Confirmed with Link: Giroux, Bunnaman, Rubtsov, 2024 5th traded to Florida for 2024 1st, 2023 3rd, Owen Tippett

[GKJ]

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[Tripod]

$3.04 which adjusted for inflation would be $4.01 today.

Top song was Single Ladies- Beyoncé

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Having the GM bitch to the media that someone as important to the history of the franchise as Giroux used his NMC is one hell of a shitty look. They are utterly inept at every aspect of running a franchise. You control the framing of that info and that’s what you chose. Fourth rate horseshit from a fourth rate org.

Fletcher still crowbars Niskanen into every press conference.

 

[deadhead]

Having the GM bitch to the media that someone as important to the history of the franchise as Giroux used his NMC is one hell of a shitty look. They are utterly inept at every aspect of running a franchise. You control the framing of that info and that’s what you chose. Fourth rate horseshit from a fourth rate org.

Didn't sound like bitching to me, just stating the obvious, G earned the right to have and exercise his NMC, but that limited the return to the Flyers.
That's no different than a contract that prices a player out of a good return.
A GM has to deal with it, but the trade has to be judged in that context.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Didn't sound like bitching to me, just stating the obvious, G earned the right to have and exercise his NMC, but that limited the return to the Flyers.
That's no different than a contract that prices a player out of a good return.
A GM has to deal with it, but the trade has to be judged in that context.

None of that matters in how you approach it from a PR perspective.

Every statement is an opportunity to make yourself look better. He had two basic choices. One was this, which intimates that the return is underwhelming but it’s not his fault. He “doesn’t begrudge him anything.” The other was to use this high-profile chance to talk about how important it was to take care of someone so important to the franchise. It’s a layup they absolutely bricked. It fits the pattern of unpolished losing in every small margin possible.

 

[deadhead]

None of that matters in how you approach it from a PR perspective.

Every statement is an opportunity to make yourself look better. He had two basic choices. One was this, which intimates that the return is underwhelming but it’s not his fault. He “doesn’t begrudge him anything.” The other was to use this high-profile chance to talk about how important it was to take care of someone so important to the franchise. It’s a layup they absolutely bricked. It fits the pattern of unpolished losing in every small margin possible.

Fletcher has said nice things repeatedly about G the last few days.

I think this is more a reaction to hypercritical Flyer fans who had ridiculous expectations, I'd be pretty sick of the stupidity by now if I were in his shoes.
They got a 1st, a "B" prospect and a third rd pick, similar to what anyone reasonable predicted weeks ago, and actually better than what you'd expect given the NMC (look at the Stone and Hall deals.

But "Idiot Wind" has become the American theme song the last decade. So why should Flyer fans be different.

 

[Lord Defect]

Didn't sound like bitching to me, just stating the obvious, G earned the right to have and exercise his NMC, but that limited the return to the Flyers.
That's no different than a contract that prices a player out of a good return.
A GM has to deal with it, but the trade has to be judged in that context.

His NMC didn’t limit it more than any other move clause.
What limited it were the leaks saying he only wanted to go to Florida.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Fletcher has said nice things repeatedly about G the last few days.

I think this is more a reaction to hypercritical Flyer fans who had ridiculous expectations, I'd be pretty sick of the stupidity by now if I were in his shoes.
They got a 1st, a "B" prospect and a third rd pick, similar to what anyone reasonable predicted weeks ago, and actually better than what you'd expect given the NMC (look at the Stone and Hall deals.

But "Idiot Wind" has become the American theme song the last decade. So why should Flyer fans be different.

Let’s say you’re right. If I’m an owner and my GM uses this as an opportunity to fire back at the fanbase in the middle of an unmitigated disaster of a season in which they asked me to write big checks to contend immediately, I know (not think) I’ve got the wrong guy. You’re not changing a single person’s mind. That’s the job. Do it or get out.

 

[Rebels57]

Let’s say you’re right. If I’m an owner and my GM uses this as an opportunity to fire back at the fanbase in the middle of an unmitigated disaster of a season in which they asked me to write big checks to contend immediately, I know (not think) I’ve got the wrong guy. You’re not changing a single person’s mind. That’s the job. Do it or get out.

What did he say about the fanbase? Cant bring myself to watch him speak.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

What did he say about the fanbase? Cant bring myself to watch him speak.

Nothing. I was responding to someone else’s framing of his reasoning for taking the approach he did. Call it an educated guess that you’re missing some context.

The gist of it is that he told everyone directly that Giroux limited his own return. I cannot fathom why you would admit that and decide on that framing.

 

[Rebels57]

Nothing. I was responding to someone else’s framing of his reasoning for taking the approach he did. Call it an educated guess that you’re missing some context.

The gist of it is that he told everyone directly that Giroux limited his own return. I cannot fathom why you would admit that and decide on that framing.

Gotcha - yeah Chuck is a real piece of shit

 

[deadhead]

As far as leaks, if the Oval office can't stop leaks, how can a GM keep the player, his family, his agent, his friends, other front offices, from talking?
I mean you don't have to be a rocket scientist to put two and two together, once it's leaked that so and so is prepared to make a big offer, and then silence, duh!
And teams aren't going to negotiate for two days to find out the player had nixed them and they missed out on other trade opportunities without going ballistic.

 

[Starat327]

Nothing. I was responding to someone else’s framing of his reasoning for taking the approach he did. Call it an educated guess that you’re missing some context.

The gist of it is that he told everyone directly that Giroux limited his own return. I cannot fathom why you would admit that and decide on that framing.

Desperate managers always look to shift blame. He got the message that the return was considered underwhelming to a majority if the fanbase and looked for the easiest person to blame -- literally the only person in the world who could've had an impact on the return itself - Giroux.

It's a cowardly swipe at a franchise legend. And more to your point, one more sign of a completely dysfunctional management team that isn't focused on leading and winning, but in looking good. For anyone in the management world, this is a clear-cut sign of someone managing to a metrics instead of managing people themselves. It's utterly pathetic.

 

[deadhead]

Desperate managers always look to shift blame. He got the message that the return was considered underwhelming to a majority if the fanbase and looked for the easiest person to blame -- literally the only person in the world who could've had an impact on the return itself - Giroux.

It's a cowardly swipe at a franchise legend. And more to your point, one more sign of a completely dysfunctional management team that isn't focused on leading and winning, but in looking good. For anyone in the management world, this is a clear-cut sign of someone managing to a metrics instead of managing people themselves. It's utterly pathetic.

Right, because it was a secret that only Elliott Friedman and his readers knew.

 

[Rebels57]

Desperate managers always look to shift blame. He got the message that the return was considered underwhelming to a majority if the fanbase and looked for the easiest person to blame -- literally the only person in the world who could've had an impact on the return itself - Giroux.

It's a cowardly swipe at a franchise legend. And more to your point, one more sign of a completely dysfunctional management team that isn't focused on leading and winning, but in looking good. For anyone in the management world, this is a clear-cut sign of someone managing to a metrics instead of managing people themselves. It's utterly pathetic.

Well f***ing said

 

[BringBackHakstol]

If there's one thing any old shit organization should be able to get right, it's looking like a class act in treating a franchise legend in a situation like this. Fletcher botched even that by putting any air of sourness around it.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Desperate managers always look to shift blame. He got the message that the return was considered underwhelming to a majority if the fanbase and looked for the easiest person to blame -- literally the only person in the world who could've had an impact on the return itself - Giroux.

It's a cowardly swipe at a franchise legend. And more to your point, one more sign of a completely dysfunctional management team that isn't focused on leading and winning, but in looking good. For anyone in the management world, this is a clear-cut sign of someone managing to a metrics instead of managing people themselves. It's utterly pathetic.

This goes for every sport, but I think fans believe hockey knowledge is a much bigger part of an NHL GM or Head Coach’s job than it actually is and downplay logistical aspects. A GM’s job is to guide the org through clear instructions and help synthesize information.

The Coach’s job is to motivate and develop the team via the players. Even something as mundane as meeting schedules is a vital skill. So many of these good Assistant/terrible HC guys are failing in exactly these regards.

 

[Lord Defect]

As far as leaks, if the Oval office can't stop leaks, how can a GM keep the player, his family, his agent, his friends, other front offices, from talking?
I mean you don't have to be a rocket scientist to put two and two together, once it's leaked that so and so is prepared to make a big offer, and then silence, duh!
And teams aren't going to negotiate for two days to find out the player had nixed them and they missed out on other trade opportunities without going ballistic.

Now explain the lack of leaks under hextall

 

[deadhead]

Now explain the lack of leaks under hextall

What was there to leak under Hextall? Other than trade the obvious veterans his first year, the Schenn trade was his only major deal, and there was nothing to hide there.

 

[Tripod]

As far as leaks, if the Oval office can't stop leaks, how can a GM keep the player, his family, his agent, his friends, other front offices, from talking?
I mean you don't have to be a rocket scientist to put two and two together, once it's leaked that so and so is prepared to make a big offer, and then silence, duh!
And teams aren't going to negotiate for two days to find out the player had nixed them and they missed out on other trade opportunities without going ballistic.

Yeah GM's can never control leaks:

Clarke said, “That was just as bad. … I sat at the table three seats away from him when he traded Schenn.” Clarke noted the scouts were livid and “Didn’t have a clue.”

 

[deadhead]

Yeah GM's can never control leaks:

Clarke said, “That was just as bad. … I sat at the table three seats away from him when he traded Schenn.” Clarke noted the scouts were livid and “Didn’t have a clue.”

Did Schenn have a NMC? Hextall didn't have to talk to anyone but another GM, and he didn't shop Schenn.

 

[captainpaxil]

Tippet looked toolsy today. Could very much be a solid b prospect but I've been saying from the beginning the first is a secondary asset in a giroux deal and I think he's not in that category. I hope I'm proven wrong and I'm trying to stay open to that possibility.
I know it's really asking Jackie o how the rest of the trip to Texas went but I'm upset that our own former first round pick in rubstov and a still promising depth guy in bunny were thrown in the deal.
We didn't have center depth to begin with and moving bodies out the door has us in a truly abysmal situation. While I'm confident moves that have to be made to bring guys in will be made I have no faith they'll be any good.

 

[deadhead]

Tippet looked toolsy today. Could very much be a solid b prospect but I've been saying from the beginning the first is a secondary asset in a giroux deal and I think he's not in that category. I hope I'm proven wrong and I'm trying to stay open to that possibility.
I know it's really asking Jackie o how the rest of the trip to Texas went but I'm upset that our own former first round pick in rubstov and a still promising depth guy in bunny were thrown in the deal.
We didn't have center depth to begin with and moving bodies out the door has us in a truly abysmal situation. While I'm confident moves that have to be made to bring guys in will be made I have no faith they'll be any good.

Bunnaman had three shots to win the 4C job, he's decently defensively but has zero offensive skills, I mean less than MacEwen, if that's possible.
Rubtsov has done nothing at the AHL level, he's a body at this point.
It was a contract dump, Fletcher will clear a couple more tomorrow, allowing him to sign Brink, Attard and N Cates after the playoffs, and maybe a college FA or two.

 

[Embiid]

Wow...I just noticed this thread a few minutes ago and had no idea G got traded. Just shows you how disconnected I have become with this joke team. Fletcher is one dumb dude...

 

[Beef Invictus]

Nothing. I was responding to someone else’s framing of his reasoning for taking the approach he did. Call it an educated guess that you’re missing some context.

The gist of it is that he told everyone directly that Giroux limited his own return. I cannot fathom why you would admit that and decide on that framing.

They are the Football Team of hockey. The blame machine is being fired up to grind into a player again.

 

[Beef Invictus]

As far as leaks, if the Oval office can't stop leaks, how can a GM keep the player, his family, his agent, his friends, other front offices, from talking?
I mean you don't have to be a rocket scientist to put two and two together, once it's leaked that so and so is prepared to make a big offer, and then silence, duh!
And teams aren't going to negotiate for two days to find out the player had nixed them and they missed out on other trade opportunities without going ballistic.

Hextall and other GMs manage it.