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scrubadam said:
Don't worry I will be ready to go at in regards to Max :laugh::laugh:

But common ground can sometimes be found.

Maybe Conor should try hockey next. We can use a good C. At least the box office for Mr Molson would be big.
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Can he skate? We could use someone like him.
 

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Pompeius Magnus said:
Well their two fights really did do great business for the UFC but it wasn't just on Nate's drawing power alone obviously. My main problem with it is that it would put another belt on hold, with none of the actual challengers getting opportunities to fight for it. If it's going to be like that then just take the belt off Conor and let him do super fights and freak show fights against whoever.
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The problem is both CM and Dana white know that if CM defends his title and loses the aura around him is gone. He destroyed Aldo and Alvares and someone making him human again would drop his marketability.

So they'll let him get the big draws and then defend the belt.

The one thing CM has going for him is that he fights often. Apart from the last year for the FM fight and having a kid he's generally been pretty active so could pull off doing both.
 

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scrubadam said:
Thats whats getting lost in the debate. I said it before, on average a Boxer will be better at punching within the confines of a BOXING MATCH under BOXING RULES and better at taking punches than an MMA fighter.

Its simple, if all you train is your punches and techniques, and all you do is get hit over and over with punches then you will be better at those things than someone who trains boxing, kicking, wrestling, submissions, etc...

This fight proved it. CM landed a few shots and it was like FM was being tapped on the shoulder. BOXERS are meant to take 100's of punches over 12 rounds. Same with his punches. Once FM decided to turn it on that was the end for Connor he couldn't survive getting hit over and over again. In MMA you might take a few shots, but then you have kicks and grappling to break it up. Boxing its just punch after punch.
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I don't think the problem was Conor couldn't handle punches to the face...

In MMA you have hammerfists and punches when the guy is on the floor. You have kicks, knees, etc...

The problem was not FM beating CM because of quantity of punches. It was just a matter of CM not being a boxer and being unable to defend himself.

It really doesn't matter if any athlete can handle 1000 punches or kicks. If they can't defend themselves it will catch up and the fight will be over. CM was outskilled, that simple.

scrubadam said:
Don't worry I will be ready to go at in regards to Max :laugh::laugh:

But common ground can sometimes be found.

Maybe Conor should try hockey next. We can use a good C. At least the box office for Mr Molson would be big.
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CM is 5'9, too small.
 

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For those interested, there's actually footage of the corner discussions to FM and CM. FM's team constantly says "He'll get tired". They even say "He's fading, pick up the pace" type of stuff.

It was indeed his strategy from the start. It's a little disappointing to see CM's corner kind of suggesting he keep the pace. It's like they were too invested and didn't see the effect of lack of pacing would have.
 

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LyricalLyricist said:
I don't think the problem was Conor couldn't handle punches to the face...

In MMA you have hammerfists and punches when the guy is on the floor. You have kicks, knees, etc...

The problem was not FM beating CM because of quantity of punches. It was just a matter of CM not being a boxer and being unable to defend himself.

It really doesn't matter if any athlete can handle 1000 punches or kicks. If they can't defend themselves it will catch up and the fight will be over. CM was outskilled, that simple.
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Thats basically what I am saying. CM with his MMA background was not prepared to go the distance of a boxing match. 12 x 3 min rounds of straight up face (and on occasion) body punches. No grappling on the ground to rest.

Boxers on average will be better at taking punches to the face since thats their job. Its like saying NBA players will be better dunkers than WNBA players on average.



LyricalLyricist said:
CM is 5'9, too small.
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If DD could do it why not Conor. Maybe if he changed his name to Jean-Guy McGregoise he would have a better chance. :naughty::sarcasm:
 

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scrubadam said:
Thats basically what I am saying. CM with his MMA background was not prepared to go the distance of a boxing match. 12 x 3 min rounds of straight up face (and on occasion) body punches. No grappling on the ground to rest.

Boxers on average will be better at taking punches to the face since thats their job. Its like saying NBA players will be better dunkers than WNBA players on average.

If DD could do it why not Conor. Maybe if he changed his name to Jean-Guy McGregoise he would have a better chance. :naughty::sarcasm:
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Actually, we're not saying the same thing at all. I think Conor can take a punch to the face as good as any boxer. He takes even kicks and hammerfists to the head, why not more punches? I'm speaking about punches landed, not punches thrown and blocked.

So yeah, it's all about CM not being able to do it strategically. It takes experience.
 
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scrubadam said:
Thats basically what I am saying. CM with his MMA background was not prepared to go the distance of a boxing match. 12 x 3 min rounds of straight up face (and on occasion) body punches. No grappling on the ground to rest.

Boxers on average will be better at taking punches to the face since thats their job. Its like saying NBA players will be better dunkers than WNBA players on average.
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He wasn't prepared to go 12 rounds because of inexperience, not because he can't take a punch. He took punches, lasted 10 rounds, and he still wasn't knocked down.

And as some of us told you, FM followed a very clear strategy they had prepared to win this fight. It wasn't about taking punches from CM just to make it spicier for the crowd.
Did FM give up some rounds? Sure he did, as part of his strategy to tired CM out. In MMA you don't wait 3-4 rounds to start turning things up. Especially not CM who's used to pressing action pretty early.

There was clear inexperience from CM's side.
 
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Kriss E said:
Can't wait to see Vasyl fight, the guy is such a beast.
He's the future of boxing.
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Him and Anthony Joshua for sure, both are not only super good at what they do but they've also got a lot of the intangibles to be larger media stars (Good looking,charismatic,rabid following in their country,etc.).
 
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Pompeius Magnus said:
Him and Anthony Joshua for sure, both are not only super good at what they do but they've also got a lot of the intangibles to be larger media stars (Good looking,charismatic,rabid following in their country,etc.).
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With Floyd out, it's really up to them to swoop in.
 
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