GDT: GM#8 LA Kings vs Buffalo Sabres @12:30pm 10/20/18

[GoldenBearHockey]

Richards too, honestly.

To a point, yea lol, but everyone laughs when character is brought up with guys like Clifford, Thompson, Lewis etc, character is huge in the game, have the right mix of character, grit, skill, you win, have the wrong, you lose,

 

[fsanford]

Absolutely, that's three big reasons for the change, so yea, they need to look inside and see what can be done, it's not only Williams they miss, its Mitchell, its Stoll to a point, its Regehyr etc.

Several high character guys. Some of the current guys won early in their career and never fully had to experience the time guys like Reggie, Willie, Stoll, Matt Greene had to put in to get to the top.

They really never had to deal with major adversity and they don't appear to be handling it well

 

[johnjm22]

If you go back to last season the Kings have 2 wins in their last 13 games.

In that span they've scored 20 goals (1.53 goals per game average).

One of their wins was against the worst team in the league (Detroit). The other win was against Montreal which is supposed to be one of the worst teams in the league.

 

[Little Psycho]

Trade players and fire the coaches

 

[Kingsfan1]

It’s up to the coaches and management to get their troops in check . When one of our workers is not acting right or has attitude on the job and isn’t a team player we tell them how it is and call them out .

I have never seen someone call out Doughty or Kopitar . I wanna hear Stevens say our best players Carter Kopitar Doughty are playing like shit , they suck right now . 2 points is unacceptable for Kopi. Something

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

If you go back to last season the Kings have 2 wins in their last 13 games.

In that span they've scored 20 goals (1.53 goals per game average).

One of their wins was against the worst team in the league (Detroit). The other win was against Montreal which is supposed to be one of the worst teams in the league.

I know what you are saying....and eventually there will be at the end, worst teams, better teams etc,

But can we get rid of the idea that any team in this league is gonna be easy, or just rollover etc, the way the league is set up now, there's not much difference between teams, it comes down to execution etc, the skill between your 2nd line and your 3d line players, is minimal....

unless your the kings, then it's canyons, but still...

 

[Fishhead]

I watched like 5 minutes between stuff I was doing, and this is what I saw.

Forbort is skating behind his net and promptly turns it over.

After a face off, the Kings are moving forward with some speed. Lewis goes into the boards 1v1 with Kempe behind him. Kempe stops f***ing skating. The puck is left there and he peels around. At least he got it back and made a nice individual play to make a shot, but he probably screwed up a better scoring chance by being lazy.

A couple minutes later, Buffalo is bearing down. Doughty's looking around like Denis Lemieux when the puck comes in because there's 3 Sabres with speed. They make a nice play to retrieve the puck. Forbort controls the puck, skates it a bit, then turns the f***ing thing over with a weak-ass pass off the boards. My kid could do better than that and he's 5 and never been on the ice. He literally passes harder than that in the entry way, I know I've patched the holes. The puck comes back in the zone, and Forbort and the forward on that side stand up, leaving Doughty to deal with 2 guys down low. He makes a poor read but recovers and is back in position. Forbort sees a guy heading to the corner, picks him up, and follows him there INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE f***ING POST BECAUSE SKINNER IS BEHIND THE NET WIDE OPEN. Bam, goal. Bam, TV off.

And yes, I drank before the game today rather than during it. The only redeeming quality to this season is it is spacing my drinking out more, because as we all know, binge drinking is unhealthy. This team completely forgot what it takes to win. Either that, or they know what it takes to win but aren't willing to put in the draining effort required to do it.

 

[Sol]

That's EXACTLY what a veteran should say man, he's literally saying, we've come comfortable with being mediocre and that's unacceptable....

I expect him to lead by example as a vet and not sound lost when there are much younger players that probably look to him for guidance. Maybe I'm reading too deep into it.

 

[Eagle Fang]

Well freaking think before you say something as idiotic as you did ffs,

It's not like he went to a reporter after the game and said, hey, I have to get this off my chest....

He was ASKED A QUESTION and he ANSWERED THE QUESTION, and you are giving the guy grief because you think his play is the epitome of what he said, and it might be.

The problem is, HE NEVER SAID HE WASN'T PART OF THE FREAKING PROBLEM....

FFS, man...its like you giving **** to John Stevens because he was asked what he thought about the game and he said...man...we weren't prepared, and we sucked....which all is true, and which he contributed to....man, seriously just give your head a shake, giving **** to a guy for answering a question....now I've seen it all

I was kind of neutral on it, but I can see why people think what they do of you.

Your John Steven's example is actually pretty funny. He states the obvious with no real improvement about that problem. I take it as lip service. You're the 'expert' though so you probably see it differently.. you know, with all that experience you have.

Again, my take on Muzzin's comment is my take. I don't think I gave him shit at all. To me it's like one of the laziest guys in the office saying everyone needs to work harder.

As for the rest of your post. You sound mad bro. Maybe you need a hug?

 

[Sol]

Richards too, honestly.

I don't necessarily know about Richards considering how he left The team, but the rest were well noted leaders.

Sucks we didn't have Regehr long.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

It’s up to the coaches and management to get their troops in check . When one of our workers is not acting right or has attitude on the job and isn’t a team player we tell them how it is and call them out .

I have never seen someone call out Doughty or Kopitar . I wanna hear Stevens say our best players Carter Kopitar Doughty are playing like **** , they suck right now . 2 points is unacceptable for Kopi. Something

Doughty and Kopitar call themselves out, they've done it their entire careers....

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I expect him to lead by example as a vet and not sound lost when there are much younger players that probably look to him for guidance. Maybe I'm reading too deep into it.

I think you are, like I said to the other guy, its not like he sought out a reporter to say listen.....he was asked a question, he answered it honestly which is what you have been clamoring about, and then you and the other guy give him shit because you think he's not talking about himself etc

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I was kind of neutral on it, but I can see why people think what they do of you.

Your John Steven's example is actually pretty funny. He states the obvious with no real improvement about that problem. I take it as lip service. You're the 'expert' though so you probably see it differently.. you know, with all that experience you have.

Again, my take on Muzzin's comment is my take. I don't think I gave him **** at all. To me it's like one of the laziest guys in the office saying everyone needs to work harder.

As for the rest of your post. You sound mad bro. Maybe you need a hug?

EDIT: Penn State still found a way to f*** with me lol so yea, that cost me money too

Probably, but I think Bandit abandoned me....

But yea, it felt like you and Sol were giving him shit for answering a question honestly, he didn't throw anyone under the bus, and he didn't say everyone but him, and you guys are acting, like he did....like Sol said, overthinking it a bit much

 

[Sacha Baron Corbin]

Can someone tell me what the point is in keeping JAD on the roster right now when hes either scratched or getting 5 minutes on the 4th line? He needs to be playing #1 C minutes in junior, not wasting away in the press box or getting 4th line minutes

 

[SettlementRichie10]

It was absolutely a mistake to can a guy that’s brought 2 cups and a WCF appearance to LA. Something I don’t think most of us dreamed was ever going to happen with this club.

I don’t know if Lombardi was fired for the three year run you speak of or the fact that Luc convinced AEG he could get more out of this core than Dean, who was unwilling to acquiesce to the players demands regarding Sutter. In fact Deans last season might have been the last straw for Dean in keeping the core together. You look at his last interview with Bob and he was real pissed and tore up inside on what to do with this roster. I think AEG/Luc were nervous he was actually about to blow it up.

Dean does great at rebuilds, probably the best General Manager in the game to do them and we needed to retool the core. Obviously, AEG/Luc wasn’t on board.

This is a good take. I also feel something like this happened.

 

[BigKing]

Muzzin answers a question honestly and that is bad somehow?

He's entirely correct except they aren't even okay at the moment.

This core missed the playoffs after winning the Cup. Responded next season. Then they were horrible. Responded the next season.

Rinse and repeat. It's like they prove they are elite players and then half-ass the next season until they have to prove themselves again. For Sutter, it was almost never good enough so they were constantly challenged.

It's country club again. I almost feel like they wouldn't even trade Pearson or Toffoli because they are too important to the Dog Calendar and Twitter.

This team is not fun. Super soft, a whiny #1 defenseman and a marketing platform that is soft as hell too. I'm all in on skipping games for no reason except for screw this shit. STHer since 2001-02. Ranger game next Sunday? That used to be an automatic go...leaning towards just watching football instead.

 

[KingsFan7824]

With a new coach teams don't have a lot of trends or film. About halfway through the year teams seem to have adjust to Steven's coaching tendencies. Steven is getting thrown curve balls and he still swings expecting the fast ball.

Still think the team misses Justin Williams. Nobody could ever question that man's work ethic, and I think it rubbed off on lots of guys

Absolutely, that's three big reasons for the change, so yea, they need to look inside and see what can be done, it's not only Williams they miss, its Mitchell, its Stoll to a point, its Regehyr etc.

All but one of those guys were here in 14-15, and they couldn't beat a McDavid-less Oilers team in a must win game. I would buy the intangible leadership thing if it wasn't for that season.

They've lost a lot of leadership, but they've also simply lost a lot of talent. Also a lot of talent for nothing in return. They had all those vets, with Kopitar and Doughty coming up as the young core pushing them. Today, Kopitar and Doughty are part of the veteran group, and there's no Kopitar and Doughty pushing them anymore. It's Toffoli and Pearson.

This is a whole complicated picture. Even when they were winning Cups, they were never a dominant regular season team. Their best year was the short year, and then they struggled to get through 2 rounds of the playoffs. The current Kings, and the Kings of the previous 4 years, could not in any way do what that 2013 team did, so not trying to discount what they did that year. They weren't great though. They've always been on the edge. Then as soon as too many things caught up to them, we have everything that we've seen since October 2014. You're not the 8th seed, or down 0-3, or having to win three Game 7's on the road, or having to constantly come back from down multiple goals(which happened in the Hawks and Rangers series), without living on the edge. If you do that, and you take one too many missteps, you're going to go down. Even their great possession game was throw pucks at the net, and not really talent based. They weren't the Red Wings from the late 00's.

 

[Glockaxis]

Paging John Tortorella. Please arrive at the basement, stat, and defibulate this flatlined team. You may wear three hats, as Blake, Robetaille, and Steven's will be ousted---no severance pay but a free McFlurry each to stick up their a****.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Muzzin answers a question honestly and that is bad somehow?

He's entirely correct except they aren't even okay at the moment.

This core missed the playoffs after winning the Cup. Responded next season. Then they were horrible. Responded the next season.

Rinse and repeat. It's like they prove they are elite players and then half-ass the next season until they have to prove themselves again. For Sutter, it was almost never good enough so they were constantly challenged.

It's country club again. I almost feel like they wouldn't even trade Pearson or Toffoli because they are too important to the Dog Calendar and Twitter.

This team is not fun. Super soft, a whiny #1 defenseman and a marketing platform that is soft as hell too. I'm all in on skipping games for no reason except for screw this ****. STHer since 2001-02. Ranger game next Sunday? That used to be an automatic go...leaning towards just watching football instead.

Probably more that who the hell would want them.

 

[Reclamation Project]

How many more coaches and personnel changes do we need to make before we admit this team isn't motivated and is seriously lacking in talent to make the playoffs comfortably, let alone win a round? Doesn't matter how many times they trot out Luc to give a pep talk, this team is no good. If you aren't moving forward in business you're going backwards, and this team has been going backwards for a few seasons now. Watch the product on the ice, it's terrible. I don't really care what happened years ago with a couple players still on this team, that thinking kills businesses.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Gotta laugh at the yearning comments for Lombardi when he created this mess. You guys do realize about 90% of this team is still composed of transactions and hires made by Lombardi, right? Let’s not pretend that they started underachieving after Deano left. They were doing that years before his departure. Remember Bob Miller’s sit down interview with Dean and how displeased he was with the team? How do you think they got to where they are today?

This is when Blake needs to put his stamp on the team and identify the problems and rectify them. You’ve got to realize this isn’t a simple fix that’ll be resolved overnight. We said the transactions Dean made over the years are ones that will set the team back for years, and here we are now.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

All but one of those guys were here in 14-15, and they couldn't beat a McDavid-less Oilers team in a must win game. I would buy the intangible leadership thing if it wasn't for that season.

They've lost a lot of leadership, but they've also simply lost a lot of talent. Also a lot of talent for nothing in return. They had all those vets, with Kopitar and Doughty coming up as the young core pushing them. Today, Kopitar and Doughty are part of the veteran group, and there's no Kopitar and Doughty pushing them anymore. It's Toffoli and Pearson.

This is a whole complicated picture. Even when they were winning Cups, they were never a dominant regular season team. Their best year was the short year, and then they struggled to get through 2 rounds of the playoffs. The current Kings, and the Kings of the previous 4 years, could not in any way do what that 2013 team did, so not trying to discount what they did that year. They weren't great though. They've always been on the edge. Then as soon as too many things caught up to them, we have everything that we've seen since October 2014. You're not the 8th seed, or down 0-3, or having to win three Game 7's on the road, or having to constantly come back from down multiple goals(which happened in the Hawks and Rangers series), without living on the edge. If you do that, and you take one too many missteps, you're going to go down. Even their great possession game was throw pucks at the net, and not really talent based. They weren't the Red Wings from the late 00's.

When the Kings were clicking in 2012-2014, they were absolutely one of the most dominant possession teams in the modern era.

 

[fsanford]

All but one of those guys were here in 14-15, and they couldn't beat a McDavid-less Oilers team in a must win game. I would buy the intangible leadership thing if it wasn't for that season.

They've lost a lot of leadership, but they've also simply lost a lot of talent. Also a lot of talent for nothing in return. They had all those vets, with Kopitar and Doughty coming up as the young core pushing them. Today, Kopitar and Doughty are part of the veteran group, and there's no Kopitar and Doughty pushing them anymore. It's Toffoli and Pearson.

This is a whole complicated picture. Even when they were winning Cups, they were never a dominant regular season team. Their best year was the short year, and then they struggled to get through 2 rounds of the playoffs. The current Kings, and the Kings of the previous 4 years, could not in any way do what that 2013 team did, so not trying to discount what they did that year. They weren't great though. They've always been on the edge. Then as soon as too many things caught up to them, we have everything that we've seen since October 2014. You're not the 8th seed, or down 0-3, or having to win three Game 7's on the road, or having to constantly come back from down multiple goals(which happened in the Hawks and Rangers series), without living on the edge. If you do that, and you take one too many missteps, you're going to go down. Even their great possession game was throw pucks at the net, and not really talent based. They weren't the Red Wings from the late 00's.

Sometimes even the best teams lose a must win game.

Over a course of multiple games those guys would at least be competitive.

This team has multiple issues.

Look Kovy played good today but what does it say about a team that signs a guy who bailed on his previous team.

I was happy with Kovy signing because of the skill, but if I thought long and hard what does he bring from a leadership role?

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Gotta laugh at the yearning comments for Lombardi when he created this mess. You guys do realize about 90% of this team is still composed of transactions and hires made by Lombardi, right? Let’s not pretend that they started underachieving after Deano left. They were doing that years before his departure. Remember Bob Miller’s sit down interview with Dean and how displeased he was with the team? How do you think they got to where they are today?

This is when Blake needs to put his stamp on the team and identify the problems and rectify them. You’ve got to realize this isn’t a simple fix that’ll be resolved overnight. We said the transactions Dean made over the years are ones that will set the team back for years, and here we are now.

Dean’s been gone for years now. We can’t really invoke the ghost of Lombardi anymore. Blake has had plenty of opportunities to create his stamp, and he stands pat.

As many mistakes as Dean made, he still left Blake with some significant assets. Blake has chosen to keep those players instead of trading them to reload the team. That’s on Blake, not Lombardi.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Dean’s been gone for years now. We can’t really invoke the ghost of Lombardi anymore. Blake has had plenty of opportunities to create his stamp, and he stands pat.

As many mistakes as Dean made, he still left Blake with some significant assets. Blake has chosen to keep those players instead of trading them to reload the team. That’s on Blake, not Lombardi.

Again, who created this mess? Remember how the team performed that led to Dean’s dismissal? If you’re going to sing his praises for what he did five years ago, that’s great, but what happened after 2014 is mostly on him.

Blake’s fault will be failing to identify this team’s problems and sticking with this same core. I get why he stood pat with the same group in his first season, to see how they’d respond to the changes. A year later, we’re witnessing the same problems and same culprits who failed to live up to their lofty contracts.

Blake made the same mistake Dean made in entrusting this group of players to figure things out on their own. This core of malcontents needs a shakeup.

And Dean hasn’t been gone for years. Blake took over in 2017. You think in one year a new GM was going to turn this team into a contender? We’re seeing how deep rooted the problems are with this club, it’s been the same problems hampering them since 2014-15.