OT: General OT MEGATHREAD (No Politics) Pt. 3 - Read OP before posting

[crazy8888]

Again, what would that look like if an actual political bias was in fact built into the algorithm? Certain keywords focused on what? Racial statements, religious statements, reproductive rights, what exactly would a programmer slip into an algorithm, be approved company wide, that specifically targets the tweets of one party and not the other party? Can it be done? Sure. Is it actually part of the algorithm? Very very unlikely.

What is more likely is, the algorithm seeks out violations of the terms of service (which are public) and flags them for review by humans, who make thousands of decisions on if the algorithm got it right, or the Tweet is in fact compliant with the ToS (or at least they used to refer to humans but I think they're all gone now)

What is also more likely, and fairly easily provable, especially now that Musk owns the code, is that one party Tweets in violation of the ToS more than the other party, making them think they are being treated unfairly. As the article you posted says, you don't even need to see the code, you just need to see the inputs and the outputs to know what the algorithm is flagging. The obvious result is, if you submit a lot of ToS violations you're going to get a lot of flags. That's not bias on the algorithm, its bias on the part of the person Tweeting.

Again, as Goon so thoroughly points out one post above, there are a jillion conservative posts every day on FB and Twitter. If the algorithm was truly biased against conservative messaging that would not happen. THe algorithm is in fact biased against violations of the ToS, as it should be.

This post has aged really well. Either you or goon care to revisit this topic? Not trying to rub anything in just hoping for a reasonable discussion. Do you guys still think that political bias on twitter is a made up myth?

 

[Brian23]

This post has aged really well. Either you or goon care to revisit this topic? Not trying to rub anything in just hoping for a reasonable discussion. Do you guys still think that political bias on twitter is a made up myth?

Are we even allowed to have this discussion?

But no, it wasn't a myth. Only it worked in the opposite way then the moron Musk is saying on Twitter currently.

 

[kicksavedave]

This post has aged really well. Either you or goon care to revisit this topic? Not trying to rub anything in just hoping for a reasonable discussion. Do you guys still think that political bias on twitter is a made up myth?

I'm sorry, is there some new evidence that the algorithm is in fact biased? If so please share. Because that's what my post was about, entirely. I'll stand by it until I see a reason not to.

 

[g00n]

This post has aged really well. Either you or goon care to revisit this topic? Not trying to rub anything in just hoping for a reasonable discussion. Do you guys still think that political bias on twitter is a made up myth?

LOL what is this stupid shit? A bunch of partisan hacks complaining that liars and insurrectionists were moderated is not proof of some kind of unfair uneven bias.

Plus, again, the entire Hunter Biden thing was about a TOS violation related to revenge porn. Are you some kind of revenge porn supporter?

 

[crazy8888]

LOL what is this stupid shit? A bunch of partisan hacks complaining that liars and insurrectionists were moderated is not proof of some kind of unfair uneven bias.

Plus, again, the entire Hunter Biden thing was about a TOS violation related to revenge porn. Are you some kind of revenge porn supporter?

Lmao. Wow. Was hoping for something different but pretty much this is the response i expected from you little buddy Funny how You hear the same exact things from certain type of people…and i bet you think you sound so clever in your own head. Just keep labeling people its working out great. Anyway nothing else to say here.

 

[Brian23]

Lmao. Wow. Was hoping for something different but pretty much this is the response i expected from you little buddy Funny how You hear the same exact things from certain type of people…and i bet you think you sound so clever in your own head. Just keep labeling people its working out great. Anyway nothing else to say here.

Even cursory reading/research would give you the answers you seek.

Tech - Bias Report 2021 — NYU Stern Center for Business and Human Rights

bhr.stern.nyu.edu

Despite cries of censorship, conservatives dominate social media

GOP-friendly voices far outweigh liberals in driving conversations on hot topics leading up to the election, a POLITICO analysis shows.

www.politico.com

Claim of anti-conservative bias by social media firms is baseless, report finds

Twitter, Facebook and YouTube banned Trump for incitement but New York University study finds algorithms amplify rightwing voices

www.theguardian.com

Even the "twitter leaks" show there was no collusion.

 

[g00n]

Lmao. Wow. Was hoping for something different but pretty much this is the response i expected from you little buddy Funny how You hear the same exact things from certain type of people…and i bet you think you sound so clever in your own head. Just keep labeling people its working out great. Anyway nothing else to say here.

Nothing to say from the start. Just talking points and propaganda. Bye.

 

[Jags]

Quick, let's start a betting pool on how long till this gets moderated!

 

[usiel]

This is definitely getting into the politics side of things lets go ahead and end that discussion.

 

[Cush]

Windchill eventually dropped to -108

 

[usiel]

So the GT500 is in the shop after one of my condo neighbors went to deep in parking next to it and scraped dented the right rear bumper and right rear quarter panel. Looks like $4500 repair thankfully this neighbor was solid and contacted me immediately. We both have USAA insurance so the process has been easy so far. Now I feel like a peasant driving around some forgettable Nissan sedan (I kid).

I do feel like this collision might be a little suspect since the only reason she had my number was because I got so annoyed at the constant written notes left complaining about noise (75% of the time NOT me) at some point I just gave her my cell number since texts are less irritating than trying to read cursive written notes. Though my dipping the foot into the audiophile headphone area means it been many months since I've received a complaint.

Looking forward to getting the car back and getting a proper detail. Leaf blowers blowing wet leaves onto the car is a thing where I live.

 

[Hivemind]

What’s wild is that some players’ effective tax rate is more than 50% depending on where they live. Players in Toronto, Montreal, California, and New York often take home less than 50% of what their stated salary is when all is said and done. Compare that to places like Florida or Texas where players take home 60%+ of their salary and you’re looking at differences of millions (or tens of millions of dollars for the highest paid players) in gross pay over the lifetime of the contract for the same contract.

Periodic reminder that players pay the tax rate of the road city in away games.

Jock tax - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Periodic reminder that players pay the tax rate of the road city in away games.

Jock tax - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

True, but the effective tax rate numbers are still heavily influenced by state and local taxes.

 

[Ridley Simon]

I meant $3.5M net for his next contract. At $5.7M in contract value he’ll probably only see 55-60% (and maybe less) of that in cash flow after paying federal and state taxes, agent fees, NHLPA fees/escrow, etc. 60% of $5.7M is $3.42M over three years. Add another $450-500k for this year’s net salary and you’re closer to $3.8-4M net for four years. Not exact math because I don’t know the exact figures in fees he’s paying but likely not too far off.

It’s still life changing money if he manages it correctly, especially given his prior earnings (roughly $7M in gross income). By the time this next contract is over he’ll be 29 and have earned almost$13M in gross income from his hockey career which should set him up for life if he’s not dumb with his money. Not too bad.

What’s wild is that some players’ effective tax rate is more than 50% depending on where they live. Players in Toronto, Montreal, California, and New York often take home less than 50% of what their stated salary is when all is said and done. Compare that to places like Florida or Texas where players take home 60%+ of their salary and you’re looking at differences of millions (or tens of millions of dollars for the highest paid players) in gross pay over the lifetime of the contract for the same contract.

I take home less than 50% of my income in CA. It’s a real thing (but living in CA is also worth it in some manner of speaking).

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

I take home less than 50% of my income in CA. It’s a real thing (but living in CA is also worth it in some manner of speaking).

My company for years tried to get me to relocate to our HQ in the Bay Area. The conversation went something like this:

"So I get to move to a place where I'll get an immediate 25% pay reduction simply due to taxes and cost of living and I get a choice between paying more than my current mortgage to rent a shoebox in the city that won't be big enough for my growing family or commuting 90+ minutes each way and being able to afford a house?"
- "Yes, but we'll promote you."
"Does the promotion come with at least double the pay to make up for what I'd earn in real wage loss and make it worth me relocating my family across the country to give them a comparable quality of life? And will you guarantee I can't get laid off for three years?"
- "No."
"I'm good, thanks."

I lived in CA for five years when I didn't have kids and it was great but man it's a tough place to raise a family, even if the weather and outdoor quality of life is great.

 

[g00n]

My company for years tried to get me to relocate to our HQ in the Bay Area. The conversation went something like this:

"So I get to move to a place where I'll get an immediate 25% pay reduction simply due to taxes and cost of living and I get a choice between paying more than my current mortgage to rent a shoebox in the city that won't be big enough for my growing family or commuting 90+ minutes each way and being able to afford a house?"
- "Yes, but we'll promote you."
"Does the promotion come with at least double the pay to make up for what I'd earn in real wage loss and make it worth me relocating my family across the country to give them a comparable quality of life? And will you guarantee I can't get laid off for three years?"
- "No."
"I'm good, thanks."

I lived in CA for five years when I didn't have kids and it was great but man it's a tough place to raise a family, even if the weather and outdoor quality of life is great.

I hate MD winters so much I would still consider it. Strongly.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

I hate MD winters so much I would still consider it. Strongly.

I hate the summers here more. Much more. Humidity can get f***ed. I don't mind the cold.

And the Bay Area is cold, which I actually like. Not frigid winter cold but cold. September is their warmest month and the average temperature then is 70 degrees.

 

[Ridley Simon]

My company for years tried to get me to relocate to our HQ in the Bay Area. The conversation went something like this:

"So I get to move to a place where I'll get an immediate 25% pay reduction simply due to taxes and cost of living and I get a choice between paying more than my current mortgage to rent a shoebox in the city that won't be big enough for my growing family or commuting 90+ minutes each way and being able to afford a house?"
- "Yes, but we'll promote you."
"Does the promotion come with at least double the pay to make up for what I'd earn in real wage loss and make it worth me relocating my family across the country to give them a comparable quality of life? And will you guarantee I can't get laid off for three years?"
- "No."
"I'm good, thanks."

I lived in CA for five years when I didn't have kids and it was great but man it's a tough place to raise a family, even if the weather and outdoor quality of life is great.

I lived in SF in my 20’s, and have been in Marin since early 30’s. Commuting to SF is not a fun experience, but thankfully I don’t have to.

Home prices are absurd. The rest of it is akin to any major city, from a cost perspective.

There definitely is something to be said about being able to play (sports or whatever) outside 24/7/365. Especially for my 3 kids.

But it’s not nirvana, that’s for sure. There are very few real “neighborhood” type areas where you can feel comfortable leaving the kids outside to play on their own. It’s not like it was 40yrs ago, that’s for sure

I hate the summers here more. Much more. Humidity can get f***ed. I don't mind the cold.

And the Bay Area is cold, which I actually like. Not frigid winter cold but cold. September is their warmest month and the average temperature then is 70 degrees.

If you are in SF. Then yeah. I’m 25 miles north in Marin and it gets hot in the summers. 100 routinely. The Bay Area is a crazy micro-climate that can have 40-50 degree swings in any given day.

 

[usiel]

I lived in SF in my 20’s, and have been in Marin since early 30’s. Commuting to SF is not a fun experience, but thankfully I don’t have to.

Home prices are absurd. The rest of it is akin to any major city, from a cost perspective.

There definitely is something to be said about being able to play (sports or whatever) outside 24/7/365. Especially for my 3 kids.

But it’s not nirvana, that’s for sure. There are very few real “neighborhood” type areas where you can feel comfortable leaving the kids outside to play on their own. It’s not like it was 40yrs ago, that’s for sure


If you are in SF. Then yeah. I’m 25 miles north in Marin and it gets hot in the summers. 100 routinely. The Bay Area is a crazy micro-climate that can have 40-50 degree swings in any given day.

Was born in Ignacio, CA and my first couple of years my parents rented a house in Mill Valley (pretty cool town) before relocating all the way to Charlotte, NC. I believe The Grateful Dead's tour manager lived a couple of houses down from them.... apparently there was rather big parties.

 

[kicksavedave]

My company for years tried to get me to relocate to our HQ in the Bay Area. The conversation went something like this:

"So I get to move to a place where I'll get an immediate 25% pay reduction simply due to taxes and cost of living and I get a choice between paying more than my current mortgage to rent a shoebox in the city that won't be big enough for my growing family or commuting 90+ minutes each way and being able to afford a house?"
- "Yes, but we'll promote you."
"Does the promotion come with at least double the pay to make up for what I'd earn in real wage loss and make it worth me relocating my family across the country to give them a comparable quality of life? And will you guarantee I can't get laid off for three years?"
- "No."
"I'm good, thanks."

I lived in CA for five years when I didn't have kids and it was great but man it's a tough place to raise a family, even if the weather and outdoor quality of life is great.

Its a really tough place to move to and get a foothold in real estate, but there is a flipside. I know plenty of people who have lived in the Bay Area for years, who bought homes in the mid 2000's and got a 2000 sq ft place for $500K or $650k or something that seemed outrageous at the time, but those homes are now worth $1.8M or more. So they are equipped to pull the plug and bolt with a nice nest egg stashed away, or to ride it out with mortgages that are manageable, especially while they are now being paid wages commensurate with the current cost of living there. When housing gets super expensive there are going to be winners and losers in every transaction.

I had a similar offer and decision to yours a few years back, and I was lucky enough to dodge it entirely and stay where I was (in Fallbrook) and work out of the corporate Oceanside location, so the commute is manageable (25 mins) and I kept my big ass house and reasonable mortgage. If I had to move to the Bay Area today, I'd be 100% effed.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Was born in Ignacio, CA and my first couple of years my parents rented a house in Mill Valley (pretty cool town) before relocating all the way to Charlotte, NC. I believe The Grateful Dead's tour manager lived a couple of houses down from them.... apparently there was rather big parties.

No shit? I live in Ignacio now. Right off Ignacio Blvd, in southern Novato.

That’s crazy!

 

[Neil Racki]

I lived in San Diego for about 10 years in my 20s

Loved it there vs the burbs of Maryland

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

I lived in San Diego for about 10 years in my 20s

Loved it there vs the burbs of Maryland

I was in San Diego in my mid 20s too. I was there from the late 2000s through the mid 2010s. You? One of the most underrated cities in America. I absolutely loved living there. When I lived downtown and worked on Coronado I would ride my bike to the ferry, take the ferry across the Bay, and ride my bike a few more miles to base. Best commute ever.

 

[RedRocking]

I hate the summers here more. Much more. Humidity can get f***ed. I don't mind the cold.

And the Bay Area is cold, which I actually like. Not frigid winter cold but cold. September is their warmest month and the average temperature then is 70 degrees.

Yea, I don’t miss MD summers or winters one bit. Though I do miss how green it is back east, and how much easier it is to travel to visit friends and family. In my microclimate area, it’s ~73 and sunny from mid March till mid October. Hard to complain. Does get into the 80s (and up) in the fall sometimes. The city (SF) is actually pretty chilly comparatively, and I’m kinda glad I don’t live there anymore.

But in general, once you’ve lived in CA for a while, it gets harder to imagine moving back. Except, of course, for taxes and mortgages constantly f***ing you. My career helps with the cost of living, but still makes me anxious about longer term plans - but I just try to enjoy it out here for now.

 

[Neil Racki]

I was in San Diego in my mid 20s too. I was there from the late 2000s through the mid 2010s. You? One of the most underrated cities in America. I absolutely loved living there. When I lived downtown and worked on Coronado I would ride my bike to the ferry, take the ferry across the Bay, and ride my bike a few more miles to base. Best commute ever.

Thats when I was there. I lived all over there. Bankers Hill, Encinitas, North park, UTC

Wild times