General COVID-19 Talk #2, NHL Phase 2 begins early June Mod Warning post 1
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KINGS17
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Yet we had a governor and a mayor in LA who arrested small business owners trying to make a living while allowing big box stores like Walmart, which were selling more than groceries, to remain open.
We had a mayor of LA and a governor condemning those who protested for their right to make a living, and have said nothing about the protesting and done little to prevent the looting that has gone on under the cover of the protesting. It has not been equal treatment under the law.
Regarding the election and massive mail-in voting, don't worry I am sure the virus knows the difference between people voting at polling places and those who will be running around ballot harvesting.
Once again, riots sure.
Some people's only viable option for groceries is a walmart or target, my 70 year old mother being one. But I guess f*** those people because Target also sells doormats. I also have no idea what you're point is about "people running around" for mail-in voting. You wanna be mad at the Mayor and the Governor, I get it. Doesn't make those memes any less ridiculous.
Raccoon Jesus
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Totally agree, especially given...I'm going off my head here so time and place could be slightly off...France found cases from November?
Ah yes the group that has been fighting for people's livelihood and right to be out and about is suddenly worried about the spread of the virus due to people being out and about?
You're right, one group's right to protest was maintained in spite of the virus, the other faced curfew and calling in the national guard. Don't see how that can just be ignored. And the looting was condemned, as well. People need to stop seeing what they want to see.
Re: mail-in voting, not sure what the issue is with giving people a safer option, given plenty of states have done this for years, "Over the past 20 years, they write, more than 250 million ballots have been cast by mail nationwide, while there have been just 143 criminal convictions for election fraud related to mail ballots. That averages out to about one case per state every six or seven years, or a fraud rate of 0.00006%." Why Is Voting By Mail (Suddenly) Controversial? Here's What You Need To Know
Especially if the argument is we need to protect the vulnerable and quarantine them, how do they vote? And in-person voting places have already been doing social distancing measures, though they'd surely be overwhelmed in places on election day, so...you're arguing for main-in voting for safety.
KINGS17
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No, actually the group that has been fighting for people's livelihood and right to be out and about actually isn't worried about the virus spreading among young people who are out protesting as long as those most vulnerable are protected. That has been the case for at least six weeks.
What doesn't connect is how social distancing was no longer being enforced by Garcetti and Newsom once something came along that they cared about, which to me in terms of the peaceful protests happened to be legitimate. I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the two most prominent politicians in California who have seemed to be doing their level best to destroy the economy.
Those most at risk should absolutely go through the absentee ballot process, which includes proper vetting. One hundred percent mail-in voting invites fraud, and no one should go around collecting ballots and "helping" people fill out their ballot. Something we know both sides of the political spectrum are guilty of doing.
Voting by mail isn't "suddenly" controversial. Many have always wanted voter ID laws, which seem reasonable since we are required to show a government picture ID for so many day-to-day activities.
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In COVID-19 news, the University of Washington model now is projecting 13,000 deaths in California. Not sure what caused that drastic of an increase. Total deaths to date are only about 4,500.
Texas is still projected to have only 2,000 deaths and Florida about 3,700. It would be interesting to know why the outcome is so much worse in California in comparison to Texas. Texas has about 75% of the population of California.
Regarding the long forgotten false narrative of South Dakota being a "hot spot", the model now projects only 81 deaths there. South Dakota had one large breakout at a pork processing plant. The governor never ordered a shutdown of the state and said it was completely unnecessary. She obviously has been proven right.
Texas is still projected to have only 2,000 deaths and Florida about 3,700. It would be interesting to know why the outcome is so much worse in California in comparison to Texas. Texas has about 75% of the population of California.
Regarding the long forgotten false narrative of South Dakota being a "hot spot", the model now projects only 81 deaths there. South Dakota had one large breakout at a pork processing plant. The governor never ordered a shutdown of the state and said it was completely unnecessary. She obviously has been proven right.
Lt Dan
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California has a much higher population density than Texas .
Texas is a geographically bigger state with less overall people
I understand that, but Texas still has large urban areas and never adopted shutdown orders as strict as here.
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I agree with @LT Dan. The population density of some areas in the City of Los Angeles is the primary factor driving the difference of deaths estimated in the model. The model is still probably flawed though, so unless Los Angeles County continues to disregard the safety of those in nursing homes, I don't expect to see these kind of numbers.
Lt Dan
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Orange county isn't helping there either. 7 deaths yesterday . 6 from nursing homes
It’s my understanding that we are still being asked to wear masks and limit public outings and gatherings. The public as a whole seems to be done with it tho. They couldn’t stop ‘open up’ protest anymore than the protest happening now.
Covid may be less deadly than originally perceived but it is still deadly. Mercifully it doesn’t have much effect on most children. It is a patchwork pandemic. Not all areas are hit with it the same. Populations are different. I don’t regret the efforts to limit death tolls of any group. I do feel horrible for those out of work and am doing what I can to put my money where my mouth is.
We live in a difficult age of misinformation and minute-to-minute information. Truth has become subjective. Illegitimate sources have gained wide audience. Bots from foreign entities actively seek to divide our country that doesn’t really need any more help being divided.
There is no longer nuance on issues. Middle ground is hard to find.
The economy does need to open but seems like we went from phase one to phase fook it.
Covid may be less deadly than originally perceived but it is still deadly. Mercifully it doesn’t have much effect on most children. It is a patchwork pandemic. Not all areas are hit with it the same. Populations are different. I don’t regret the efforts to limit death tolls of any group. I do feel horrible for those out of work and am doing what I can to put my money where my mouth is.
We live in a difficult age of misinformation and minute-to-minute information. Truth has become subjective. Illegitimate sources have gained wide audience. Bots from foreign entities actively seek to divide our country that doesn’t really need any more help being divided.
There is no longer nuance on issues. Middle ground is hard to find.
The economy does need to open but seems like we went from phase one to phase fook it.
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KINGS17
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Yeah, it would be interesting to see the nursing home numbers from Texas, but I think we can guess what they would tell us.
Lt Dan
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Large urban areas and actual density are two different animals
Let's look at NYC, not that big geographically 302 sq miles, but you have 8.39 million people
LA County 10.04 million in 4751 square miles
La Metro has roughly the population of Dallas and Houston.
Dallas' metro area is 9286 square miles
I'm not sure I agree with the bolded. I was just at the grocery store 30 minutes ago and everyone was wearing masks.
I do agree about your middle ground comments though. It's a problem in everything and I think the internet is to blame, at least in no small part. I saw Neil Cavuto's editorial on Fox about the president and politics aside, he was even making the point that the president's supporters were letting him know that you're either "in full support of the president 100% or you're a 'Never Trumper' 100%." I'm not saying this is unique to Republicans, or even politics. It's everywhere, all the way down to what you think of Kopitar on the powerplay. Issues are complex, and the problem is it's easy to make a statement online that addresses some small portion of a complex set of issues and people extrapolate, or are unwilling to pay attention long enough to understand anyone's entire position. It's like we've all become infected with ADD and our smartphones are the carriers.
Lt Dan
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Political correctness/hypocrisy on COVID-19 all summed up in one tweet:
Raccoon Jesus
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Yeah, that doesn't even make sense. Would love to know the rationale.
Was not disappointed by the third comment, "time for a protest kegger"
Was not disappointed by the third comment, "time for a protest kegger"
Lt Dan
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Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I dunno, 12 people could definitely hang out in my back yard and stay plenty distanced from each other, 100 people definitely not. Someone should absolutely be required to give a logical explanation on this though, and if they can't they shouldn't be making such proclamations. No argument from me there.
Lt Dan
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The question remains are SNFs bigger cesspools than we thought or is the virus just that rampant?
The estimated number of asymptomatic cases is as high as 50 to 85%
So are we further along in this pandemic than we thought? Or are the skilled nursing facilities the equivalent of drinking water in mexico?
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