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Habs

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And in the end MMA vs Boxing their both barbaric sports that destroy a lot more lives that are worth entertaining. CTE is going to wreck sports in the next 50 to 100 years. I can imagine a time when contact sports might not even exsists, or people will just be so doped up signing their lives away.

Rubbish. Soccer is one of the biggest perps when it comes to CTE, enormous concussions in the sport from heading the ball. All pro sports are a risk. Athletes and the unions will sign a waiver preventing future lawsuits, nothing more.

99.9 percent of all pro athletes would take the paycheck over the risk of developing CTE.
 

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Well thats kinda my point. In a boxing match with gloves and all the rules, a professional boxer is going to hit harder and be able to take more punches than a UFC fighter. Boxing has you getting hit over and over again for 12 rounds by fists. UFC has kicks and grappling and the punching is different. Boxers specifically train to have the strongest punches and no how to make their punch as strong as possible. UFC fighters train in multiple and different disciplines.
I think a major factor in getting KO power is genetics. Forget about Connor for a second, just within boxing, some guys have it some don't, yet they all put in the same work in punching. Actually the same applies to MMA fighters, some guys have it like Chuck Liddell, but then guys like GSP can't really seem to get it, and you will never win an argument suggesting any MMA fighter outworks or trains more than GSP.

A lot of it is genetics.
Now if you want to argue about how boxers punch harder, one could simply state their gloves are a lot more protective than the ones from MMA.

He has made most of the world think Conor did good in the fight. He made Conor look like a million bucks. This was a Bret Hart or Ric Flair level carry job. Floyd was pure showman and the world ate it up. I have to say it was actually a great fight and not some 3/4 round domination but thats because Floyd let it go that way. He threw like 30 punchs or something in the 1st 3 rds! Conor got off a couple of hard shots and it didn't even faze Floyd.

I think you are truly underrating Connor here. FM had a plan, that was to let him come in and do a bit of a rope a dope. After the first few rounds of reading him and letting him tire out a bit, he started turning it up. It was the strategy laid out to effectively beat him, and it was great. He said it himself in the press conference.
It was the game plan set.

I don't even think Floyd needs this to be considered one of the GOAT's. Just feels a bit hollow to me. No different than if he would of taken some local tough guy out of a gym and put him out there.

Well now it's definitely clear you have very little respect for CM. He is not comparable whatsoever to just "some local tough guy out of a gym". That is truly an insult to CM.

I agree, 49-0, he'd still be one of the GOAT. But let's not pretend like CM is a nobody.

Won't agrue boxing is corrupt and full of politics, but giving Conor 2 or 3 rounds is really because Floyd didn't do anything. I have no problem seeing it 7-2 or something. Even you give him 3 rounds all he did was throw out a bunch of punchs and tire himself out while Floyd wasn't even being fazed. It was like he was being hit by soft pillows out there.

Well that's just silly. If FM comes in full on banging, maybe he breaks his fragile hand and then his punches also become way less effective. Or maybe he tires out a bit and CM ends up being more conservative fatigues less, and lasts longer maybe inflicting more damage.
Basically who knows. What happened is FM had a game plan, they decided on it to make sure it's the best way for them to win. That's it.
Heavyweight Boxing is what is dying. They are missing a true charismatic AMERICAN champ. We aren't in the days of Hollyfield/Tyson those are long gone. But Heavyweights are not around much in a lot of sports.
Boxing as a whole has been less and less popular with the rise of MMA.

And in the end MMA vs Boxing their both barbaric sports that destroy a lot more lives that are worth entertaining. CTE is going to wreck sports in the next 50 to 100 years. I can imagine a time when contact sports might not even exsists, or people will just be so doped up signing their lives away.
Contact sports will always exist.
If you told me today whether I would take the risk of developing CTE but be one of the very few fortunate people to become a pro athlete, I would take that risk every single time.

I cannot think of a better career than one of a pro athlete, but I might be biased being a huge sports junkie.
 

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Rubbish. Soccer is one of the biggest perps when it comes to CTE, enormous concussions in the sport from heading the ball. All pro sports are a risk. Athletes and the unions will sign a waiver preventing future lawsuits, nothing more.

99.9 percent of all pro athletes would take the paycheck over the risk of developing CTE.

At some point parents are going to stop putting their children's lives a trisk. It won't happen tomorrow, but given a long enough time line it will.

Anyways its my dystopian future view LOL. Sports will be made up of people signing their lives away and doped up on so many drugs that they know they will have no future after sports. If you are going to deal with CTE destroying your brain might as well allow steroids to destroy the rest of your body.
 

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I think a major factor in getting KO power is genetics. Forget about Connor for a second, just within boxing, some guys have it some don't, yet they all put in the same work in punching. Actually the same applies to MMA fighters, some guys have it like Chuck Liddell, but then guys like GSP can't really seem to get it, and you will never win an argument suggesting any MMA fighter outworks or trains more than GSP.

A lot of it is genetics.
Now if you want to argue about how boxers punch harder, one could simply state their gloves are a lot more protective than the ones from MMA.

What it comes down to is that boxers train for one specific thing, Punching. MMA fighters train for many things. If all you do is work out your chest at the Gym you will have chicken legs but great pecs. Genetics will play a role, but the guy who does chest 7 days a week will look better than the guy who does chest 1 day a week.

On average a boxer will be a better puncher and can take a punch better than an MMA fighter. Just like an MMA fighter would be better in ground and pound/grappling than a boxer.


I think you are truly underrating Connor here. FM had a plan, that was to let him come in and do a bit of a rope a dope. After the first few rounds of reading him and letting him tire out a bit, he started turning it up. It was the strategy laid out to effectively beat him, and it was great. He said it himself in the press conference.
It was the game plan set.



Well now it's definitely clear you have very little respect for CM. He is not comparable whatsoever to just "some local tough guy out of a gym". That is truly an insult to CM.

I agree, 49-0, he'd still be one of the GOAT. But let's not pretend like CM is a nobody.



Well that's just silly. If FM comes in full on banging, maybe he breaks his fragile hand and then his punches also become way less effective. Or maybe he tires out a bit and CM ends up being more conservative fatigues less, and lasts longer maybe inflicting more damage.
Basically who knows. What happened is FM had a game plan, they decided on it to make sure it's the best way for them to win. That's it.

I know it sounds like I am selling Conor short, but I respect him as a fighter and think he is top notch. But he isn't a boxer and never boxed a professional bought. Just because you are a master at lacross doesn't mean you can step into the NHL. As good as Conor is in MMA he doesn't have a chance against a highly ranked boxer. Boxing has rules its not a "fight". Conor is way tougher than a local tough guy, but they would both have the same excperience in professional boxing matches.

And FM's game plan was designed to make Conor look good, thats why I say he carried him. He basically let him punch himself tired for 3/4 rounds which made Conor look a wolrd beater. In reality those punches were like pillow taps to FM. He took Conors best shot in round 1 and it didn't faze him.

Much respect for Conor to step into the ring and he put on a good show, but he was out of his element. No different if FM fount an MMA match and Conor just rolled him on the mat for 2 or 3 rounds and then chocked him out.

It was a show and FM and Conor put on a great show. But thats what it was a show.

Boxing as a whole has been less and less popular with the rise of MMA.


Contact sports will always exist.
If you told me today whether I would take the risk of developing CTE but be one of the very few fortunate people to become a pro athlete, I would take that risk every single time.

I cannot think of a better career than one of a pro athlete, but I might be biased being a huge sports junkie.

Imagine if your parents were told there is a 90% chance you will have CTE if you play hockey/football/boxing/UFC. Do you think your parents start you down that path?

Of course athletes don't care, they are willing to dope themselves up even if it means they can lose everything when caught. But at some point it will reach a breaking point. There was a recent study showing like 90% of football players brains showed CTE.

I view a future where drugs are legal since people know their brains will be destroyed anyways. So atheletes will essentially all be doped up knowing that their lives will end at 40 or 50 due to drugs or CTE. Basically they will be signing their lives away for the thrill of the game. Or kids will just stop playing sports and there won't be anyone to draw from for the next generation
 

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At some point parents are going to stop putting their children's lives a trisk. It won't happen tomorrow, but given a long enough time line it will.

Anyways its my dystopian future view LOL. Sports will be made up of people signing their lives away and doped up on so many drugs that they know they will have no future after sports. If you are going to deal with CTE destroying your brain might as well allow steroids to destroy the rest of your body.

Yup, I see it already. Football enrollment in the community is down 30%. Hockey for 7-8yr olds is begging for players, however could be the hockey parents keeping others from the sport as usual, and not worries about head injuries.
 

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Yup, I see it already. Football enrollment in the community is down 30%. Hockey for 7-8yr olds is begging for players, however could be the hockey parents keeping others from the sport as usual, and not worries about head injuries.
I think in addition to what you mention I think you have to factor in economic reasons for decline. Costs to play are ever increasing and we are seeing families priced out of putting kids in organized sports.
 

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People that haven't realized Floyd's only job was to make this gong show last at least 25 mins so the suckers could feel good about this purchase :facepalm:

You do realize Floyd is 40 years old right? He's a legend but he's still human. This isn't about Conor facing the best in boxing in his prime. It's about Conor facing a retired fighter and trying to keep up.

Floyd was so worried he'd get injured prior to the fight he did not spar for a month. The whole notion that Floyd was toying with him when he's afraid to injure his hands in sparring seems a little misguided.

Floyd could've probably finished him earlier, no question. He had a strategy though and he stuck to it.
 

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Don't worry, sports will always exist. The money is good at pro level. Not to mention those who don't fight, box, bodycheck, etc... live vicariously through these athletes.

Yes many athletes will suffer injuries but if the pay is good...it's not a bad sacrifice.

I'd go into a heavyweight boxing fight and get one shot KOed in the 1st round if it meant a 100 million payday. Why wouldn't I?

What really matters is those not good enough to be high paid pros. Using hockey as an example: If you're an ECHL level talent...you shouldn't be going around giving and taking headshots. Kids in the CHL should not be getting brain damage, it's very sad when that happens.

Look at two former players in Latendresse and Blake Geoffrion who quit after an injury. Not the most recognized guys in the league but they had it right, don't let the damage get worse, you've made your money. It's guys like Clark MacArthur who have questionable intelligence given their injury history.

People have to be smarter about the path they take in life, that's all. At a young age hockey is not a contact sport, especially in Québec. There is no harm in enrolling your kids. If your kid is talented enough to go to higher levels as he gets older then you need to look at your options. In some cases hockey players get scholarships which is a fantastic fall back plan to an unsuccessful pro career.
 

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What it comes down to is that boxers train for one specific thing, Punching. MMA fighters train for many things. If all you do is work out your chest at the Gym you will have chicken legs but great pecs. Genetics will play a role, but the guy who does chest 7 days a week will look better than the guy who does chest 1 day a week.

On average a boxer will be a better puncher and can take a punch better than an MMA fighter. Just like an MMA fighter would be better in ground and pound/grappling than a boxer.
Nobody is arguing that the MMA fighter will be a better boxer than a boxer.
You discussed power. I said power has more to do with genetics. Some guys have brute natural strength, some guys don't.
As for a boxer being able to take a punch better, not sure I agree. MMA fighters eat punches too and they don't have big gloves.
I mean really, we have no way of confirming any of this so it's pointless.
Bottom line is power has a lot to do with genetics.

I know it sounds like I am selling Conor short, but I respect him as a fighter and think he is top notch. But he isn't a boxer and never boxed a professional bought. Just because you are a master at lacross doesn't mean you can step into the NHL. As good as Conor is in MMA he doesn't have a chance against a highly ranked boxer. Boxing has rules its not a "fight". Conor is way tougher than a local tough guy, but they would both have the same excperience in professional boxing matches.
Yes, you are completely selling CM short and it's a bit ridiculous. Comparing him to Lacrosse and the NHL? Connor practices boxing for everyone of his fights.
What does a Lacrosse player practice from his sport to translate to ice hockey? Having a net on the stick? Running?...Playing with a ball??
What a stupid comparison.
You realize Connor started boxing at 12 right? That is what he started with. It wasn't until 4-5 years later that he got into MMA.
So yes, he never had a pro fight in boxing, doesn't mean he's completely clueless just as a Lacrosse player would be in the NHL, or that he's on par with the local tough guy.
That's just a complete insult to his skills.
And FM's game plan was designed to make Conor look good, thats why I say he carried him. He basically let him punch himself tired for 3/4 rounds which made Conor look a wolrd beater. In reality those punches were like pillow taps to FM. He took Conors best shot in round 1 and it didn't faze him.

FM decided this was the best game plan for him to win. This idea that part of his startegy was to help and make CM look good is complete BS.
Not one single smart boxer would simply go in and try to beat CM in a couple of rounds. CM, despite what you may believe, is a two division champ in the UFC with legit KO power. Certainly, he is jumping sports, but boxing, although not as much focused on, remains part of his training.
So you have someone coming with an unorthodox style, you do not know much of anything about him regarding boxing.
You need to feel him out and start reading how he moves, how he punches, where are the openings. That is what FM did in the first rounds. Observe him to see how he could pick him apart. It took three rounds for him to read him well, then he started opening up more, and fatigue added on CM by the 6th round, and then it's all downhill for CM then.

Btw, FM said he was surprised by CM's boxing skills and power.
Much respect for Conor to step into the ring and he put on a good show, but he was out of his element. No different if FM fount an MMA match and Conor just rolled him on the mat for 2 or 3 rounds and then chocked him out.

It was a show and FM and Conor put on a great show. But thats what it was a show.

It actually is completely different and the fact you keep making such silly comparisons really shows how little respect you actually have for CM.
FM has never thrown a kick in his life. He's never wrestled, grappled, learned submissions, etc.
CM boxes for every one of his fights in the UFC.

Imagine if your parents were told there is a 90% chance you will have CTE if you play hockey/football/boxing/UFC. Do you think your parents start you down that path?

Of course athletes don't care, they are willing to dope themselves up even if it means they can lose everything when caught. But at some point it will reach a breaking point. There was a recent study showing like 90% of football players brains showed CTE.

I view a future where drugs are legal since people know their brains will be destroyed anyways. So atheletes will essentially all be doped up knowing that their lives will end at 40 or 50 due to drugs or CTE. Basically they will be signing their lives away for the thrill of the game. Or kids will just stop playing sports and there won't be anyone to draw from for the next generation

Well, sure, some parents will refuse to put their kids into some of these sports.
I would let my kid play whichever sport he wants though. If he gets hurt then we would re-evaluate. You don't get CTE from playing hockey as a 6 year old through your early teenage years.
 

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Nobody is arguing that the MMA fighter will be a better boxer than a boxer.
You discussed power. I said power has more to do with genetics. Some guys have brute natural strength, some guys don't.
As for a boxer being able to take a punch better, not sure I agree. MMA fighters eat punches too and they don't have big gloves.
I mean really, we have no way of confirming any of this so it's pointless.
Bottom line is power has a lot to do with genetics.

Genetics plays a role in body building, but someone with great genetics that doesn't work chest will have a less built up chest then someone who works chest out 5 days a week.
So on AVERAGE a boxer will be able to punch better and harder in the confines of the rules of a boxing match. Same with taking a punch. Boxers take 100's of punches in a 12 round match compared to what MMA fighters take.
My only point is that Boxing is built around punching, so a boxer will be better at punching than an MMA fighter that uses punches, kicks, hammerfists, wrestling and submissions. And boxers take punches to the face for a living so they will be better able to handle multiple punches over 12 rounds.
I think Conor's fight proved the point. His love taps didn't even faze Floyd, while Floyd was going to town on Conor and basically KO'd him on his feet when Floyd started to actually hit.
You watched the fight right? When Conor gave Floyd his best shots Floyd didn't even break a sweat.



Yes, you are completely selling CM short and it's a bit ridiculous. Comparing him to Lacrosse and the NHL? Connor practices boxing for everyone of his fights.
What does a Lacrosse player practice from his sport to translate to ice hockey? Having a net on the stick? Running?...Playing with a ball??
What a stupid comparison.
You realize Connor started boxing at 12 right? That is what he started with. It wasn't until 4-5 years later that he got into MMA.
So yes, he never had a pro fight in boxing, doesn't mean he's completely clueless just as a Lacrosse player would be in the NHL, or that he's on par with the local tough guy.
That's just a complete insult to his skills.

Lacross has a lot of similarties to Hockey, as much I think as Boxing (with all its rules and equipment) and MMA. And I am only selling Conor short in a boxing match under boxing rules. He is a great UFC fighter, great at talking and a great draw. But he was out of his element in a BOXING ring in a BOXING match. Being an amateur fighter is way different then being a Pro boxer and not doing it for years takes its toll. Practice is not the same as fighting a 12 round BOXING MATCH. Thats why the 12 rounds worked against Conor! I thought he had an interesting stance and got in a few good punchs, but he was outclassed by Floyd which was to be expected seeing how Floyd is a GOAT even at 40.



FM decided this was the best game plan for him to win. This idea that part of his startegy was to help and make CM look good is complete BS.
Not one single smart boxer would simply go in and try to beat CM in a couple of rounds. CM, despite what you may believe, is a two division champ in the UFC with legit KO power. Certainly, he is jumping sports, but boxing, although not as much focused on, remains part of his training.
So you have someone coming with an unorthodox style, you do not know much of anything about him regarding boxing.
You need to feel him out and start reading how he moves, how he punches, where are the openings. That is what FM did in the first rounds. Observe him to see how he could pick him apart. It took three rounds for him to read him well, then he started opening up more, and fatigue added on CM by the 6th round, and then it's all downhill for CM then.

Well I will disagree with you. I think Floyds plan was to put on a show and make Conor looked good and thats exactly what he did. He even fooled you. If he was fighting a different boxer I think he would of been picked apart alot earlier. Floyd threw like 15 punchs in the first 2 rounds thats nothing. We obviously view the fight differently so I don't see how will we come to an agreement here. I think CM did great in his first pro fight against a 49-0 boxer, he hung in there but he had no chance IMO and it was up to FM to decide when to end it.

Btw, FM said he was surprised by CM's boxing skills and power.


It actually is completely different and the fact you keep making such silly comparisons really shows how little respect you actually have for CM.
FM has never thrown a kick in his life. He's never wrestled, grappled, learned submissions, etc.
CM boxes for every one of his fights in the UFC.

The comparison was just to draw a parallel to how the fight was carried. If CM wanted to put on a show in UFC he could let Floyd throw some weak kicks and weak grapples until the 3rd round of a UFC fight where he would tap him out.
And stop saying I have little respect for CM. I respect him a lot as a MMA fighter. He is obvisouly a very tough guy and very accomplished. But he isn't a pro boxer and no amount of practice or MMA fights is going to change that. I am talking about PRO BOXING with gloves, 12 rounds, no hammerfist or taking the back of an opponent, all that. Conor was just not able to FIGHT A PRO BOXING MATCH under PRO BOXING rules. He doesn't have the stamina or the ability to take 100's of punches that Boxer need to have.



Well, sure, some parents will refuse to put their kids into some of these sports.
I would let my kid play whichever sport he wants though. If he gets hurt then we would re-evaluate. You don't get CTE from playing hockey as a 6 year old through your early teenage years.

TBH I am looking at it from a football perspective. Hockey hasn't been hit as hard by CTE. But football young kids are at risk. Even highschool its full on hitting. And if football falls other sports are not far behind.
 

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It's a bit debated right now, Dana tends to be full of **** most of the time. We'll know all the official numbers soon. Wouldn't surprise me if it ends up breaking all the records mind you, if my circle of friends/family members is any indication .

For sure. Even if Dana is off by a half million, it still breaks the record. Sounds like there were roughly 3 millions illegal streams of the fight on top of that as well.
 

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since illegal streams was mentioned, any truth to the rumor I heard about a class action lawsuit?

Heard it was because the quality wasn't as promised and also threw in a bit of illegal streams in there as well.
 

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since illegal streams was mentioned, any truth to the rumor I heard about a class action lawsuit?

Heard it was because the quality wasn't as promised and also threw in a bit of illegal streams in there as well.

There's no legal precedent for something like that as far as I know. I'm not sure it would be able to hold court since you'd have to define the concept of reasonable expectation in a sporting event , which would open a giant can of worms for potential future case. I can't imagine a judge taking that step.
 

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Well I will disagree with you. I think Floyds plan was to put on a show and make Conor looked good and thats exactly what he did.

Apparently he fooled himself as FM did not say that himself. He explained his game plan. He wanted to come in and feel him out, which is what he does for every fighters. He even said he wanted to put on a show and be aggressive, but there's a way to go about it and that is what his game plan was.
There is no point in further discussing this though. Fact you keep calling CM's punches love taps and saying him boxing is like a Lacrosse player going to the NHL, shows pretty clearly how little respect you have for CM.
 

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Apparently he fooled himself as FM did not say that himself. He explained his game plan. He wanted to come in and feel him out, which is what he does for every fighters. He even said he wanted to put on a show and be aggressive, but there's a way to go about it and that is what his game plan was.
There is no point in further discussing this though. Fact you keep calling CM's punches love taps and saying him boxing is like a Lacrosse player going to the NHL, shows pretty clearly how little respect you have for CM.

You have been correct on every point in this discussion.

CM has alot more power tham FM. Unfortunately he was not able to harness it as FM did a masterful job of keeping him of balance enough to reduce CM to arm shots.

Punching power is entirely genetic. Much in the same sense that the ability to throw a ball hard is genetic. Natural body mechanics and natural strength are the building blocks for prolific power punchers. Without these two factors you have no chance of being an elite power puncher at the highest level of competition. I know guys who hit much harder than boxers that I
know despite being similar in size and without any formal training.

Professional boxing is littered wth fighters who could never develop power despite training for the majority of their life. Then you see tough man competions where slobs are throwing bombs that many boxers can only dream of.

I know guys that have hardly ever worked out who are much more powerful than guys who religiously hit the gym. Genetics is everything.....especially at the highest level.
 

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Apparently he fooled himself as FM did not say that himself. He explained his game plan. He wanted to come in and feel him out, which is what he does for every fighters. He even said he wanted to put on a show and be aggressive, but there's a way to go about it and that is what his game plan was.
There is no point in further discussing this though. Fact you keep calling CM's punches love taps and saying him boxing is like a Lacrosse player going to the NHL, shows pretty clearly how little respect you have for CM.

I think there's 2 sides to the argument really. CM obviously promoted the hell out of himself to the point people felt he'd have a better chance. I heard several boxers say post fight that CM's stance is not conducive to a power shot in boxing which...is possible. In MMA we often see him lunging forward more so maybe it makes a difference?

Either way, I don't buy the whole FM toyed with CM. It doesn't mean FM couldn't have taken a risk and finished it sooner either. FM went on record saying he didn't spar for a month leading up to the fight out of fear of giving himself an injury, even going as far as repeating CM's "brittle hands" comment. I don't think FM wanted to get into a brawl and I really don't see why he should've. He's an experienced, legend level boxer with a very high boxing IQ. He is an opportunist. If Conor's cardio held up, it would've been another strategy.

The fact FM started changing his defense to conor after the first few rounds shows he wasn't toying with Conor. His decision to bury his head into Conor's chest left Conor with little options or experience. Why would a guy who is basically 'toying' and 'letting CM hit him' bother coming up with a new strategy mid fight? Paulie M. even said he had difficulty reading Conor in first few rounds as well. Many boxing analysts said it was Conor's advantage leading in, that he was 'different'.
 

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You have been correct on every point in this discussion.

CM has alot more power tham FM. Unfortunately he was not able to harness it as FM did a masterful job of keeping him of balance enough to reduce CM to arm shots.

Punching power is entirely genetic. Much in the same sense that the ability to throw a ball hard is genetic. Natural body mechanics and natural strength are the building blocks for prolific power punchers. Without these two factors you have no chance of being an elite power puncher at the highest level of competition. I know guys who hit much harder than boxers that I
know despite being similar in size and without any formal training.

Professional boxing is littered wth fighters who could never develop power despite training for the majority of their life. Then you see tough man competions where slobs are throwing bombs that many boxers can only dream of.

I know guys that have hardly ever worked out who are much more powerful than guys who religiously hit the gym. Genetics is everything.....especially at the highest level.

Genetics plays a huge part. It isn't just about the power either. What type of muscle fiber are you most dominant in and how you train according to that can also be game changing. How your organs, muscles and bones are built too. Heck, the size of your hand can play a major impact.
So many things go into genetics that scrudabam simply doesn't seem to be aware of.

I was having this argument with a friend of mine last time who feels that every single human, if they put in the same time, can accomplish the same things, which is simply a fairytale.
 

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I think there's 2 sides to the argument really. CM obviously promoted the hell out of himself to the point people felt he'd have a better chance. I heard several boxers say post fight that CM's stance is not conducive to a power shot in boxing which...is possible. In MMA we often see him lunging forward more so maybe it makes a difference?
I really didn't believe CM had a chance. Sure, a puncher's chance that mostly depended on if FM was going to make a mistake as opposed to CM tricking him.
As for his stance, sure, it's possible.

Either way, I don't buy the whole FM toyed with CM. It doesn't mean FM couldn't have taken a risk and finished it sooner either. FM went on record saying he didn't spar for a month leading up to the fight out of fear of giving himself an injury, even going as far as repeating CM's "brittle hands" comment. I don't think FM wanted to get into a brawl and I really don't see why he should've. He's an experienced, legend level boxer with a very high boxing IQ. He is an opportunist. If Conor's cardio held up, it would've been another strategy.

As you said, really made no sense for him to get in there and brawl. That would have given a better chance to CM.
What FM did was put on a boxing clinic. This idea that he went in there and let CM get some shots in just to put a show on is silly. His entire legacy was on the line, but even bigger than that, the entire sport of Boxing also was.
This was arguably the most important fight of his career. If he loses, he does it vs a MMA fighter who never had a pro boxing fight before. That would have given even more fuel to all the people claiming FM has gotten away with victories simply by running from his opponent.
On top of that, the sport of Boxing would look terrible. One of your greatest of all time just lost versus a new Boxer. Why would any upcoming youngsters decide to go into boxing when they can go into MMA and still outbox boxers?

So ya. There is no ****ing way FM was going in there to just toy around. He had a very precise game plan and he stuck to it.

The fact FM started changing his defense to conor after the first few rounds shows he wasn't toying with Conor. His decision to bury his head into Conor's chest left Conor with little options or experience. Why would a guy who is basically 'toying' and 'letting CM hit him' bother coming up with a new strategy mid fight? Paulie M. even said he had difficulty reading Conor in first few rounds as well. Many boxing analysts said it was Conor's advantage leading in, that he was 'different'.

Absolutely. CM was a complete unknown. You don't just rush someone who you have never seen boxe before. He spent the first few rounds feeling and reading him out. Once he got comfortable and a good read on him, he started to attack more.
 

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You do realize Floyd is 40 years old right? He's a legend but he's still human. This isn't about Conor facing the best in boxing in his prime. It's about Conor facing a retired fighter and trying to keep up.

Floyd was so worried he'd get injured prior to the fight he did not spar for a month. The whole notion that Floyd was toying with him when he's afraid to injure his hands in sparring seems a little misguided.

Floyd could've probably finished him earlier, no question. He had a strategy though and he stuck to it.

His only strategy was to make all the PPV buyers happy and make it go 8+ rounds. It would be like me playing Jordan Spieth in a 9 hole game. Yeah sure, I have a chance, I'll hit a few fairways.. but if I'm in it after 4 holes its because he is playing with just his putter.

Anyways , I guess the fans got what they wanted and thats all that mattered. I never paid for it so difference to me.
 
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