the Penguins job to a savvy old vet GM who gives no f***s about his future in the league, or about the future of the team after he and the core players go down swinging.
And I'll be shocked if Dubas doesn't also see it that way.
The team is already being run by the old veteran players and their coach who haven't realized yet they cant/wont ever win as a group together again. And they aren't allowed to be moved either.... And they're all committed to not rebuilding and will instead continue to mortgage their future.
He would have even less freedom than he was used to in Toronto. He would inherit a barren prospect pool and have no real valuable assets that he's allowed to trade, other than more future picks.... And so his team will realistically be 5-10 years from being relevant again (considering they probably have another couple years before they actually just fall apart at the seams).
Like seriously it's as bleak an outlook as it gets for a young GM thats highly sought after. Give the Penguins job to a savvy old vet GM who gives no f***s about his future in the league, or about the future of the team after he and the core players go down swinging.
And I'll be shocked if Dubas doesn't also see it that way.
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