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Well if the Leafs want a coach that gets the most out of their players. I would suggest John Tortorela. He is a very demanding coach that is not afraid to call his star players out and holds them accountable. I understand coachs like John don't last very long on a team but he would get this team at least a Cup in the next two years. This team needs a good kick in the rear and not be coddled all the time.
 
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hamzarocks said:
Dubas hired keefe, he has him running the systems we currently use.

Dubas signed Simmonds, Thornton who are being overused right now by our coach

Dubas overpaid for stars who are 2nd line playoff performers which hurt our ability to get the strong depth that can help carry the offense.

These are some arguments people can use if they want to have Dubas fired. Overall, he will be judged on results, not intentions and the team he made on paper. I'm fine with him getting one last chance like Babcock got after 2019, but he should be fired instantly like Babcock was in 2019-2020 if we are struggling 20 games into the year.

Another 1st round exit next year makes it impossible to justify keeping Dubas no matter what moves he has made. His team has to deliver and he has to be held accountable if we fall short for a 4th time in his tenure next year. But, I only keep him and give that chance if he deals Marner, if he keeps marner and shuffles the deck than we are destined to be doomed again. Dubas has to cut ties and accept he got taken to the cleaners by Marner. He needs to pay what it takes to get Eichel/Couterier+/Meier++ etc. He needs a star who isn't built like a teenager who can elevate his play in the playoffs as neither Matthews, nor Marner nor a healthy JT were that
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GMs normally don't get fired 20 games in, so assuming a Leafs loss to the Habs it will be Dubas who eats his gun, and rightly so if Shanny has any sack at all. If KD and Keefe are both still around next season it would be Keefe who is out first after a toilet start, and that is the last life KD has to spend, so imagine Gallant coming in to replace Keefe, regardless of Dubas' preferences, and the GM being toasted if the club does not go on a monster tear.

To be clear, I expect none of the above as the Leafs will win this series and probably Winni as well. I don't think this team is cruising to the finals but the Canadians and the Jets won't be the hill they die on.
 
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nuck said:
GMs normally don't get fired 20 games in, so assuming a Leafs loss to the Habs it will be Dubas who eats his gun, and rightly so if Shanny has any sack at all. If KD and Keefe are both still around next season it would be Keefe who is out first after a toilet start, and that is the last life KD has to spend, so imagine Gallant coming in to replace Keefe, regardless of Dubas' preferences, and the GM being toasted if the club does not go on a monster tear.

To be clear, I expect none of the above as the Leafs will win this series and probably Winni as well. I don't think this team is cruising to the finals but the Canadians and the Jets won't be the hill they die on.
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I don't expect any front office changes this summer aside from assistant coaches.

That said I think Shanahan/Dubas' would have to be viewed as a sort of package deal in terms of staying/going. One isn't going to be fired without the other one getting the same fate.
 
Keefe just needs to use last change to our advantage tomorrow and we'll win. None of this "Auston & Mitch can play against anyone".

You have to be a moron to not throw Auston & Mitch out there some shifts away from Danault & Weber.
 
mapleleafs34 said:
Keefe just needs to use last change to our advantage tomorrow and we'll win. None of this "Auston & Mitch can play against anyone".

You have to be a moron to not throw Auston & Mitch out there some shifts away from Danault & Weber.
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He was heavily trying to get them away from those matchups late yesterday and they still didn't do anything
 
mapleleafs34 said:
Keefe just needs to use last change to our advantage tomorrow and we'll win. None of this "Auston & Mitch can play against anyone".

You have to be a moron to not throw Auston & Mitch out there some shifts away from Danault & Weber.
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Yup, Matthews & Marner are definitely more suited for a sheltered scoring line with limited minutes. They are complementary pieces, at most. Can't ride them and expect any success, ever.
 
Gallagbi said:
Kerfoot was reunited with our best line to spread out our scoring threats. He Mik and Engvall were fantastic together and have been all year. They kickstarted us in Game 2 and through Folignos injury.

I think Marner and Matthews are attached too closely personally and I think they're better apart, but overuse hasn't been an issue since game 1. Hell I want to see Matthews used more, not less. Rotate him through some other lines.
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Keefe put Kerfoot with Mik & Simmonds. Engvall was 4C last game. There’s zero logic to demoting Kerfoot when he’s scoring, 3rd line is used as a checking line
 
Stonehands1990 said:
Keefe put Kerfoot with Mik & Simmonds. Engvall was 4C last game. There’s zero logic to demoting Kerfoot when he’s scoring, 3rd line is used as a checking line
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We don't use the third line as a checking/shutdown line. Logic is to balance the speed, Foligno brings some things, but speed isn't one of them.

And Kerfoot also saw time with Mik and Engvall and Nylander/Galchenyuks later in the game
 
Gallagbi said:
We don't use the third line as a checking/shutdown line. Logic is to balance the speed, Foligno brings some things, but speed isn't one of them.

And Kerfoot also saw time with Mik and Engvall and Nylander/Galchenyuks later in the game
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He plays Engvall with Joe and Simmonds when we had plenty sample size during the season that Engvall is garbage with those guys. That’s why Engvall got scratched... then he benches Engvall all 3rd and decided last minute of the game that Engvall should see ice time and play in the OT..

I don’t understand why Simmonds was playing over Engvall and why Joe is glued to pp1.
 
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m1ker said:
He plays Engvall with Joe and Simmonds when we had plenty sample size during the season that Engvall is garbage with those guys. That’s why Engvall got scratched... then he benches Engvall all 3rd and decided last minute of the game that Engvall should see ice time and play in the OT..
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Engvall was solid in OT and made a great play on the GTG
 
3 forward pairs

Matthew - Hyman
Nylander - Galch
Marner - Spezza

Fill in around that and let Ducharme figure out who he wants to shut down.
 
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m1ker said:
Yeah I added a sentence. Engvall should of played way more and been on Kerfoots line to begin with
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We basically went down to 3 lines and he was on one. Maybe a little late, but the right call ultimately IMO.

Engvall still played more in the 3rd and OT than either of the first 2 periods
 
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Gallagbi said:
We basically went down to 3 lines and he was on one. Maybe a little late, but the right call ultimately IMO.

Engvall still played more in the 3rd and OT than either of the first 2 periods
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Bad decision to start the game. Kerfoot should of been with Nylander or at the very least mikh and Engvall.
 
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saffronleaf said:
Yup, Matthews & Marner are definitely more suited for a sheltered scoring line with limited minutes. They are complementary pieces, at most. Can't ride them and expect any success, ever.
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I like the sarcasm. But sometimes you gotta do whatever it takes to get them going and then the flood gates will open.
 
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egd27 said:
3 forward pairs

Matthew - Hyman
Nylander - Galch
Marner - Spezza

Fill in around that and let Ducharme figure out who he wants to shut down.
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Can people please STOP comparing Keefe to Babcock and Dubas' to Lou Lamoriello! It's comparing two losers to Hall of Famers and it makes us look stupid.

Instead we should be comparing Dubas' + Keefe to just Lou. Twice Lou said "F it I'll do it myself" and coached + GM'd his team further than those Losers can manage together with a much bigger budget and staff.
 
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Dave92 said:
Can people please STOP comparing Keefe to Babcock and Dubas' to Lou Lamoriello! It's comparing two losers to Hall of Famers and it makes us look stupid.

Instead we should be comparing Dubas' + Keefe to just Lou. Twice Lou said "F it I'll do it myself" and coached + GM'd his team further than those Losers can manage together with a much bigger budget and staff.
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I think Dubas deserves some heat here. There is nothing wrong trying to support your young core with grizzly veterans, but the ones he signed never won anything. Thornton's whole career is nothing but playoff disappointment. Spezza looked better he only ever had one decent run in the playoffs.

Campbell being the answer for Andersen was kind of an iffy call as well. A 28yo goalie with 0 playoff experience, heck limited regular season experience, expected to goaltend for a team who was suppose to make a deep run. Campbell would of been fine if he was growing with the team a few years ago but it was clearly to much pressure for him right now. You could hear it in his voice in the post game interview and see it during his play in game 7.

Another thing is Dubas contract negotiation skills for his young guns, he failed on those negotiations.
 
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