Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part IX [Mod Warning in post 1)

[Tuna99]

Kyle Dubas is Prince Harry.

Kyle Dubas certainly has branded himself as a some family man who can’t go to work without hugging his wife every morning.

Don’t find that genuine - if the NYR called right now and offered him the GM job he’d be doing an interview in Madison Square gardens today broadcast into Tike Square.

I get it, the Leafs offer you million and you leave and there has to be a rational reason - his job is high profile everywhere. Brendan Shanahan built a giant mansion when he was a young star and made the house mostly out of glass so people could see him, he likes the spotlight. Dubas does too so I don’t find him honest at this time, you don’t have glasses and perfect hair like Dubas does unless you want the spotlight and you don’t Prince Harry it by doing more media to complain about how hard the media is on you and release statements unless you want your story out there.

Dubas isn’t a fraud, his ego is inflated from being a Toronto sports figure for so long and he thinks we care about his brand. When your brand isn’t winning it becomes family, and when you don’t winning or a family you have a “girlfriend”

 

[Hockeysawks]

All GMs make mistakes unfortunately you won't be getting a Brisbois right now.

Dubas is a good executive and forward thinking when building out his departments in Toronto. He is a good option in a very very limited pool of people with experience. Disagree that there are many better options with experience out there

Hes a serious hustler I give him props for that. Doug Maclean said he met Kyle when he was GM of the Soo. He knew a guy that set up a lunch meeting. Dubas asked how not to get fired.
Pick Dougs brain a bit and flatter him like he helped build the team

The hooks were set, Dubas was now in position to make a move. "Hey thanks for saving my job if you know anyone who wants to come to the playoffs tell them they can sit with us."

 

[Tuna99]

I think Dorion should be given a special assignment to scout amateur players until he finds another job with another team.

Stefan Noessen = Corey Perry

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

What? Many do. Tavares did. Happens in basketball all the time. Take less to go to a contender, hometown, etc. It's the exception not the rule, without a doubt, and obviously there's limits, but to say never is foolish.

I took less to work with my Brother than I was getting for a big telecomms corp. No ragrets.

As for the rest, I'm not too interested in arguing for Dubas, was just trying to provide some context for why some may feel they want a change from Dorion, regardless who that is.

Tavares’s contract was structured in a way, to maximize his “take home” pay and avoid the high combined Ontario/Federal income taxes rules…. And by remaining as a US resident, together he, at the time became the highest “take home paid” NHL, so no, he did not take less.

John Tavares Could Save Nearly $12 Million In Taxes On His New Contract

Canada may have high tax rates but careful planning could save Tavares millions as he plays for his hometown team.

www.forbes.com

How Much Do NHL Players Really Make? Part 2: Taxes

Although published NHL salaries may seem exorbitant at times, players’ annual income is subject to a number of withholdings that limit their take-home pay. As we explained in Part 1 of this series,…

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[hockeywiz542]

32 Thoughts: What's next for Leafs, Flames after front office changes

In his latest, Elliotte Friedman shares his thoughts on the Maple Leafs moving on from Kyle Dubas, what big decisions face Craig Conroy in Calgary, and more.

www.sportsnet.ca

1. Dubas is at the top of Pittsburgh’s managerial wish list, assuming he and family are ready to make the move. There have already been discussions. The Penguins are prepared to give him a bit of time to consider. When it comes to Ottawa, it will be interesting to see if the winning bidder has already committed to any particular hockey operations leader, including the people already in place. There are suspected links for all four prospective owners, but nothing is done until it’s done.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Tavares’s contract was structured in a way, to maximize his “take home” pay and avoid the high combined Ontario/Federal income taxes rules…. And by remaining as a US resident, together he, at the time became the highest “take home paid” NHL, so no, he did not take less.

John Tavares Could Save Nearly $12 Million In Taxes On His New Contract

Canada may have high tax rates but careful planning could save Tavares millions as he plays for his hometown team.

www.forbes.com

How Much Do NHL Players Really Make? Part 2: Taxes

Although published NHL salaries may seem exorbitant at times, players’ annual income is subject to a number of withholdings that limit their take-home pay. As we explained in Part 1 of this series,…

hockey-graphs.com

I meant the higher SJ offer. He took less to go to Toronto. Like many other players have done for various reasons.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Judge orders law firm to hand over records, evidence on alleged Hockey Canada assault | TSN

A Toronto law firm hired by Hockey Canada to investigate an alleged sexual assault in June 2018 involving World Juniors players and a woman identified in court records as E.M. has been ordered by a London, Ont., judge to turn over all of its findings on the incident, newly unsealed court...

www.tsn.ca

 

[Mingus Dew]

Judge orders law firm to hand over records, evidence on alleged Hockey Canada assault | TSN

A Toronto law firm hired by Hockey Canada to investigate an alleged sexual assault in June 2018 involving World Juniors players and a woman identified in court records as E.M. has been ordered by a London, Ont., judge to turn over all of its findings on the incident, newly unsealed court...

www.tsn.ca

This appears to be coming to a head.

I think there will be charges laid.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

This appears to be coming to a head.

I think there will be charges laid.

I've had the feeling they are waiting for the season to be completely over.

 

[Johnny Hanson]

Judge orders law firm to hand over records, evidence on alleged Hockey Canada assault | TSN

A Toronto law firm hired by Hockey Canada to investigate an alleged sexual assault in June 2018 involving World Juniors players and a woman identified in court records as E.M. has been ordered by a London, Ont., judge to turn over all of its findings on the incident, newly unsealed court...

www.tsn.ca

Why did you quote an article from 5 months ago?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Why did you quote an article from 5 months ago?

This came up a couple times in my timeline; I thought there was some sort of update on it. I missed the date on the actual article. Can you forgive me?

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

And suddenly it will be July 1st and we still won’t know if AF is “signable” for next season. Not ideal.

 

[BankStreetParade]

I've had the feeling they are waiting for the season to be completely over.

God, I hope that's not the case. They'll just be giving ammo to the idea that the business of hockey is more important than an investigation into a sexual assault. It's compounding the narrative that professional male athletes get special treatment because of their status and that the entertainment of professional sports supersedes the criminal behaviour of its participants.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

God, I hope that's not the case. They'll just be giving ammo to the idea that the business of hockey is more important than an investigation into a sexual assault. It's compounding the narrative that professional male athletes get special treatment because of their status and that the entertainment of professional sports supersedes the criminal behaviour of its participants.

Well, it's not really an idea or a narrative, it's been the literal truth that professional athletes have had a different set of standards for them compared to the general public, just like celebrities. Agreed it needs to change.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

God, I hope that's not the case. They'll just be giving ammo to the idea that the business of hockey is more important than an investigation into a sexual assault. It's compounding the narrative that professional male athletes get special treatment because of their status and that the entertainment of professional sports supersedes the criminal behaviour of its participants.

just a guess , not that I condone it.

 

[BankStreetParade]

just a guess , not that I condone it.

No no, not saying you condone it. My post is adding on to your thoughts, not framing them.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Judge orders law firm to hand over records, evidence on alleged Hockey Canada assault | TSN

A Toronto law firm hired by Hockey Canada to investigate an alleged sexual assault in June 2018 involving World Juniors players and a woman identified in court records as E.M. has been ordered by a London, Ont., judge to turn over all of its findings on the incident, newly unsealed court...

www.tsn.ca

That’s from last December

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

No no, not saying you condone it. My post is adding on to your thoughts, not framing them.

I thought so but just wanted to make sure. Things can escalate quickly if taken the wrong way.

That’s from last December

really?

 

[Golden_Jet]

I thought so but just wanted to make sure. Things can escalate quickly if taken the wrong way.

really?

Ya really, nothing new to see, same old same old, that everyone read 6 months ago.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Ya really, nothing new to see, same old same old, that everyone read 6 months ago.

Article was, but tweets were from today.

 

[Ralph Malfredsson]

Yeah, he did such a fantastic job with essentially an unlimited budget, the ability to hire as many management personal, bury as many contracts as needed, fire and continue to pay as many coaches as he felt, trade for anyone he wanted and all the other trappings that go with the arguably the NHLs flagship franchise……. It would be such an easy move for him to come into the perhaps smallest Canadian Market, with all off the constraints that go along with that, and see how he would fail here, as he did in Toronto with all of those assets he had there, that are not available in Ottawa.

In short, he was an OHL GM, that sat beside Lou Lamoriello for a few seasons, and was handed the keys to the franchise over Lou Lamoriello, and with all of those advantages, failed.

I mean, aside from these well argued points, man it'd be great if we landed Dubas.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

I mean, aside from these well argued points, man it'd be great if we landed Dubas.

Because he was sooooo successful in Toronto with all the advantages that he would not have here…. He’s a glorified OHL GM, and was handed the keys to the leafs, and accomplished nothing… besides painting them into a corner.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Because he was sooooo successful in Toronto with all the advantages that he would not have here…. He’s a glorified OHL GM, and was handed the keys to the leafs, and accomplished nothing… besides painting them into a corner.

I'm not endorsing him, but it's not that black and white. It's been a mix of good and bad, like Dorion. Their core is obviously the problem there. Whether or not he was allowed to trade them under Shanahan appears to be in question. Playoff appearances every year under his tenure after the first couple seasons.

Getting Murray was dumb af, but it seems like he has a way out of that with buyout or ltir and Samsonov being as good and as cheap as he was made it sort of irrelevant this year.

 

[Ouroboros]

Dream front office:

POHO - Nick Kypreos
GM - Gord Stellick
AGM - Jeff O'Neill
AGM - Glenn Healy
Spartacat - Justin Bourne

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Dream front office:

POHO - Nick Kypreos
GM - Gord Stellick
AGM - Jeff O'Neill
AGM - Glenn Healy
Spartacat - Justin Bourne

For PR, can we also bring back Nick Rutkowski (or whatever his name was) to tell fans how comforted and excited they should be that there's a salary cap floor the team is required to spend to?!?!