GDT: GM#4 LA Kings vs Montreal Canadiens @4:30pm 10/11/18

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No power play goals. First goal on a rush. Second goal on a turnover. Third goal kind of a lucky swat. So basically this is the King's MO for even strength goals.....makes sense if they keep getting out shot. Why play in the offensive zone when it's more fun playing the puck in your own zone?
That third goal was not "a lucky swat". That's a skill. Just queue up all the times Sidney Crosby scores goals by swatting the puck out of the air. Those aren't the product of luck; they're the product of practice and hand-eye coordination from a skilled goal-scorer.
 
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Kings didn’t play great, but I did like the line combinations a lot. Now, if we can figure out how to get Wagner back in...

Also Muzzin/Martinez needs to end.
 
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Quick is the one guy that is engaged and battles every moment he's out there. He's the guy I want to retire a King and have a jersey in the rafters one day.
Generally, I agree. I don't think the Kings have a player who is mentally tougher than Jonathan Quick, but that is one of the many reasons he is a valuable asset. What purpose does it serve to have him retire as a King when this team isn't going to win jack over the next 5 years. Besides if Cal Petersen is the future, isn't it time to have him in the NHL now. He is 23 years of age.
 
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I have no issue keeping Quick until he retires in what 3 years? He's not going to ride out his full contract and if he does he will be a LTIR guy for sure. He's already 32 right? Petersen will be the starter in 3 years tops. But I'd still try and cash in on Carter at the deadline like they should've done a few years ago.
 
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I have no issue keeping Quick until he retires in what 3 years? He's not going to ride out his full contract and if he does he will be a LTIR guy for sure. He's already 32 right? Petersen will be the starter in 3 years tops. But I'd still try and cash in on Carter at the deadline like they should've done a few years ago.
No five more years for Quick, including this season. Say Petersen becomes the Kings #1 next season, or the season after that, are you going to pay Quick a cap hit of $5M+ to be the backup for 3 seasons? This season is probably Blake's last opportunity to move Quick.

How many cups are the Kings going to win with Quick as the #1?
 
No five more years for Quick, including this season. Say Petersen becomes the Kings #1 next season, or the season after that, are you going to pay Quick a cap hit of $5M+ to be the backup for 3 seasons? This season is probably Blake's last opportunity to move Quick.

How many cups are the Kings going to win with Quick as the #1?

I’ll say this, if you move Toffoli,Pearson,Martinez,Lewis and Muzzin and replace them with a Panarin(big dream), Brinkley and a legit defensive defenseman then you keep him and hope the younger players develop his type of toughness... Amadio gives me great hope and JAD is looking good but let’s give him his full cup of coffee before we decide if he stays or goes...

With that said, if you move Quick(really good contract for a a #1, SC winning Goalie) you better the players I mentioned above plus Carter and Phaneuf! Go for assets and younger players that fit in now and hope Vilardi can regain his health....

There does not seem to be a solid plan with Luc and Blake. The roster needs change not just tweaks..
 
Everyone says Muzzin/Martinez is a disaster, it's a bust etc, why?

Muzzin absolutely did not play well last night, is everyone thinking Martinez's aura was the cause?

There were no blown coverages, no blown assignments, no miscommunication between the two of them, so other than Muzzin having a bad game, I don't see it.
 
Everyone says Muzzin/Martinez is a disaster, it's a bust etc, why?

Muzzin absolutely did not play well last night, is everyone thinking Martinez's aura was the cause?

There were no blown coverages, no blown assignments, no miscommunication between the two of them, so other than Muzzin having a bad game, I don't see it.
Try a bad two seasons for both.. Amart should be on the left side w/ Phaneuf switching over and LaDue moving up pair with Muzzin if you really want an ideal lineup ... not sure about the results since I believe LaDue only played a few games with Muzzin but I’m pretty sure the really good...
 
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No five more years for Quick, including this season. Say Petersen becomes the Kings #1 next season, or the season after that, are you going to pay Quick a cap hit of $5M+ to be the backup for 3 seasons? This season is probably Blake's last opportunity to move Quick.

How many cups are the Kings going to win with Quick as the #1?
I'm willing to bet Quick goes the LTIR route in a few seasons.
 
Why does everyone want to trade Quick all of a sudden? Have we all forgotten the "pre-Quick" era?! Not sure about anyone else, but I don't want to go through a nightmare like that again. Fiset, Cloutier, Chekmanek among others. Nope, I'll keep Quick. When Peterson (or someone else) can beat Quick out of his position as a starter, THEN we can think about trading him.
 
I'm willing to bet Quick goes the LTIR route in a few seasons.
Perhaps, so why lose him for nothing. A contender who has an injury to their #1 goaltender would pay handsomely for Quick, and I must admit I would like to see Quick get another opportunity with a good team to show he has been the best money goalie in the NHL throughout his career.
 
Why does everyone want to trade Quick all of a sudden? Have we all forgotten the "pre-Quick" era?! Not sure about anyone else, but I don't want to go through a nightmare like that again. Fiset, Cloutier, Chekmanek among others. Nope, I'll keep Quick. When Peterson (or someone else) can beat Quick out of his position as a starter, THEN we can think about trading him.
Uh, we have Bill Ranford now. Anyone notice there have been no Fisets, Cloutiers, or Chekmaneks on the Kings roster ever since his arrival?
 
Perhaps, so why lose him for nothing. A contender who has an injury to their #1 goaltender would pay handsomely for Quick, and I must admit I would like to see Quick get another opportunity with a good team to show he has been the best money goalie in the NHL throughout his career.

So we have to wait for a contender to lose their goalie for the year? Why even talk about trading Quick now then?

Plus, the team getting Quick has to worry about next year too. Their own goalie will probably come back from injury, and then they'll have two goalies, and probably have to trade one at a loss, while having paid handsomely for Quick.

The time to trade Quick was the 2012 draft, and no later than the 2014 draft. Today, the best Blake will likely do is break even. They're not gaining cap space, or getting the next franchise guy. The Kings won't be winning trades for a while.
 
Uh, we have Bill Ranford now. Anyone notice there have been no Fisets, Cloutiers, or Chekmaneks on the Kings roster ever since his arrival?

We've also had someone else since his arrival that has prevented the Fisets, Cloutiers, and Cechmaneks.

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Yes, a handful of back-ups have come in over the years and performed well when Quick's gone down. But Ranford's not some miracle medicine man that reanimates dead goalies into reliable starters. Where's Ben Scrivens? Ersberg? Labarbera? Enroth? Zatkoff? Martin Jones is a starter. Bernier, the former first round pick, has bounced around the league as a starter and back-up. Keumper's a back-up in Arizona and Budaj's the new Reign mascot. That's not really a very impressive "where are they now" list for 12 years worth of goalies. A backup playing well when they get the rare opportunity to be the #1 isn't an odd thing, these guys are athletes and competitors playing a unique position. They can step up, the team can rally behind them, but if you take away the "here's my chance" and the team mentality "just got to squeeze out whatever extra we can until Quick's back" are the results going to be the same?

Quick gets hurt. If he gets hurt long enough his salary is irrelevant. Cycling through back-ups while he's hurt has worked out alright for us. When he's healthy he's still one of the best in the game at a cap hit that looks better and better every year. I'm floored that people think trading him would be a good idea.
 
Imoo, too.

And not to take things away from Ranford and Imoo, but the Stars have to be one of the worst teams to develop goaltenders. I think they just set him up to fail.

I remember Campbell saying--in his usual friendly, nonoffensive way of course--that the stars basically only had one goalie coach shuttling around the whole org instead of a fulltime guy focused on him.


Has Doughty been on the ice when the other team has scored, 5 on 5 or on the PK?

4 goals for, none against, in all situations.


Kings may have been outshot, but they almost doubled up on grade-A chances. According to Los Angeles Kings @ Montreal Canadiens, 2018-10-11, they had the better of the high-quality chances 12-7 at 5-on-5.

If this game were in isolation I wouldn't be upset about the shots at all but it's unfortunately a trend to get nearly or completely doubled up. That has to change no matter the opponent, but like I said, tonight was a good step. ANd to be fair most of those MTL shots were pretty harmless OR in garbage time.


Completely up in the air if JAD sticks???

I watch him play alot in junior and know how good he is/can be. It isnt surprising at all he is winning over the fans already. His offensive skill is unreal too so hopefully he keeps getting more ice time and PP time to show it

Still up in the air yeah, partially because of injuries, and Vilardi still a wild card, but he looks like he's completely endearing himself by creating not be just being uber skilled but by grinding harder than anyone. He simply won't be denied and it's amazing.


Generally, I agree. I don't think the Kings have a player who is mentally tougher than Jonathan Quick, but that is one of the many reasons he is a valuable asset. What purpose does it serve to have him retire as a King when this team isn't going to win jack over the next 5 years. Besides if Cal Petersen is the future, isn't it time to have him in the NHL now. He is 23 years of age.

Same reason it would serve Brown, emotion. It's not all coldhearted smartly-calculated business decisions. And a pretty good example of what you're talking about is Lundqvist. I don't really disagree with you saying 'trade him' because it's certainly the 'smart' move at some point soon, but I sure don't agree with it, the same way I owuldn't agree for Brown, Kopi, or Doughty.


Everyone says Muzzin/Martinez is a disaster, it's a bust etc, why?

Muzzin absolutely did not play well last night, is everyone thinking Martinez's aura was the cause?

There were no blown coverages, no blown assignments, no miscommunication between the two of them, so other than Muzzin having a bad game, I don't see it.

Oh good, one game sample size.
 
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So we have to wait for a contender to lose their goalie for the year? Why even talk about trading Quick now then?

Plus, the team getting Quick has to worry about next year too. Their own goalie will probably come back from injury, and then they'll have two goalies, and probably have to trade one at a loss, while having paid handsomely for Quick.

The time to trade Quick was the 2012 draft, and no later than the 2014 draft. Today, the best Blake will likely do is break even. They're not gaining cap space, or getting the next franchise guy. The Kings won't be winning trades for a while.
Why, because it is a discussion board. Goalies get injured every season. Quick has lost a lot of his trade value. It may take the perfect storm to move his contract. Blake would be wise to move it if he can.

Please forget about your "right time to trade a player for optimum value" argument. It doesn't serve you well. So, if I have a stock I bought at $10, it went to $2,000 and it is now $1,500, I shouldn't sell it now for a big profit because I didn't get maximum value? Ridiculous.
 
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Same reason it would serve Brown, emotion. It's not all coldhearted smartly-calculated business decisions. And a pretty good example of what you're talking about is Lundqvist. I don't really disagree with you saying 'trade him' because it's certainly the 'smart' move at some point soon, but I sure don't agree with it, the same way I wouldn't agree for Brown, Kopi, or Doughty.

...and the Rangers suck. Emotions will only prolong the amount of time it will take for the Kings to get back into contention. The past is the past. People need to remember the excitement that was building back in 2009-2011 as people could begin to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
 
We've also had someone else since his arrival that has prevented the Fisets, Cloutiers, and Cechmaneks.

jonathan-quick-2018-40.jpg


Yes, a handful of back-ups have come in over the years and performed well when Quick's gone down. But Ranford's not some miracle medicine man that reanimates dead goalies into reliable starters. Where's Ben Scrivens? Ersberg? Labarbera? Enroth? Zatkoff? Martin Jones is a starter. Bernier, the former first round pick, has bounced around the league as a starter and back-up. Keumper's a back-up in Arizona and Budaj's the new Reign mascot. That's not really a very impressive "where are they now" list for 12 years worth of goalies. A backup playing well when they get the rare opportunity to be the #1 isn't an odd thing, these guys are athletes and competitors playing a unique position. They can step up, the team can rally behind them, but if you take away the "here's my chance" and the team mentality "just got to squeeze out whatever extra we can until Quick's back" are the results going to be the same?

Quick gets hurt. If he gets hurt long enough his salary is irrelevant. Cycling through back-ups while he's hurt has worked out alright for us. When he's healthy he's still one of the best in the game at a cap hit that looks better and better every year. I'm floored that people think trading him would be a good idea.

Define "worked out alright"? Is that winning one playoff game over the last 4 seasons?
 
Kopi is signed for what 9 more years. Doughty 10. There is no great rebuild coming.

Quick was outstanding against Vegas.

You get peanuts for goalies.

Trading him will leave a deficiency in goal.

Yes he is getting older, what out there is better?
 
Everyone penciling Peterson in as the new starter should slow their roll. Goalies are a strange breed. People seem to have forgotten when Bernier was going to be our #1.

Not to mention there's no book on him yet. Many a good-looking rookie goaltender has gone down in flames once he got figured out.
 
Everyone says Muzzin/Martinez is a disaster, it's a bust etc, why?

Muzzin absolutely did not play well last night, is everyone thinking Martinez's aura was the cause?

There were no blown coverages, no blown assignments, no miscommunication between the two of them, so other than Muzzin having a bad game, I don't see it.

It's because they have bad chemistry and also forces Marty to play RD, which he shouldnt be doing.
 

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