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kingsholygrail said:
LA County is going to stay locked down until the end of July. This will be fun to watch from Ventura County.
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No way, where abouts are you in VC?
 
Philadelphia health care official moves 95-year old mother out of nursing home. Again, it raises the question why are government officials continuing with the issuance of stay at home orders for healthy individuals. Never has the U.S. quarantined healthy individuals. It would seem if the goal is to reduce the number of COVID-19 deaths the correct policy would be to constantly test nursing home residents and those who work in a nursing home, and isolating nursing home residents from outside contact.

Dr. Levine epitomizes the "good for thee, but not for me" attitude which permeates all levels of government.

Pennsylvania health secretary moved mother out of nursing home as coronavirus death toll increased in state

Pennsylvania's Health Secretary Dr. Rachel Levine confirmed on Tuesday that she recently moved her 95-year-old mother out of a personal care home.

Outbreaks in Pennsylvania long-term care facilities make up nearly 70 percent of the state's coronavirus-related deaths and 21 percent of the state's positive cases of the virus.

In a Wednesday press conference, Levine announced that of the 58,698 confirmed cases statewide, 12,408 cases are among residents of long-term facilities, including nursing homes and personal care homes. Of the total 3,943 deaths in Pennsylvania, 2,705 have occurred in residents in long-term facilities.
 
It blows my mind more than a little bit that nursing homes are STILL having major outbreaks at this stage.

But it's also emblematic of our failure as a nation to address this appropriately.
 
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In Wisconsin the elected representatives of the people and state supreme court are limiting the governor's power.

Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down Wisconsin's stay-at-home order that closed businesses to limit spread of coronavirus

The Wisconsin Supreme Court has struck down Gov. Tony Evers' order shutting down daily life to limit the spread of coronavirus — marking the first time a statewide order of its kind has been knocked down by a court of last resort.

The state's highest court sided with Republican lawmakers Wednesday in a decision that curbed the power of Democratic Gov. Tony Evers' administration to act unilaterally during public health emergencies.

The 4-3 decision was written by four of the court’s conservatives — Chief Justice Patience Roggensack and Justices Rebecca Bradley, Daniel Kelly and Annette Ziegler.

The court’s fifth conservative, Brian Hagedorn, wrote a dissent joined by the court’s two liberals, Ann Walsh Bradley and Rebecca Dallet.
The ruling immediately lifts all restrictions on businesses and gatherings imposed by the administration's order but keeps in place the closure of schools until fall.

To put any new limits in place, the Democratic governor and Republican-controlled Legislature will be forced to work together to deal with the ebbs and flows of the outbreak — something the two sides have rarely been able to achieve before.

This is how it should be as the people have elected representatives for a reason. Those elected representatives must now work with the executive branch to compromise and arrive at solutions which make sense for all residents of Wisconsin.
 
KINGS17 said:
In Wisconsin the elected representatives of the people and state supreme court are limiting the governor's power.

Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down Wisconsin's stay-at-home order that closed businesses to limit spread of coronavirus

The Wisconsin Supreme Court has struck down Gov. Tony Evers' order shutting down daily life to limit the spread of coronavirus — marking the first time a statewide order of its kind has been knocked down by a court of last resort.

The state's highest court sided with Republican lawmakers Wednesday in a decision that curbed the power of Democratic Gov. Tony Evers' administration to act unilaterally during public health emergencies.

The 4-3 decision was written by four of the court’s conservatives — Chief Justice Patience Roggensack and Justices Rebecca Bradley, Daniel Kelly and Annette Ziegler.

The court’s fifth conservative, Brian Hagedorn, wrote a dissent joined by the court’s two liberals, Ann Walsh Bradley and Rebecca Dallet.
The ruling immediately lifts all restrictions on businesses and gatherings imposed by the administration's order but keeps in place the closure of schools until fall.

To put any new limits in place, the Democratic governor and Republican-controlled Legislature will be forced to work together to deal with the ebbs and flows of the outbreak — something the two sides have rarely been able to achieve before.

This is how it should be as the people have elected representatives for a reason. Those elected representatives must now work with the executive branch to compromise and arrive at solutions which make sense for all residents of Wisconsin.
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The Governor is an elected official too.

“the Democratic governor and Republican-controlled Legislature will be forced to work together”

Heh, good luck. When was the last time that happened anywhere in this country? It really is fascinating how seemingly without fail republicans want to open up while democrats want to stay closed. Maybe I’ve missed it but I haven’t seen any instance where the opposite is true.
 
Bandit said:
The Governor is an elected official too.

“the Democratic governor and Republican-controlled Legislature will be forced to work together”

Heh, good luck. When was the last time that happened anywhere in this country? It really is fascinating how seemingly without fail republicans want to open up while democrats want to stay closed. Maybe I’ve missed it but I haven’t seen any instance where the opposite is true.
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The governor was never intended to have unilateral power. A governor can veto a bill, but a governor cannot write a bill. Emergency powers are granted to every executive within government. The emergency is over regarding the possibility of overwhelming the health care system.

I haven't seen the opposite either, but I might consider it differently. There hasn't been a single time where Democrats don't want the economy to fail and unemployment to rise, where Republicans want the economy to start recovering. There are definitely political agendas in play here, which is one of the points I have been making recently. The continuation of stay at home orders is not based on "science and data".
 
KINGS17 said:
The governor was never intended to have unilateral power. A governor can veto a bill, but a governor cannot write a bill. Emergency powers are granted to every executive within government. The emergency is over regarding the possibility of overwhelming the health care system.

I haven't seen the opposite either, but I might consider it differently. There hasn't been a single time where Democrats don't want the economy to fail and unemployment to rise, where Republicans want the economy to start recovering. There are definitely political agendas in play here, which is one of the points I have been making recently. The continuation of stay at home orders is not based on "science and data".
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You really believe that? Seems highly unlikely.
 
Bandit said:
You really believe that? Seems highly unlikely.
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What decisions are evident, especially in California, where it seems the state and local governments are helping businesses so they will not fail?

Individual business owners are not the focus of California politicians at the state or national level. Their focus now is on funding their government worker pension liabilities, which were not caused by the virus. If the perception is the virus issue has been politicized, it is probably because it has been used to grab additional power and money to fund favorite projects or items. The "Never let a good crisis go to waste." strategy is kicking into high gear now. You can see it in the ridiculous proposal Pelosi just put forward.
 
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Sounds like USC may get out of having their asses whupped by Alabama and Notre Dame this season. Other big non-conference games which may be canceled include:

Washington vs Michigan
Oregon vs Ohio State
Cal vs TCU.
Stanford vs Notre Dame
Utah vs BYU
Arizona State vs BYU
Oregon State vs Oklahoma State


Pac-12 mulling all-conference regular season

The Pac-12 has discussed an 11-game regular season played solely against conference opponents as one possibility for keeping college football going this year amid the coronavirus pandemic.
 
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What decisions are evident, especially in California, where it seems the state and local governments are helping businesses so they will not fail?

Individual business owners are not the focus of California politicians at the state or national level. Their focus now is on funding their government worker pension liabilities, which were not caused by the virus. If the perception is the virus issue has been politicized, it is probably because it has been used to grab additional power and money to fund favorite projects or items. The "Never let a good crisis go to waste." strategy is kicking into high gear now. You can see it in the ridiculous proposal Pelosi just put forward.
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Not agreeing with what they are doing is one thing, but saying "The democrats want the economy to fail" is like saying "The republicans want to kill everyone". Just doesn't seem reasonable or likely.
 
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Not agreeing with what they are doing is one thing, but saying "The democrats want the economy to fail" is like saying "The republicans want to kill everyone". Just doesn't seem reasonable or likely.
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Fair enough, I will rephrase. The Democrats are willing to see the economy shrink to attain a goal regarding virus spread which is likely unattainable.
 
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Bandit said:
Not agreeing with what they are doing is one thing, but saying "The democrats want the economy to fail" is like saying "The republicans want to kill everyone". Just doesn't seem reasonable or likely.
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Yeah. You can't throw a net over everyone. I've voted Left and Right during my lifetime and am registered Independent. I like to think I just vote with common sense like a large majority of people actually do; however, people like me aren't loud and all we get from the media is easy narratives that seem to highlight the more extreme factions of each side, i.e. the ultra-libs that want the economy to fail--even prior to this--because they hate capitalism and the ultra conservatives that value their 401k over the lives of anyone that isn't a part of their life.

It is true though that this is all heavily politicized. Politics is politics: it never takes a break for anything. That's why most of these people suck: they will smile and lie to your face. The most important thing for them is keeping their jobs and increasing the power for their team.

Both sides suck. They do the same stuff to each other and the zealots on each side scream bloody murder when it gets done to them while ignoring the fact that they do the same thing. It's just that the republicans are generally assholes about it while the democrats try to look like they care about everyone while still generally being assholes. In the end, most people look out for #1. I'm tossing that net I spoke of earlier but a lot of republicans don't care if you know that they are looking out for #1 while a lot of democrats are ashamed to be looking out for #1 so they try to look nice while doing it.
 
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BigKing said:
Yeah. You can't throw a net over everyone. I've voted Left and Right during my lifetime and am registered Independent. I like to think I just vote with common sense like a large majority of people actually do; however, people like me aren't loud and all we get from the media is easy narratives that seem to highlight the more extreme factions of each side, i.e. the ultra-libs that want the economy to fail--even prior to this--because they hate capitalism and the ultra conservatives that value their 401k over the lives of anyone that isn't a part of their life.

It is true though that this is all heavily politicized. Politics is politics: it never takes a break for anything. That's why most of these people suck: they will smile and lie to your face. The most important thing for them is keeping their jobs and increasing the power for their team.

Both sides suck. They do the same stuff to each other and the zealots on each side scream bloody murder when it gets done to them while ignoring the fact that they do the same thing. It's just that the republicans are generally assholes about it while the democrats try to look like they care about everyone while still generally being assholes. In the end, most people look out for #1. I'm tossing that net I spoke of earlier but a lot of republicans don't care if you know that they are looking out for #1 while a lot of democrats are ashamed to be looking out for #1 so they try to look nice while doing it.
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I think a lot of it is just the nature of the human condition. Being level headed and reasonable doesn't make headlines or garner reactions. It even plays itself out here daily when hockey is actually the topic of conversation. Say "Kopitar is a very good player and overall I'm stoked he'll retire a King, but I wish he would shoot the puck more often" and that shit will straight up get ignored. You say "f***ing Kopitar shoot the goddamn puck! What a waste of 10 million!" and out come the pitchforks in droves.
 
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Democrats tend to live in more densely populated areas where the risk of spread is higher.
Republicans tend to live in more sparsely populated areas where the risk of spread is lower.

If you have to jump in your truck to get to your neighbor's house, its probably ok if your local barbershop is open.
If you can hear your neighbors banging through the wall, might be smarter to have slower openings.

There's 10 million people in the state of Georgia.
There's 24 million people in Southern California.
 
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redcard said:
Democrats tend to live in more densely populated areas where the risk of spread is higher.
Republicans tend to live in more sparsely populated areas where the risk of spread is lower.

If you have to jump in your truck to get to your neighbor's house, its probably ok if your local barbershop is open.
If you can hear your neighbors banging through the wall, might be smarter to have slower openings.

There's 10 million people in the state of Georgia.
There's 24 million people in Southern California.
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Even areas within Southern California is different. The problem areas in Southern California are Los Angeles and East LA. No reason in terms of data and science to keep the rest of Southern California under stay at home orders.
 
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Even areas within Southern California is different. The problem areas in Southern California are Los Angeles and East LA. No reason in terms of data and science to keep the rest of Southern California under stay at home orders.
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Problem with that is proximity, if restaurants 30 minutes away from you opened up would you consider driving out there? An hour away? Maybe you wouldn't, but I'm guessing an awful lot of people from the problem areas would flood the lower risk areas if there was something worth doing.
 
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There’s One Big Reason the U.S. Economy Can’t Reopen

To allow the recovery to begin, the United States must implement the kind of strategy that other countries have used to defeat the coronavirus. It must test widely to find infected people; trace their contacts, who might themselves have been infected; and isolate that potentially infectious group from the rest of the susceptible population. Setting up this kind of infrastructure was one of the initial goals of the social-distancing measures that states and cities started in March.

Yet so far the country has failed to do so. More than 10 weeks into the coronavirus crisis, too few Americans are being tested for the coronavirus, and the country’s testing capacity is not growing fast enough, according to data collected by the COVID Tracking Project, a volunteer initiative housed within The Atlantic. This week, the U.S. tested about 264,000 people a day, the highest level in the pandemic so far. But experts say that if the country hopes to get its outbreak under control, it must double or triple the number of daily tests. Some propose expanding testing more than 75-fold.

 
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