DarkKnight
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Acquiring a Foligno wasn’t a mistake, acquiring a damaged goods Foligno, now that’s a terrible move for the price. We still don’t know, but returns so far suggest the latter.
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I think Dubas has done a fantastic job rebuilding our defense. I think he's done a fantastic job at the drafting table. Finding Campbell was a brilliant move and solved our goaltending question. He overpaid the core, but it's not his fault that they (I'm mostly looking at Marner here) fail to deliver in the playoffs. How many young superstars fail in the playoffs? Not many, and I don't think it's his fault that he got the dud. I don't have a problem with Dubas trying one more year with this core, he did a great job fixing the most obvious issue in our defense and got us a goalie, that should have been more than enough. And giving up too early on 23 year old superstars would be the dumbest mistake in the history of hockey if it blew up in our faces. Trading Marner too early would make the Rask trade look like a steal in our favour. But if we lose this series it is clearly untenable and it's time for the big shakeup. I'm comfortable with Dubas being the one who shakes up the core. He's shown that he's not afraid to go big and get his guy. I have faith in that.
I literally do not care if we keep Keefe or not. He's been fine as coach and failed in others. Two coaches now have failed to motivate this team, a hard ass and a player's guy so again I think the issue is with a dud of a core. There's good decisions and bad decisions, and every coach in the league has those. I just don't see much of a case either way and I don't care. To me, it's all about the players. Keefe, keep him or not, is not the one holding them back. And if these guys need a magic unicorn coach to get them playing hard then it's a problem with the f***ing players.
Whoever manages the PP should be fired with all possible haste. I'd fire that guy right this instant if it were up to me, hire someone as a consultant for game 7.
I literally do not care if we keep Keefe or not. He's been fine as coach and failed in others. Two coaches now have failed to motivate this team, a hard ass and a player's guy so again I think the issue is with a dud of a core. There's good decisions and bad decisions, and every coach in the league has those. I just don't see much of a case either way and I don't care. To me, it's all about the players. Keefe, keep him or not, is not the one holding them back. And if these guys need a magic unicorn coach to get them playing hard then it's a problem with the f***ing players.
Whoever manages the PP should be fired with all possible haste. I'd fire that guy right this instant if it were up to me, hire someone as a consultant for game 7.
I'm really interested to see what happens with him in the offseason given he has ties to the Leafs and really would be leaving on a lowpoint.
I wouldn't be shocked to see him re-sign and give it a go over a full season.
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I wish we had kept Lou and hired Trotz as coach
Mats13
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Keefe is either afraid to bench Thornton or he actually thinks he’s playing well
Both of these options is equally insane (the latter is probably worse).
Idk I liked Keefe until this, but if Thornton plays game 7, I’ve given up on him as a coach.
Both of these options is equally insane (the latter is probably worse).
Idk I liked Keefe until this, but if Thornton plays game 7, I’ve given up on him as a coach.
If we kept Lou we'd have Marner on a 9m deal but Thornton would be making 2.5m for 2 more years, so are we really ahead in that scenario?
Hell yeah to Trotz though.
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I’m just afraid management pulls the ol’ we didn’t have JT in the lineup get out core jail free card.
When seriously the 3 Amigos plus Rielly should be enough to win a 7 games series against the AHL Habs any day of the week.
When seriously the 3 Amigos plus Rielly should be enough to win a 7 games series against the AHL Habs any day of the week.
Bomber0104
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This post aged well
Fact of the matter is Keefe has been absolutely terrible this playoff series, in fact, worse than the play-in round last year when Torts completely schooled him.
And don't even get me started on Dubas.
hamzarocks
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Welp just when I was starting to enjoy Dubas, we find ourselves on verge of becoming the laughing stock of the league again.
I can't watch game 7, but really am hoping the boys pull through and the team which is a contender in all but mentality can continue the quest for the cup. End the 2004 curse. This is a good team, Dubas has done a good job, but we are in year 3 now and we need results from him and the players.
I can't watch game 7, but really am hoping the boys pull through and the team which is a contender in all but mentality can continue the quest for the cup. End the 2004 curse. This is a good team, Dubas has done a good job, but we are in year 3 now and we need results from him and the players.
rumman
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ownership has to clean house regardless of the outcome of game 7 is. This team needs a heart transplant, and that's on everyone from the President on down.........
Agreed. Foligno was damaged goods and they overpaid.
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56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
This post aged well
Fact of the matter is Keefe has been absolutely terrible this playoff series, in fact, worse than the play-in round last year when Torts completely schooled him.
And don't even get me started on Dubas.
The buck stops at Shanny. It was his decision to replace "his" GM and coach with rookies.
rumman
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ultimately it's on the President, ownership, must acknowledge everything from the president down hasn't worked thus far.........
5v5
Fogilno Matthews Nylander
Hymen Kerfoot Marner
Mik Spezza Engvall
Gally Brooks Simmonds
Split M&M
Promote Nylander n Spezza since they have a pulse.ose Thornton because he is just done.
Demote Gally because of poor puck decisions.
PP 1
Simmonds - Net
Spezza - Centre
Nylander & Matthews - Offwing Flanks
Brodie
PP2
Hymen - Net
Kerfoot - Centre
Marner & Matthews - offwing flanks
Muzzin/Sandin
Matthews plays full 2 like Ovi. Promote the players who have a pulse in Nylander n Spezza. Only Dmen with actual point shots. NO THORNTON. I like Simmonds in front more than Hymen.
Fogilno Matthews Nylander
Hymen Kerfoot Marner
Mik Spezza Engvall
Gally Brooks Simmonds
Split M&M
Promote Nylander n Spezza since they have a pulse.ose Thornton because he is just done.
Demote Gally because of poor puck decisions.
PP 1
Simmonds - Net
Spezza - Centre
Nylander & Matthews - Offwing Flanks
Brodie
PP2
Hymen - Net
Kerfoot - Centre
Marner & Matthews - offwing flanks
Muzzin/Sandin
Matthews plays full 2 like Ovi. Promote the players who have a pulse in Nylander n Spezza. Only Dmen with actual point shots. NO THORNTON. I like Simmonds in front more than Hymen.
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Stonehands1990
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Neither of them can skate. They’re starting their shifts tired. This is what happened last year against CBJ as well. Keefe is a terrible coach
If you think He’s a terrible coach just Google what Kyle had to say he made it sound like losing was OK you’ll find it if you Google it
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So inspiring:
"It’s so hard in any sport to say that it’s X or bust. I know there’s a lot of talk about winning a playoff round or bust, or winning a Stanley Cup or bust, but I don’t, uh, I think those can be very day-to-day-type endeavours and I think especially in this role it has to be more long term and can’t get caught up in how the short-run results impact that, and it’s about trying to build a program that can be a team that has a high level or performance every single year …”
"It’s so hard in any sport to say that it’s X or bust. I know there’s a lot of talk about winning a playoff round or bust, or winning a Stanley Cup or bust, but I don’t, uh, I think those can be very day-to-day-type endeavours and I think especially in this role it has to be more long term and can’t get caught up in how the short-run results impact that, and it’s about trying to build a program that can be a team that has a high level or performance every single year …”
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If I may... I think he's saying that if you think the coach is bad... have a listen to the GM
Mats13
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I just don’t understand how anyone can criticize Dubas for this.
We have two franchise centres. We needed defence he went a got us defence. We needed goaltending and he went and got that. We needed grit and he went and got that.
On paper this team is good. That’s all a GM can do.
Keefe and the players have failed. If we lose game 7 it all falls on certain players and coaches. We all know who they are.
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How is it his fault Marner didn’t show up?
He didn’t make Keefe play Thornton more minutes than Spezza
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