OT: General OT MEGATHREAD (No Politics) Pt. 3 - Read OP before posting

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Take your time off. It’s earned and needed. Sounds like you have a shit boss if they’re constantly taking advantage of you.

If that’s the corporate norm for your company, a good boss would be pushing back on that to protect his people, because he/she should realize they’ll lose you eventually.
 
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Essentially yes, but since I’m a veteran guy my time off requests are rarely questioned. Not to get too personal but with me is I rarely take off, the last 4 years especially since my girlfriend has been in school full time. So I just work, but it’s starting to wear on me mentally and literally physically. I’m more annoyed with their mismanagement of other guys which leads to a good employee being pissed. I basically just need to tell them no, like you said

I'm like you in that I take a lot of responsibility for daily operations etc in any business and have a hard time letting go and walking away for a week. I'm way WAY overdue even now and it's coloring my attitude toward work. I don't think I've had a real go-somewhere vacation in 20 years. I usually just take a week off to golf and avoid meetings while answering emails and doing "urgent" work shit anyway :laugh:

So I can preach it but not always practice it...though it's a little different when you're in a start up company like I am. Fewer people to pick up the slack and more dire consequences if you don't.
 
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You have to recharge the batteries and view that as a crucial part of the entire package. Self-care is an investment in your work performance. Burned out people make more mistakes. Disgruntled people are shittier workers.

If they don't see it that way they're just whip crackers who say one thing and then make it practically impossible to follow through, because they know someone will step up. It isn't until that void is left unfilled that they're forced to make a change.

In this case, if they're preaching family time etc then they're probably mostly talking about people with kids and they're justifying their OWN PTO, not yours. So you have to defend your PTO and not give in. Don't tell them where you're going or what you're doing more than is necessary to answer reasonable questions. The fact that you have personal shit to do and a right to X weeks of PTO is all they need to know. But don't be a dick about it lol

Totally, just be professional and sincere, explain what you’re feeling. A good boss should react appropriately and take care of you. If not, then you know it’s time to roll out.

Interesting line of work BTW….dangerous to an extent I assume. When I was learning to Scuba, my dive master was an underwater welder in Sweden in the off-season. Used to tell us how dangerous working under water/ships was.
 
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One of my bosses now was an assistant supervisor when I was coming up, a dude I liked as a person but not a worker. Basically for all the reasons I said, he would never show up for an extended job that would cut into the weekend or travel much. Always seems catered too for whatever reason and is now getting groomed for an office position with his degree (which I would never use against anyone, he worked hard for so i respect that) but the fact is he is expecting a ton of weekend work when he really never stepped up. Which is extremely frustrating.
 
I'm like you in that I take a lot of responsibility for daily operations etc in any business and have a hard time letting go and walking away for a week. I'm way WAY overdue even now and it's coloring my attitude toward work. I don't think I've had a real go-somewhere vacation in 20 years. I usually just take a week off to golf and avoid meetings while answering emails and doing "urgent" work shit anyway :laugh:

So I can preach it but not always practice it...though it's a little different when you're in a start up company like I am. Fewer people to pick up the slack and more dire consequences if you don't.
For sure, like I said I need to take more time for myself. Really a lot of it comes from my girlfriend being so busy with school it just kept me working. But really you sound like you need a vacation also lol.
Totally, just be professional and sincere, explain what you’re feeling. A good boss should react appropriately and take care of you. If not, then you know it’s time to roll out.

Interesting line of work BTW….dangerous to an extent I assume. When I was learning to Scuba, my dive master was an underwater welder in Sweden in the off-season. Used to tell us how dangerous working under water/ships was.
It’s an interesting job for sure, with my older siblings going to college I went more of a blue collar route and never had great patience for class. Anyways commercial dive school was cool, and I was fortunate to have an in at the company I work for now. Diving under ships all the time gets mundane like any job I suppose, but the pay is good and it’s granted me with a financially secure but over worked life lol. But yeah we just clean barnacles on navy ships, it can be very dangerous. My rant is officially over, thanks bros
 
What’s funny is when I first started there was some older disgruntled divers that use to complain a lot. My younger self with a point to prove was like “what’s wrong with these guys, this money is great and it’s even better with overtime!” Slowly but surely morphing into one of those dudes haha f***. But since I never say no, and have a good attitude at work, it’s essentially used against me. While some guys never work OT or travel, and just skate by. Fml
Like others already mentioned definitely try and take a Friday or Monday off now and then. Though I recently moved into management worked the same position for 20 years so dealing with burnout happened every year. Found though in my last year of the previous role that one Friday/Monday off a month surprisingly helped.

The team I manage is a mix of veterans of 8 - 20 years but the majority of the rest are 0 to 3 years and all but one under 30 so it is interesting. There are definitely some that are highly productive but others less so but bring other experience that are critical for the team to function well.
Anyone else twitter feed go to dogshit after Elon Musk took over? My feed is full of MAGA people i dont follow and LGBT hating people boycotting everything spewing hate all day. I think this week they banned Bud light, Jack Daniels and Ford trucks because rainbows scare their kids.
Haven't opened twitter since the day Musk bought it. Plus I used a 3rd party android app which they unceremoniously pulled the plus on all 3rd party apps.

I really admired Musk years ago but appreciate him reveling in American freedom by revealing what an utter arse head he is.
 
For sure, it’s getting to that point where another career sounds like the move. I work for a company that is contracted by the Navy to clean hulls underwater, with great pay and at first the work load wasn’t as much and I was very driven to succeed which I did. Now the past 5 years has been a different story with new management taking over and implementing more overtime and a higher workload which honestly sucks after a while. Legit being on the road 5 months out of the year (I go on trips a lot as a guy with no kids, and because essentially they don’t have a ton of guys that want to travel, so basically I just do it to help them out) and turning around quick on a job to come home to work Fri-sat-sun after being gone at least 2 weeks. And that’s just really the tip of the iceberg, sorry for the rant
One of my childhood buddies works as an underwater engineer.

Dives in muddy zero visibility waters and inspects bridges, boats, fixes things.

Makes bank.
 
Don't know if there are any fans of the old D.C. post-punk/noise-rock band Black Eyes (2001-2004, Dischord Records), but they played a few 20-year reunion shows last weekend (in D.C., NYC, and Philly). I caught them last night in Philadelphia and it was wonderful. I also saw a couple dozen of old D.C. scene folks (including former co-workers, roommates, and bandmates) that I haven't seen in a good 5-15 years.

The band was even kind enough to start around 10-ish and end before 11:30 p.m., because we're all old now, and our knees/backs hurt and we need to sleep, lol.
 
Don't know if there are any fans of the old D.C. post-punk/noise-rock band Black Eyes (2001-2004, Dischord Records), but they played a few 20-year reunion shows last weekend (in D.C., NYC, and Philly). I caught them last night in Philadelphia and it was wonderful. I also saw a couple dozen of old D.C. scene folks (including former co-workers, roommates, and bandmates) that I haven't seen in a good 5-15 years.

The band was even kind enough to start around 10-ish and end before 11:30 p.m., because we're all old now, and our knees/backs hurt and we need to sleep, lol.
Weird doesn't ring a bell.
 
What’s funny is when I first started there was some older disgruntled divers that use to complain a lot. My younger self with a point to prove was like “what’s wrong with these guys, this money is great and it’s even better with overtime!” Slowly but surely morphing into one of those dudes haha f***. But since I never say no, and have a good attitude at work, it’s essentially used against me. While some guys never work OT or travel, and just skate by. Fml
The natural progression in life. When I was younger and single I didn’t understand why guys didn’t want to travel or take on more work. Now, being older and wiser as well as married and a father, I totally get it.

Always remember that companies don’t give a shit about you. They exist strictly to make money. Even if you have a good boss and they treat you well the company will always choose the bottom line, especially if forced to make a choice. I work in tech and I can’t tell you the number of friends I’ve had get laid off from companies they poured their heart and soul into for years, often times at the expense of their own mental, physical, and emotional well-being.

Also remember that constantly going above and beyond is only benefitting the people with shares in the company because they’re making more money without having to increase cost. If they’re not bonusing you or promoting you you are essentially giving them free labor and you’ll never be compensated for that. Set clear boundaries for when and how you work and if the company doesn’t like it that’s their problem — if their business model is centered around exploiting underpaid employees to save costs and increase profits then f*** them anyway.

Life is too short man. Work is important because we live in a society that hates poor people and treats the lower class as indentured servants so you have to participate at a certain level in order to have a decent quality of life but you should do your best to find a way to make work work for you. Burnout is real and it sounds like you’re getting there if not there already. I can tell you from experience once you pass into the world of burnout it’s really tough to get out of.
 
The natural progression in life. When I was younger and single I didn’t understand why guys didn’t want to travel or take on more work. Now, being older and wiser as well as married and a father, I totally get it.

Always remember that companies don’t give a shit about you. They exist strictly to make money. Even if you have a good boss and they treat you well the company will always choose the bottom line, especially if forced to make a choice. I work in tech and I can’t tell you the number of friends I’ve had get laid off from companies they poured their heart and soul into for years, often times at the expense of their own mental, physical, and emotional well-being.

Also remember that constantly going above and beyond is only benefitting the people with shares in the company because they’re making more money without having to increase cost. If they’re not bonusing you or promoting you you are essentially giving them free labor and you’ll never be compensated for that. Set clear boundaries for when and how you work and if the company doesn’t like it that’s their problem — if their business model is centered around exploiting underpaid employees to save costs and increase profits then f*** them anyway.

Life is too short man. Work is important because we live in a society that hates poor people and treats the lower class as indentured servants so you have to participate at a certain level in order to have a decent quality of life but you should do your best to find a way to make work work for you. Burnout is real and it sounds like you’re getting there if not there already. I can tell you from experience once you pass into the world of burnout it’s really tough to get out of.

There are actual studies on burnout, I think. I can take several months to shake.
 
Don't think I've ever read a more devastating NYT Mag article like this on Sandy Hook but these two paragraphs stick with me. I can gift the article just PM me. But after nothing happened after SH I knew probably nothing ever would. Full disclosure I do have two semi-auto rifles.

By a cluster of desks was the Bushmaster. Its barrel and muzzle brake were coated in a film of white powder. A less experienced observer might have thought that it was concrete dust from bullets hitting the walls. But Dan was sure, from his time in the Marines, that the chalky residue was baked evaporated blood.

Karoline then steered the attorney general, his stride no longer so firm, into Classroom 8. The room where, days before, their resolve wavered. Where they momentarily lost and regained their sense of purpose. Where they all stood in silent disbelief, a light drizzle on the window ticking off each annihilating second, staring into the tiny bathroom. Where the children were packed in so tightly that the inward-hinged door could not be shut all the way. Where Art, who had seen what he had thought must have been every possible reconfiguration of the human body, did not even understand what he was looking at. And where Karoline found herself doing something that came naturally: holding up an imaginary rifle, pointing it into the bathroom, registering the casings on the carpet to her right where the ejection port would have sent them and noting automatically that this was obviously where the shooter would have been standing when he fired the Bushmaster. It was when she felt Jeff looking at her that she dropped the imaginary gun and left the room.
 
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Don't think I've ever read a more devastating NYT Mag article like this on Sandy Hook but these two paragraphs stick with me. I can gift the article just PM me. But after nothing happened after SH I knew probably nothing ever would. Full disclosure I do have two semi-auto rifles.
Mother of God.

And yes. That was the end of hope for gun sanity.
 
Sad that we can't even talk about it -- here or anywhere-- because of the way it's been turned into a taboo and muddied topic that will draw the predictable volley of responses and counter-responses until there's nothing left but "controversy".

And in an appeal to fairness fallacy, we accept "controversy" as a justification for doing nothing, or a chilling effect on potentially relevant information.

Applies to more than just this issue.
 
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Don't think I've ever read a more devastating NYT Mag article like this on Sandy Hook but these two paragraphs stick with me. I can gift the article just PM me. But after nothing happened after SH I knew probably nothing ever would. Full disclosure I do have two semi-auto rifles.
Tried reading this this morning in my office while the kids were eating breakfast and couldn’t finish it. Put down my phone and closed my lap top then just sat with them on the couch holding them for a while before I took them to school. I cannot begin to imagine the pure rage and devastation these parents must live through on a daily basis.

Jacob Trouba and the Rangers recently did a very cool thing for the brother of a Sandy Hook victim. If you don’t want to cry I’d suggest not watching it. We as a society have failed our kids on an unthinkable level.


 
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There are actual studies on burnout, I think. I can take several months to shake.
I have personal experience with burnout. In my job there are no “boundaries” and you basically have to be available 24/7, work most weekends, and can’t really say “no”. You do get bonuses, etc… for extra hours - but it just wears you down, esp as I have a tendency to burn the candle on both ends. And the work isn’t in service of anything particularly productive or prideful - but rather in service of the almighty Billable Hours G-d, and giant tech companies suing each other for sport.

Anyways, after a decade+ of this - my physical and mental health deteriorated to an alarming degree. I was fried and out of gas. Not to mention the strains on various relationships. So, I stepped away - that shit is not worth it (which you especially realize once you get out of such an environment). Life is indeed too short. It took at least 6 months to kinda re-center and have the energy to be productive again.

Now, I have a situation with more balance. Better family life, playing in bands again - and time to waste posting on a hockey board way too often ;) Sorry if a bit of TMI.
 
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I have personal experience with burnout. In my job there are no “boundaries” and you basically have to be available 24/7, work most weekends, and can’t really say “no”. You do get bonuses, etc… for extra hours - but it just wears you down, esp as I have a tendency to burn the candle on both ends. And the work isn’t in service of anything particularly productive or prideful - but rather in service of the almighty Billable Hours G-d, and giant tech companies suing each other for sport.

Anyways, after a decade+ of this - my physical and mental health deteriorated to an alarming degree. I was fried and out of gas. Not to mention the strains on various relationships. So, I stepped away - that shit is not worth it (which you especially realize once you get out of such an environment). Life is indeed too short. It took at least 6 months to kinda re-center and have the energy to be productive again.

Now, I have a situation with more balance. Better family life, playing in bands again - and time to waste posting on a hockey board way too often ;) Sorry if a bit of TMI.

No not TMI, great to hear. I and people I know identify completely. Glad you're reclaiming your life.

Corporate culture is designed to chew people up and spit them out. Anyone who's the least bit insecure with "imposter syndrome" or is just an overachiever/workaholic is going to be abused.

Companies aren't families. Families are families.

And nobody is going to give you back your time.
 
All my friends and colleagues have been getting into this sports gambling venture it's high time I start joining in. I will probably start small and stay small as I already make enough with two jobs but a little side hustle won't hurt lol
 
All my friends and colleagues have been getting into this sports gambling venture it's high time I start joining in. I will probably start small and stay small as I already make enough with two jobs but a little side hustle won't hurt lol
Never had a desire to really gamble ever. I mean when the powerball/megamillions but that is more the idiot tax.
 
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Never had a desire to really gamble ever. I mean when the powerball/megamillions but that is more the idiot tax.
i'm wetting my beak with vcash for now. been able to place various online wagers which don't hurt my bank account

When I go big time I'm probably going to start with small bets. Putting 50 or70 on a game just seems too grand
 
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