General COVID-19 talk, NHL remains suspended MOD Warning post #1

[Raccoon Jesus]

Just took a quick glance at the individual counties in the California coronavirus cases: Tracking the outbreak, and SOME good news at least.

LA County's rolling average is trending flat/slightly downward. That's huge because obviously gigantic urban centers are the hotbed.

The others are relatively the same--doubling about nearly every month, steadily a couple of deaths each day, even with increased testing--it seems we're right in the middle of a relatively flattened curve so we'll see what happens next.

Yet at the state level, the curve is still slightly trending up, the areas that were the initial hotspots are slowly burning instead, which I think we can expect down here too.

 

[jfont]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-is-yet-again-exaggerating-possible-solution/

Another exaggeration from the disinfectant in chief

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Some possible REALLY good news: Good news: human body builds "robust" immune response to COVID

Obviously needs more testing for corroboration but this study at least finds the bodys response is strong, which the study concludes is good news for vaccines (i.e. shouldn't be at risk of getting it twice, vaccine should provide resistance of strong duration, etc.)

ALSO, big bonus if this line of inquiry finds more among this: "More specifically, the researchers identified “SARS-CoV-2−reactive CD4 T cells,” that helped fight the coronavirus. In a second experiment, the researchers found these specific T cells in 40 to 60 percent of unexposed individuals, who had already been exposed to other ‘common cold’ coronaviruses.
This suggests that they had built up an immune response that could help them fight the SARS-CoV-2 virus prior to the outbreak — though the researchers said it was still too early to draw conclusions."

 

[fivehole32]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-is-yet-again-exaggerating-possible-solution/

Another exaggeration from the disinfectant in chief

Trump aside, if the test is missing half of the positives wouldn't that presuppose an even lower death rate and a closer chance at herd immunity? I know we as a society do not want people to suffer and die, but logically the only way that we emerge from this mess is if people get the disease and build immunity. I just don't logically see why everything can't be open while we protect the people whom this disease targets. Covid-19 is not a mass murderer, its instead a serial killer. We know after two months who the most adverse affected are and who are not. Logic however does not prevail. Its kind of akin to a food allergy, we know a certain percentage of people die or are very sick from nut based foods. The safest thing is to not allow anyone to ever buy or eat anything nut based again. What we have done instead is make it mandatory that food packaging companies note something has been processed with or contains nuts. It is up to the person who is affected to decided whether to eat or use that thing.

 

[KINGS17]

Some possible REALLY good news: Good news: human body builds "robust" immune response to COVID

Obviously needs more testing for corroboration but this study at least finds the bodys response is strong, which the study concludes is good news for vaccines (i.e. shouldn't be at risk of getting it twice, vaccine should provide resistance of strong duration, etc.)

ALSO, big bonus if this line of inquiry finds more among this: "More specifically, the researchers identified “SARS-CoV-2−reactive CD4 T cells,” that helped fight the coronavirus. In a second experiment, the researchers found these specific T cells in 40 to 60 percent of unexposed individuals, who had already been exposed to other ‘common cold’ coronaviruses.
This suggests that they had built up an immune response that could help them fight the SARS-CoV-2 virus prior to the outbreak — though the researchers said it was still too early to draw conclusions."

I have not paid for an antibody test yet, but man I hope I was infected when I was up in the bay area toward the end of last year, and during February of this year. That would be a real plus for me, or anyone.

One of my kids had a mild case of SARS back in 2003, but it didn't lay a noticeable glove on me. Don't know if I was ever actually infected.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Trump aside, if the test is missing half of the positives wouldn't that presuppose an even lower death rate and a closer chance at herd immunity? I know we as a society do not want people to suffer and die, but logically the only way that we emerge from this mess is if people get the disease and build immunity. I just don't logically see why everything can't be open while we protect the people whom this disease targets. Covid-19 is not a mass murderer, its instead a serial killer. We know after two months who the most adverse affected are and who are not. Logic however does not prevail. Its kind of akin to a food allergy, we know a certain percentage of people die or are very sick from nut based foods. The safest thing is to not allow anyone to ever buy or eat anything nut based again. What we have done instead is make it mandatory that food packaging companies note something has been processed with or contains nuts. It is up to the person who is affected to decided whether to eat or use that thing.

Nuts can't walk around for 14 days infecting people with allergies

And no it's not logically the only way, it's just the path of least planning and the one we're heading towards whether we like it or not.

I think a lot of us are on the same page that we 1. Want to open BUT 2. with mitigation measures in place, the problem is #2 right now.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I have not paid for an antibody test yet, but man I hope I was infected when I was up in the bay area toward the end of last year, and during February of this year. That would be a real plus for me, or anyone.

One of my kids had a mild case of SARS back in 2003, but it didn't lay a noticeable glove on me. Don't know if I was ever actually infected.

It's also a possible explanation for extremely mild cases/asymptomatic carriers

 

[HeadInjury]

Here is a really excellent article from the Pulitzer Prize winning ProPublica, attempting to explain why San Francisco and New York have had such different outcomes.

Two Coasts. One Virus. How New York Suffered Nearly 10 Times the Number of Deaths as California. — ProPublica

 

[cyclones22]

It's also a possible explanation for extremely mild cases/asymptomatic carriers

I had my flu shot in the Fall of last year, then got a mild one in December. It had been years since I've gotten hit by a bug. I was actually quite shocked. But then I realized that I had been using the Amazon automated pick up box for Christmas gift delivery and had been using the touch pad repeatedly in a Rite Aid...ever since then I've carried hand sanitizer in the car and cleaned my hands religiously. Who knows when this thing really came from abroad.

 

[kings11]

Looks like Garcetti backed off on the 3 more months deal.

Thousand Oaks.

Nice, I’m down here in Ventura next to the mall...
god I need me some type of hockey.. I’ll take the draft lottery at this point

 

[KINGS17]

States reopening.

Reopening America: See what states across the U.S. are starting to reopen

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I had my flu shot in the Fall of last year, then got a mild one in December. It had been years since I've gotten hit by a bug. I was actually quite shocked. But then I realized that I had been using the Amazon automated pick up box for Christmas gift delivery and had been using the touch pad repeatedly in a Rite Aid...ever since then I've carried hand sanitizer in the car and cleaned my hands religiously. Who knows when this thing really came from abroad.

I think that's been one really eye opening thing about this whole virus--we're a pretty unsanitary country in a lot of ways. We have access to these things but don't do them consciously.

I think of how much just my "walk into Rite Aid" routine has changed and how much less I have to be interacting with...well, anything...right now and it's pretty mind boggling.

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Another hopeful development: San Diego's Sorrento Therapeutics says antibody might have ability to fight COVID-19

 

[kingsholygrail]

Nice, I’m down here in Ventura next to the mall...
god I need me some type of hockey.. I’ll take the draft lottery at this point

It's amazing how much of my time or at least background noise is taken up by sports. Their absence has been bothersome. Right now we'd be watching the conference finals.

 

[King'sPawn]

One is based on real data, and the other is based on the continued use of flawed models.

Honest question: how much testing is being done to determine cases though?

As Trump said on Thursday(?) "Testing is overrated. You do a test, you get a case."

 

[KINGS17]

Honest question: how much testing is being done to determine cases though?

As Trump said on Thursday(?) "Testing is overrated. You do a test, you get a case."

No doubt as more testing is done the number of cases will increase. I would be more concerned if the percentage of positive tests increased dramatically.

I don't think we should wait to reopen with necessary precautions until every person can be tested every day, because it is never going to happen. Maybe states regulations for nursing home residents and employees need to change so they are tested frequently. I think from the tests taken the percentage of positives is probably under 30%.

It's time to protect those most at risk, and for the rest of those in society to return to work before they lose everything financially they have spent years building. Without a viable economy, we don't have healthy citizens. It's time to start giving some thought to that issue as well.

 

[KINGS17]

Tubers back afloat on the Salt River in the Valley of the Sun.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2020/05/16/live-updates-arizona-reopens-weekend-social-distancing/5203554002/?utm_source=azcentral-Daily Briefing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily_briefing&utm_term=hero

 

[kings11]

It's amazing how much of my time or at least background noise is taken up by sports. Their absence has been bothersome. Right now we'd be watching the conference finals.

The worst part is now I get to spend all day with the wife

 

[jfont]

WH most likely heavily edited the guidance.. Would like to see original 63 page guidance.

This is lunacy

 

[jfont]

Currently:

US makes up 4.25% of world population.

Yet, makes up 29% of Covid-19 deaths.

Need I say more of Disinfectant in Chief's failure..

 

[Bandit]

WH most likely heavily edited the guidance.. Would like to see original 63 page guidance.

This is lunacy

I mean I don't know what any of the documents say obviously, but it does say something that we live in a world where a 57 page "memo" on how to talk about supporting Trump to get him re-elected is totally normal, but 63 pages on how to recover from a pandemic needs to be cut down to 6 because reasons.

 

[KINGS17]

Currently:

US makes up 4.25% of world population.

Yet, makes up 29% of Covid-19 deaths.

Need I say more of Disinfectant in Chief's failure..

Raw numbers. You need to look at the deaths per 1,000 or per 1,000,000 in population to get a real measure.

 

[jfont]

I mean I don't know what any of the documents say obviously, but it does say something that we live in a world where a 57 page "memo" on how to talk about supporting Trump to get him re-elected is totally normal, but 63 pages on how to recover from a pandemic needs to be cut down to 6 because reasons.

I think I saw a report that says of the 13 total hours of his speech at the pandemic presser, he brought up the victims a total of 4.5 minutes.

 

[Bandit]

I think I saw a report that says of the 13 total hours of his speech at the pandemic presser, he brought up the victims a total of 4.5 minutes.

I mean, I'm all for keeping it concise. A 57 page memo is ridiculous in any context, but it makes you wonder for sure.

 

[King'sPawn]

No doubt as more testing is done the number of cases will increase. I would be more concerned if the percentage of positive tests increased dramatically.

I don't think we should wait to reopen with necessary precautions until every person can be tested every day, because it is never going to happen. Maybe states regulations for nursing home residents and employees need to change so they are tested frequently. I think from the tests taken the percentage of positives is probably under 30%.

It's time to protect those most at risk, and for the rest of those in society to return to work before they lose everything financially they have spent years building. Without a viable economy, we don't have healthy citizens. It's time to start giving some thought to that issue as well.

I'm on the fence. On the one hand, I understand not wanting to wait because of our inability to get an appropriate amount of tests.

On the other, isn't that the problem? Putting people at risk because the government, state and federal, can't get their act together?

To me, it's disingenuous for the White House to tell people to go out and work to save the economy without adequate testing, while getting tested everyday themselves.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying they should avoid testing at the White House. But we should at least have enough tests for people trying to go back to work, as well as proper protocols at these locations, to make sure it's safe to return.

Otherwise, consumers still won't feel safe knowing businesses could have unsafe practices or infected workers.