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SmytheKing said:
I think most people understand that position. It's not an easy thing when it comes to little kids. I don't think that's the main argument though. Most folks are discussing the position that "natural immunity" is better at this point. That's just a crazy position to take. To get "natural immunity" you need to get COVID first. There's no one in their right mind who thinks that's a better idea than getting a vaccine. In fact, every single medical study done where "natural immunity" is looked at, also says...yeah but get the vaccine too.

I just don't get how those folks overlook that their main position is that they're suggesting everyone get COVID instead of a vaccine. Wild.
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People haven't seen enough plagues and pandemics in their lifetime and often forget how many years they drag on.

Visualizing the History of Pandemics
 
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Schrute farms beets said:
The frustrating thing for me these days is the extremists on both sides of issues seemingly prevents people in the middle from having true & meaningful discussions about concerns/issues. Anything that is not 100% for or against (depending on which side you speak to) is automatically branded as extremism, crazy, lies, following the herd, conspiracy, etc. This now goes for politics (& other social issues) too.

For example, my wife and I both are vaxxed -- we got our parents vaxxed. All our relatives are vaxxed. However, I am still somewhat unsure and concerned about having kids vaxxed on CV. It's likely fine and safe for them. But people who say we have vaxs for other items, long history of vaxs, these are proven safe, etc. -- it's apples & oranges. This is a new type of vax -- that's a fact (even though it's been around a while). We have limited LT history -- that's a fact (we're 10-12 months in). Are healthy young kids necessary to have it or should they wait until they are fully grown (18+). Not to mention the Govt and big parma concerns about truth, safety, well-being, etc.. As i said, likely all these issues are nothing and it's totally fine for kids to take it and it's necessary as well. But if someone can NOT see how a parent would some concerns rather than just accepting it, then I'd say you are either not a parent or you are the crazy one. Heck, I have concerns about many safe things my kids do -- that's being a parent. Things i let them do, but it's my job to be concerned and maybe over-think it...and maybe be too involved just to be safe guarded. But it seems just mentioning concerns and you get automatically labeled as something far extreme. It's bizarre what society has become these days. There is no real discussion allowed to fully understand both sides and come to a well informed decision. It's either you are with me or against me. smh

Personally, anyone who is 100% on an issue and won't listen, be open minded, see the other side, etc. is someone i do not trust. Even things i know with absolute truth, I can still see or willing to see opposing views. How can you know something for sure without understanding the other side.
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Cases up a little today, but 219 is still good.
Hosp up again today from 185 yesterday
A good jump in the ICU numbers from 32-----41
 
Fishhead said:
Yeah it's tough for parents. I'm as science as it gets, yet I'll still hesitate with my 8 year old. If he was 16, I would be much less hesitant. It's that completely overprotective instinct that makes us want to cover them in bubble wrap.
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I just hope I'm not forced to make a decision between vaccinating my kids or pulling them out of school.
 
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Master Yoda said:
No, El Paso, Texas, so I'm probably okay. But really though, all it takes is one election.
And I do have a bunch of friends/relatives in LA & OC.
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Ohh, gotcha.

Epic avatar you have by the way. Vin, Chick and Bob. Simply the GOATs in their respective sports. We were spoiled out here, thats for sure!
 
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