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I think Turris is a really good pick for this team.

If Hall, Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins (not even worthy of an invite at this time) don't show up at their age and after this putrid season in Edmonton, they should lose all benefit of the doubt for future, more significant editions of Canada.
 
JackSlater said:
I think Turris is a really good pick for this team.

If Hall, Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins (not even worthy of an invite at this time) don't show up at their age and after this putrid season in Edmonton, they should lose all benefit of the doubt for future, more significant editions of Canada.
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This might sound harsh-but i agree with you. Hall and Eberle can only help their cause for future Team Canada selections by showing up after this disaster of a season in Edmonton. Unless they are injured and hurting, if i were in their shoes- it would be a no brainer for me to go represent my country after the year they had in Edmonton.
 
Mehar said:
This might sound harsh-but i agree with you. Hall and Eberle can only help their cause for future Team Canada selections by showing up after this disaster of a season in Edmonton. Unless they are injured and hurting, if i were in their shoes- it would be a no brainer for me to go represent my country after the year they had in Edmonton.
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It would be more beneficial than simply being favourable in the minds of Hockey Canada. They need to play with guys who compete; guys who play hard at both ends of the ice. All 3 need to mature -- and learn what it takes to win. This time around, Hall would actually get decent ice time as well.
 
I could care less if the Oil kids go this year. Ruff benching Hall, the Nurse snub..and Hall not even getting a mention for the Olympic team?.. Team Canada is a joke aside from the Olympics.

Eberle has done so much for Canada internationally yet at the WCs they start him on the 3rd or 4th lines.

Sooo many other players like Iggy etc.. get a pass for not going and nobody says a thing but people will call out the kids if they say no?

I would rather have them rest and train for next season then risk injury for a tournament that Canada won't win.
 
Iceonfire said:
I could care less if the Oil kids go this year. Ruff benching Hall, the Nurse snub..and Hall not even getting a mention for the Olympic team?.. Team Canada is a joke aside from the Olympics.

Eberle has done so much for Canada internationally yet at the WCs they start him on the 3rd or 4th lines.

Sooo many other players like Iggy etc.. get a pass for not going and nobody says a thing but people will call out the kids if they say no?

I would rather have them rest and train for next season then risk injury for a tournament that Canada won't win.
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...did you even watch the World's last year? Look at the roster we had and tell me why Eberle deserved to play on the 1st or 2nd lines. As for the benching of Hall; his play was the reason. Too much straight line play that ended up as dead rushes heading back the other way. Understand how Yzerman/Babcock picked the Olympic team and you will realize why Hall (deservedly so) wasn't even on the bubble.

Research is a beautiful thing. It's tragic how so many rely on subjective motives and ignore the empirical data.
 
Mehar said:
This might sound harsh-but i agree with you. Hall and Eberle can only help their cause for future Team Canada selections by showing up after this disaster of a season in Edmonton. Unless they are injured and hurting, if i were in their shoes- it would be a no brainer for me to go represent my country after the year they had in Edmonton.
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This is not an important tournament, but it is a testing ground for other, more important tournaments to come. The WC gives young players a chance to get experience on international ice, and in the case of players from crappy teams (ie the Oilers) it gives them a chance to play some hockey in a somewhat pressurized situation. If you look at Canada's Olympic roster, most of those players had at least one successful tournament at the WC before playing at the Olympics.

Unless there is an injury or maybe a contract issue, there is no excuse for a player in their 20s on a losing team to skip this tournament.
 
KBobs20 said:
...did you even watch the World's last year? Look at the roster we had and tell me why Eberle deserved to play on the 1st or 2nd lines. As for the benching of Hall; his play was the reason. Too much straight line play that ended up as dead rushes heading back the other way. Understand how Yzerman/Babcock picked the Olympic team and you will realize why Hall (deservedly so) wasn't even on the bubble.

Research is a beautiful thing. It's tragic how so many rely on subjective motives and ignore the empirical data.
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Yes, I did watch.

Did you watch the game after Hall was benched? Because I did..

http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=6098

And lol @ research. Why would I need to? I watched those games.

And Eberle is better internationally than the Staals at this point. They are way too slow.
 
Not that i've heard.

Is it just me or do players and coaches named seem to be more slow in forthcoming this year then usual for the Skoda tournament?

Maybe it seems more useless or uninspiring then ever for TC management to get ramped up for this thing

I mean, what is the point when you and everyone else and their dog already knows who the world champs are?

While I always enjoy watching this tournament it's level of meaningfulness has never been lower then it is this year.

It truly has zero credibility cache this year at all.

These things have already been decided.

And yes, I would say the same thing regardless of what country it was that had won back to back best on best olympics on big ice/small and in vastly different locations.


The skodas have never been more irrelevant.
 
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Derek Van Diest ‏@SUNdvandiest 5m
Taylor Hall will not be going to World Championships, has a few nagging injuries that need to heal up. #Oilers

Hall isn't going.
 
Lindo said:
Derek Van Diest ‏@SUNdvandiest 5m
Taylor Hall will not be going to World Championships, has a few nagging injuries that need to heal up. #Oilers

Hall isn't going.
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Ya, I don't particularly buy the nagging injuries line. He played 23+ minutes in yesterday's game. looked great racking up 3 helpers. if he had any nagging injuries, they'd be all healed up in a month. Better to say, no, just not in the mood to trek all the way over there for a meaningless tournament. I'd have more respect for him if he said that.
 
Mr Writer said:
Ya, I don't particularly buy the nagging injuries line. He played 23+ minutes in yesterday's game. looked great racking up 3 helpers. if he had any nagging injuries, they'd be all healed up in a month. Better to say, no, just not in the mood to trek all the way over there for a meaningless tournament. I'd have more respect for him if he said that.
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hes had a knee brace since November
 
Lindo said:
Derek Van Diest ‏@SUNdvandiest 5m
Taylor Hall will not be going to World Championships, has a few nagging injuries that need to heal up. #Oilers

Hall isn't going.
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The injuries must be to his head, because this makes no sense. Hall is 22 years old and a serious candidate (emphasis on candidate) for future editions of Team Canada. He's also on the biggest joke franchise in the NHL over the last five years, and has yet to play truly significant hockey as a professional. Only represented Canada once at this tournament, and failed to impress. Clearly in acceptable condition physically given recent performance. As the best Canadian forward not to make the playoffs, he would be assured of a prominent role on the team. Not acceptable.

Eberle's decision doesn't make sense either, but at least he has played at this tournament numerous times.
 
JackSlater said:
The injuries must be to his head, because this makes no sense. Hall is 22 years old and a serious candidate (emphasis on candidate) for future editions of Team Canada. He's also on the biggest joke franchise in the NHL over the last five years, and has yet to play truly significant hockey as a professional. Only represented Canada once at this tournament, and failed to impress. Clearly in acceptable condition physically given recent performance. As the best Canadian forward not to make the playoffs, he would be assured of a prominent role on the team. Not acceptable.

Eberle's decision doesn't make sense either, but at least he has played at this tournament numerous times.
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He was the 2nd best player at last years tournament and wasn't in a prominent role, wasn't even given PP time, and was given low icetime with players he didn't play well with, as both Duchene and hall carry the puck, He was easily the 2nd best offensive player behind Stamkos, even in reduced minutes. Ruff did that to him, and that's the reason that team didn't come close to a medal, among others.
With that aside, Hes had his knee in a brace all season since a knee on knee hit, and hasn't been practicing lately due to his own nagging injuries, Hopefully the pens are knocked out so Kunitz can save this team
 
Rawg said:
He was the 2nd best player at last years tournament and wasn't in a prominent role, wasn't even given PP time, and was given low icetime with players he didn't play well with, as both Duchene and hall carry the puck, He was easily the 2nd best offensive player behind Stamkos, even in reduced minutes. Ruff did that to him, and that's the reason that team didn't come close to a medal, among others.
With that aside, Hes had his knee in a brace all season since a knee on knee hit, and hasn't been practicing lately due to his own nagging injuries, Hopefully the pens are knocked out so Kunitz can save this team
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Hall is obviously behind Stamkos and Giroux, and given how they performed last year he would have to be behind Duchene as well. I do agree that he was improperly utilized, but the best way to prove that would be to perform well this year. If his injuries were serious enough to preclude him form the tournament, he should have sat out once the Oilers were eliminated from contention.
 
JackSlater said:
Hall is obviously behind Stamkos and Giroux, and given how they performed last year he would have to be behind Duchene as well. I do agree that he was improperly utilized, but the best way to prove that would be to perform well this year. If his injuries were serious enough to preclude him form the tournament, he should have sat out once the Oilers were eliminated from contention.
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Really? You think that because the oilers were out of contention early he should have took time off from his JOB to be healed up for a voluntary tourny? Lol
 
JackSlater said:
Hall is obviously behind Stamkos and Giroux, and given how they performed last year he would have to be behind Duchene as well. I do agree that he was improperly utilized, but the best way to prove that would be to perform well this year. If his injuries were serious enough to preclude him form the tournament, he should have sat out once the Oilers were eliminated from contention.
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Last year Hall had more points then Giroux and Duchene while playing less games. Also a better +/- of all three of the players mentioned. I said this on the Oilers section too, It was an eastern conference team with a eastern conference coach who was un familiar to Hall, He is not a 3rd line player, and he is not someone who can play with Duchene. If you were him, would you really fly across the world to Belarus of all places after the debacle of last year to a tournament no one in NA really cares about :/
 
oStealthKiller said:
Really? You think that because the oilers were out of contention early he should have took time off from his JOB to be healed up for a voluntary tourny? Lol
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No, not to heal up for this tournament. I am saying that if his injury was not severe enough to sit out meaningless NHL games, then I doubt they are severe enough to sit out these slightly less meaningless games yet to be played. If he had a noticeable drop in performance that would be one thing, but it does not seem to be the case.

Rawg said:
Last year Hall had more points then Giroux and Duchene while playing less games. Also a better +/- of all three of the players mentioned. I said this on the Oilers section too, It was an eastern conference team with a eastern conference coach who was un familiar to Hall, He is not a 3rd line player, and he is not someone who can play with Duchene. If you were him, would you really fly across the world to Belarus of all places after the debacle of last year to a tournament no one in NA really cares about :/
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I was one of the few people here defending Hall for his play last year, but there is no way to spin his performance other than disappointing. Not terrible, but disappointing. Obviously the coaching played a part in that. If I was Hall and wanted to be a part of future editions of Team Canada, like a World Cup or Olympic team, then yes I absolutely would participate.
 
JackSlater said:
Eberle's decision doesn't make sense either, but at least he has played at this tournament numerous times.
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Eberle's decision makes perfect sense. According to Ryan Rishaug Eberle has had 5+ icepacks on after games for a number of weeks now. The issue is supposedly in his wrist, something that is pretty important to his game.
 
JackSlater said:
I was one of the few people here defending Hall for his play last year, but there is no way to spin his performance other than disappointing. Not terrible, but disappointing. Obviously the coaching played a part in that. If I was Hall and wanted to be a part of future editions of Team Canada, like a World Cup or Olympic team, then yes I absolutely would participate.
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If I'm the manager of the 2018 Olympic Team and I'm deciding if Taylor Hall is going to be on this squad, I'm not counting up how many World Championships he's signed up for. Any organization that takes stuff like that into account is bush league and not seriously committed to winning.
 
Hockey Nightmare said:
If I'm the manager of the 2018 Olympic Team and I'm deciding if Taylor Hall is going to be on this squad, I'm not counting up how many World Championships he's signed up for. Any organization that takes stuff like that into account is bush league and not seriously committed to winning.
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For better or worse, every single national governing body takes things other than play on the ice into consideration. Far more important is that part of being picked to these teams is building a resume. Since becoming a professional, Taylor Hall has 0 playoff experience (Hockey Canada considered that, as per the CBC behind the scenes documentary) and has a single World Championship tournament, at which his play was underwhelming. So yes, it is in fact important for him to play in tournaments like this if he wants to play on the big teams. In my opinion he is an obvious pick for Canada going forward, but he has obviously hurt his chances somewhat with this decision.

What is the difference between Taylor Hall and Matt Duchene in terms of play? Hall is a bit better offensively, while Duchene is a bit more well rounded. Hall even plays at a position where Canada is weak, while Duchene plays at Canada's strongest position. TSN had Duchene projected on the roster all along, and one of the main points that they mentioned was that Duchene had impressed at the World Championships last year. Hall has done nothing to impress internationally, or in the playoffs. If anyone thinks that these things don't enter Hockey Canada's decision making process, they have not been paying attention.
 
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