Confirmed with Link: Giroux, Bunnaman, Rubtsov, 2024 5th traded to Florida for 2024 1st, 2023 3rd, Owen Tippett

[GKJ]

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[deadhead]

There’s a lot more upside in that $15MM than the $15MM+ to Hayes, Laughton and Ristolainen. There’s also the ~$5MM in overpayment to RFAs awarded after seemingly unsustainable breakouts from Provorov, Farabee, and Hart. Fletcher also added term with the Voracek/Atkinson swap.

Again, not saying Hextall is better, but this is absolutely Fletcher’s mess now

You have a problem with Farabee's contract? Guy is a first line forward at 21 years old, with oddles of upside left. Last two seasons, 2.51 pp/ 60 (ES), 44th among all forwards.

Hayes was pre-COVID, and healthy he's a 2C. Overpaid, but a lot more valuable than JVR, who is limited to LW and the PP, and has lost a stride and is a marginal 3rd line guy now.

Laughton is a huge bargain at $3M, he'd get $4-5M if he was a UDA.

Risto, well, that's another story. Though Zito just gave a 1st, 4th and solid prospect (Smilanic) to rent Chiarot, who has had one good season, paired with Weber.
So either Zito is an idiot, or big, physical D-men have mystical properties.

 

[GKJ]

Greg Wyshynski going with it on ESPN

 

[pit]

Hayes was pre-COVID, and healthy he's a 2C. Overpaid, but a lot more valuable than JVR, who is limited to LW and the PP, and has lost a stride and is a marginal 3rd line guy now.

You keep talking about what Voracek and JVR are now as players as proof of what bad deals they are, but neglect to mention that they each are near the end of those contracts.

The Hayes deal is closer to its signing date than its end date and he's already been breaking down and unhealthy to the point where even you are advocating for a new young 2C because Hayes can't do it.

You're quick to cite Covid as context for why salaries are lower now and you feel Hayes looks overpaid compared to comparables, but neglect the context of where each of these players are at in terms of age and their contract duration.

In long term contracts taking players out of UFA, you're generally going to expect you get better value at the outset and lesser value at the end. True for JVR and Voracek, but not true for Hayes because we haven't even gotten that output to begin and may never get it.

$7M for a 3C for 6 of the 7 years is not good cap allocation.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Gs agent calling BS on the ASF report.

 

[deadhead]

As far as ASF having zero credibility:

At mentioned on ESPN NHL Trade Deadline coverage just now, Claude Giroux’s agent Pat Brisson denies report that Giroux would have expanded his trade options if he was assured of another contract with next season.

 

[wankstifier]

You have a problem with Farabee's contract? Guy is a first line forward at 21 years old, with oddles of upside left. Last two seasons, 2.51 pp/ 60 (ES), 44th among all forwards.

Hayes was pre-COVID, and healthy he's a 2C. Overpaid, but a lot more valuable than JVR, who is limited to LW and the PP, and has lost a stride and is a marginal 3rd line guy now.

Laughton is a huge bargain at $3M, he'd get $4-5M if he was a UDA.

Risto, well, that's another story. Though Zito just gave a 1st, 4th and solid prospect (Smilanic) to rent Chiarot, who has had one good season, paired with Weber.
So either Zito is an idiot, or big, physical D-men have mystical properties.

Ah, nothing new here

 

[deadhead]

You keep talking about what Voracek and JVR are now as players as proof of what bad deals they are, but neglect to mention that they each are near the end of those contracts.

The Hayes deal is closer to its signing date than its end date and he's already been breaking down and unhealthy to the point where even you are advocating for a new young 2C because Hayes can't do it.

You're quick to cite Covid as context for why salaries are lower now and you feel Hayes looks overpaid compared to comparables, but neglect the context of where each of these players are at in terms of age and their contract duration.

In long term contracts taking players out of UFA, you're generally going to expect you get better value at the outset and lesser value at the end. True for JVR and Voracek, but not true for Hayes because we haven't even gotten that output to begin and may never get it.

$7M for a 3C for 6 of the 7 years is not good cap allocation.

Hayes had no injury issues until last March. Crap happens. He looks healthy now, the infection was one of those things.
Even with everything he's gone through this season, he's scoring at a 1.89 pp/60 at ES.

Hayes' comparables were two years older (Nelson, Lee, Schenn, etc) and got similar deals.

 

[violaswallet]

Any idea who the prospects they coveted more were? A New Era: Flyers Play First Games Without Claude Giroux, as Chuck Fletcher Answers Questions About the Trade

Samso I'm guessing? Maybe Deni? I doubt they'd ask for Knight or Lundell given the obvious.

 

[BillDineen]

Gs agent calling BS on the ASF report.

 

[Striiker]

This looks so weird

 

[Rebels57]

This looks so weird

f***, the knife just twisted deeper

 

[Curufinwe]

ASF in shambles

 

[Winston Wolf]

I know Cuck can't be blamed because he really had no choice and Hextall really screwed him and many, many other reasons, but did Arturri Lehkonen just return a much more desirable package than Claude f***ing Giroux?

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

$7M for a 3C for 6 of the 7 years is not good cap allocation.

* 5C

 

[BillDineen]

 

[Curufinwe]

I know Cuck can't be blamed because he really had no choice and Hextall really screwed him and many, many other reasons, but did Arturri Lehkonen just return a much more desirable package than Claude f***ing Giroux?

A 2024 2nd and Barron isn't better than the return Giroux got.

 

[gertbfrobe16]

someone is telling a big wopper. I wonder who.

 

[Curufinwe]

Sakic and Seravalli both carrying water for Philly. Sickening.

 

[Lindberg]

I am really baffled as to why you would want to go to Florida over Colorado.

I think it's gonna be a lot easier for Colorado to get to at the least the WCFs.

The three teams that have older players / aging cores are Pittsburgh, Washington, and Boston. I wouldn't count out any of them.

 

[Magua]

Do people realize IT'S AGAINST THE RULES to negotiate future contract promises like this?

Flat out a player or agent or GM cannot admit to something like this without severe consequences. The only options publicly are deny or deny. It proves absolutely nothing.

 

[MiamiScreamingEagles]

 

[Winston Wolf]

A 2024 2nd and Barron isn't better than the return Giroux got.

I won't claim to be an expert on Barron but a guy who was a first round rounder less than two years ago and has continued to progress is still a desirable asset in my eyes. Tippet is a former top ten pick in his fifth season post-draft who still hasn't locked down an NHL spot. He's closer to Rubtsov or being on waivers than a guy with the profile of Barron.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Barron is probably a better asset than Tippett considering he still has his entire ELC to play under. The 2024 1st is, imo, the best asset in either deal, but the fact that it's even debatable says a lot.

 

[IronMarshal]

Do people realize IT'S AGAINST THE RULES to negotiate future contract promises like this?

Flat out a player or agent or GM cannot admit to something like this without severe consequences. The only options publicly are deny or deny. It proves absolutely nothing.

Yup, that is what I was thinking. That has to fall under the tampering guidelines.

 

[Magua]

Fletcher wants a good core under 25, so he trades for a player, who hasn't established himself full time, who will turn 24 next season and needs a contract. He can't keep his stories straight.

Then he blurts out about the pick: "It’ll either be a great chip for us in the draft floor, or we can use it as part of a package to get a good player this summer or next summer." I'm not sure he understands present vs future value. What does he think a 2024 1st, from a top team, gets you in July 2022? It's all so incredibly shortsighted.