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I don't feel we can put blame on Dubas of Keefe.

I mean if the star players were doing what was expected, all would be good. Until they do, nothing will be good enough.

You can talk about in game management, etc etc, unless your best players are your best players, the entire franchise is fckd.
 
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wingman75 said:
I don't feel we can put blame on Dubas of Keefe.

I mean if the star players were doing what was expected, all would be good. Until they do, nothing will be good enough.

You can talk about in game management, etc etc, unless your best players are your best players, the entire franchise is fckd.
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Keefe is directly linked to Dubas.
 
Dermott wears the goat horns tonight but honestly the chance for him to blow it in Game 6 should never have happened if Keefe just played him and Bogosian from the start instead forcing very not ready Sandin into the lineup.

The powerplay is inexcusable. f*** Malhotra and Keefe, they should've figured it out ages ago. If it was working, again this series would be over.

And f*** his love affair with Thornton, zero reason that man should still be on the PP. It's not F***ing working! Stop it!

And the ice time allotment, forcing Matthews and Marner big minutes when they don't do jack shit with them. Though I suppose that's also mostly on Matthews and Marner themselves, you'd think two $11 million guys could f***ing do something with the ice time they've gotten.

If Keefe goes so does Dubas, and maybe Shanahan. And I like these guys as people but there's no excuse for all this failure.
 
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sxvnert said:
Reporter:" What was your level of confidence in that video challenge"
Keefe: "Not very high"

Paraphrased. :laugh:

Keefecock is a train wreck.
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What kind of trainwreck coach decides to take a play from the Dominic Ducharme playbook out of his own free will with no confidence in his own decision when it's 1-0? Tells you a lot about the fragility on this entire team from the coach that they couldn't tie up a 1-0 game. The man has no plan.
 
jamo27 said:
You are probably right in retrospect, but I still think adding Tavares was a good decision at the time. Really, this team has been built well enough to win. They just have to actually, like, do that
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No one could have predicted the permanent flat cap but they could have easily anticipated Marner/Nylander/Matthews demanding top dollar after the JT signing.

Best path forward is building a complete six D set up.

Muzzin Brodie
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Sandin Bogo

Move Rielly, Dermott, Holl ahead of time. and fill those 3/4 spots with legit top four Ds.
 
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Kyle Dubas does not have a pro hockey executives understanding of hockey. He never did. He cane and tried to build a style of team that would never won in playoff hockey.

After a few lessons to that point, he then indeed goes out and tried to add beef and toughness, to his credit.

It’s a problem though, and illustrates his lack of basic hockey knowledge that he needed to learn this, or even worse, be mandated to make these sorts of move. I know a lot of this fan base also needed to learn that lesson, believing mg in his early Mickey Mouse teams, but fans aren’t supposed to know as much as an NHL GM.

Appears too late though. I’m not sure the stench of losing culture will ever run off of this core.
 
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Why is Joe Thornton playing?

He does nothing. Zero. Nada, he's counterproductive, turns over the puck, stagnates the powerplay.
He's making our PP horrible, old, slow, useless, unable to pass, etc.

Malholtra/Keefe need to be fired. Zero hockey IQ.
 
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That challenge was completely asinine and costly. Absolutely stupid.

The second line was our best in the series, he throws in a cold Foligno and turfs Kerfoot. Why mess with a good thing? Incredible costly, you put Foligno on the third line and leave Bill Kerf Gally together, period. Costly error.

Has our PP done anything? So why then is Jumbo stapled to the first unit, as though we’d be lost without his prowess. He puts Bill on the unit for the first time, but still manages to leave the guy he should replace out there? Jumbo is the worst player on both teams, my biggest fear when we signed him has come true, the coach plays him because of pedigree rather than performance and he becomes a liability.

Hey coach, can you make some in game adjustments? It’s okay to break up Marner and Matthews for a bit when nothing is happening, they’re both squeezing the stick, mix it up ffs every so often.

Keefe was out coached last year by Torts, nobody disputes but his first time in the playoffs. So far this series I’m not sure I’m impressed and if this was the “bad man” behind this bench this place would be apocalyptic.

Be better Sheldon.
 
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Sheldon Keefe is doing a masterful job of using Matthews and Marner together to shutdown and keep Phillip Danault in check holding him to 0-0-0 points in the series.

I wonder if Keefe is going to figure out on his own, that putting all his eggs in one basket keeping Matthews and Marner together after 6 games has produced only 1 single goal no matter how much ice time he gives them. Then again 18 periods of hockey + some OT tossed in probably isn't a big enough sample size to force change yet.

Its quite strange really he has no problem breaking up lines that are working, but ones that aren't he seems to be all-in on.

Matthews has 1-2-3 points in a 5-1 win and held to a single assist in the other 5 games. Marner has 4 assists in 6 games and they combined for 0-0-0 points last game while getting > 30 minutes of TOI/g.

Coaches only solution seems to be MORE ice time and if 24 minutes a night is not enough now lets give them 30 minutes and play them every 2nd shift.
 
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Stephen said:
Keefe doesn’t seem to understand how to work with momentum very well. How does a team that battles back to make it 2-2 come out with medium level urgency and puck possession in OT?
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As you know, Keefe and his predecessor were both flummoxed by the team's "starting on time" and lack of urgency issues. Neither coach could manufacture a solution.Swapping bit players hasn't changed anything. So, it appears there is no fix other than to shockingly change major pieces, like Masai Ujiri did with the Raptors.
 
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theTTC said:
As you know, Keefe and his predecessor were both flummoxed by the team's "starting on time" and lack of urgency issues. Neither coach could manufacture a solution.Swapping bit players hasn't changed anything. So, it appears there is no fix other than to shockingly change major pieces, like Masai Ujiri did with the Raptors.
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That happened to the sens Mclean was ran off by the players because he wanted the stars to work harder and the next coach was pals with everyone...It didn't turn out well
 
theTTC said:
So, it appears there is no fix other than to shockingly change major pieces, like Masai Ujiri did with the Raptors.
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dont think dubas has the balls to pull that off. No way hes willing to deal with apologists who will roast him the same way ujiri was.
 
Bomber0104 said:
4) Being extremely unprepared for a key player going down
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How do you even quantify this? Game 1 gets a pass from me because of the nature of the JT injury. It's just such a rare occurrence I don't know how anyone properly prepares for it.
 
It's funny because Dubas has done a lot of things his haters wanted him to the last 12 months. Now we are on the brink and those same people are in here asking for his head again.

It's just easy to always hold on to the negatives I guess.
 
Mess said:
Sheldon Keefe is doing a masterful job of using Matthews and Marner together to shutdown and keep Phillip Danault in check holding him to 0-0-0 points in the series.

I wonder if Keefe is going to figure out on his own, that putting all his eggs in one basket keeping Matthews and Marner together after 6 games has produced only 1 single goal no matter how much ice time he gives them. Then again 18 periods of hockey + some OT tossed in probably isn't a big enough sample size to force change yet.

Its quite strange really he has no problem breaking up lines that are working, but ones that aren't he seems to be all-in on.

Matthews has 1-2-3 points in a 5-1 win and held to a single assist in the other 5 games. Marner has 4 assists in 6 games and they combined for 0-0-0 points last game while getting > 30 minutes of TOI/g.

Coaches only solution seems to be MORE ice time and if 24 minutes a night is not enough now lets give them 30 minutes and play them every 2nd shift.
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Not unlike last year in the play-in series where he stacked the top line. Playing JT MM AM on the same line was risky and a double edged sword: yes they should produce with their skill, but then it was easy for Torts to match-up. Keefe then gave up on it half way in the game.

I really don't know that Keefe knows what is working and what is not. I sometimes think his blender there just for a chance encounter and not a lot of thought behind it.

Why the power play is a work in progress 3 months later is another criticism. I mean at this point Toronto's powerplay is a MTL strategy: hold, cross check, and slash all you want. They'll never score on the power play.
 
robertmac43 said:
It's funny because Dubas has done a lot of things his haters wanted him to the last 12 months. Now we are on the brink and those same people are in here asking for his head again.

It's just easy to always hold on to the negatives I guess.
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I always question why Shanny is never bashed here. With all the money and every resource known to hockey and he goes with a coach / Gm with little NHL experience.
 
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