General COVID-19 Talk #2, NHL Phase 2 begins early June Mod Warning post 1

[SaltyElkHunter]

Because covid is being used as a Trojan horse in this instance. I am talking covid.

 

[King'sPawn]

Because covid is being used as a Trojan horse in this instance. I am talking covid.

The discussion of "either be homeless or subject yourself to a pandemic which could kill or permanently damage organs" is more of a political issue at this point, especially as we see other nations opening up.

 

[Lt Dan]

Because covid is being used as a Trojan horse in this instance. I am talking covid.

ok there Odysseus

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

The discussion of "either be homeless or subject yourself to a pandemic which could kill or permanently damage organs" is more of a political issue at this point, especially as we see other nations opening up.

So which one would you choose? We can’t stay closed forever. How’s that swine flu vaccine coming along?

 

[Papa Mocha 15]

So none of you answered a simple question. If the choice was go to work like you did in 2019 or lose your house what would you pick? That is the choice most of us have to make. Online learning is not effective and in the real world if you do your job in-effectively you are fired. If I try and install an AC unit at 50% effectiveness in your home and try to charge you full price you would tell me to piss off.

I am a certified financial planner btw so the arguments based on forbearance option are misguided. You still have to come up with a balloon payment and banks are starting to resume the foreclosure process as we speak. That forbearance process was only 6 months long.


what about the LA unified teachers union requests for going back to school of:

-federal bailout
-close all charter schools
-Police defunded
-medi-Cal for all
-wealth tax

do you really wonder why a lot of people have no sympathy for the situation when these teachers unions are using our children’s education and development as political leverage!

Evictions are not allowed to be enforced upon until July 28 per unless that is extended per the state if it is Covid Related. I can't just call it hooplah because it is on the state website.

https://www.bcsh.ca.gov/coronavirus19/renters_mortgage_guidance.pdf

So first, it's find new teachers and now it's no sympathy for them? Not sure how familiar you are with union bargaining but they don't really expect to get all that. They will go back and forth and pick a few items that are most important and settle or it's possible to ask for the moon to purposely stall to prevent the schools from opening up because the schools have not created a safe environment.

Education is not everything and I've known plenty of people who skipped college and are doing better than most. I would rather lose my house than my life or go on permanent disability and we don't know enough about COVID yet when hospitals are already filling up. . Hospital bills but of the people hospitalized in the ICU, 1o days earns you about 1 million in medical fees without getting intubated. That's the type of debt that follows you. Forget sending your kids to college off that. So yeah, I'd rather lose a house and owe a couple hundred thousand and file bankruptcy and start over than never get to work again or own such an insurmountable amount that I can never get out of it.

Curious as to why you think it is ok to put the public at risk over a house. This is a crisis. It means strange times.

Haven't seen you answer why you would force people back into the public when we know so little about this disease when all the medical experts whose job to protect the public are stating that we are starting to get over run. 4% of the worlds population and 25% of all cases. Those aren't good numbers.

 

[Papa Mocha 15]

So which one would you choose? We can’t stay closed forever. How’s that swine flu vaccine coming along?

Ahem.......There actually is a vaccine for swine flu and it works. It's called H1N1. However, there are 160 strains of the flu that we know of. We can only dole out 3 to 4 every year. So try keeping up with those numbers.

Also, the 2017 flu that killed a ton of people had one glaring trait. Those who did not get vaccinated, died. Those who got vaccinated had milder cases and were significantly less likely to get intubated. I proudly discharged a number of those cases home and gave out dozens of vaccines that year.

 

[Bandit]

So which one would you choose? We can’t stay closed forever. How’s that swine flu vaccine coming along?

Well at least you said something that makes some amount of sense. Yes, we can't stay closed forever, however:

0 months --> 4 months = 4 months
4 months --> forever = considerably longer

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

Evictions are not allowed to be enforced upon until July 28 per unless that is extended per the state if it is Covid Related. I can't just call it hooplah because it is on the state website.

https://www.bcsh.ca.gov/coronavirus19/renters_mortgage_guidance.pdf

So first, it's find new teachers and now it's no sympathy for them? Not sure how familiar you are with union bargaining but they don't really expect to get all that. They will go back and forth and pick a few items that are most important and settle or it's possible to ask for the moon to purposely stall to prevent the schools from opening up because the schools have not created a safe environment.

Education is not everything and I've known plenty of people who skipped college and are doing better than most. I would rather lose my house than my life or go on permanent disability and we don't know enough about COVID yet when hospitals are already filling up. . Hospital bills but of the people hospitalized in the ICU, 1o days earns you about 1 million in medical fees without getting intubated. That's the type of debt that follows you. Forget sending your kids to college off that. So yeah, I'd rather lose a house and owe a couple hundred thousand and file bankruptcy and start over than never get to work again or own such an insurmountable amount that I can never get out of it.

Curious as to why you think it is ok to put the public at risk over a house. This is a crisis. It means strange times.

Haven't seen you answer why you would force people back into the public when we know so little about this disease when all the medical experts whose job to protect the public are stating that we are starting to get over run. 4% of the worlds population and 25% of all cases. Those aren't good numbers.

So in 2 weeks evictions start. You just proved my point.

Not forcing anyone to do anything you have a choice. Go back to work or find a new job.

You think a teachers union Lobbying to close down private schools is Ok? That has nothing to do with covid.

What’s a bigger problem being homeless and jobless or getting covid?

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

Well at least you said something that makes some amount of sense. Yes, we can't stay closed forever, however:

0 months --> 4 months = 4 months
4 months --> forever = considerably longer

Well at least you said something that makes some amount of sense. Yes, we can't stay closed forever, however:

0 months --> 4 months = 4 months
4 months --> forever = considerably longer

Ahem.......There actually is a vaccine for swine flu and it works. It's called H1N1. However, there are 160 strains of the flu that we know of. We can only dole out 3 to 4 every year. So try keeping up with those numbers.

Also, the 2017 flu that killed a ton of people had one glaring trait. Those who did not get vaccinated, died. Those who got vaccinated had milder cases and were significantly less likely to get intubated. I proudly discharged a number of those cases home and gave out dozens of vaccines that year.

So there is no effective vaccine to eradicate swine flu so it’s pretty much here and we have to deal with it forever.

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

Well at least you said something that makes some amount of sense. Yes, we can't stay closed forever, however:

0 months --> 4 months = 4 months
4 months --> forever = considerably longer

We have already lost 4 months. So 8 months and if the strain changes as your friend no end by reasonable assumption. So do you think changing to permanent distance learning is ok? We have not eradicated any corona virus strain with any lasting or Permanent cure.

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

Ahem.......There actually is a vaccine for swine flu and it works. It's called H1N1. However, there are 160 strains of the flu that we know of. We can only dole out 3 to 4 every year. So try keeping up with those numbers.

Also, the 2017 flu that killed a ton of people had one glaring trait. Those who did not get vaccinated, died. Those who got vaccinated had milder cases and were significantly less likely to get intubated. I proudly discharged a number of those cases home and gave out dozens of vaccines that year.

But this particular virus has a 99% recovery rate so this isn’t life or death by the masses. Especially compared to damn near every other fatal disease or virus out there.

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

Evictions are not allowed to be enforced upon until July 28 per unless that is extended per the state if it is Covid Related. I can't just call it hooplah because it is on the state website.

https://www.bcsh.ca.gov/coronavirus19/renters_mortgage_guidance.pdf

So first, it's find new teachers and now it's no sympathy for them? Not sure how familiar you are with union bargaining but they don't really expect to get all that. They will go back and forth and pick a few items that are most important and settle or it's possible to ask for the moon to purposely stall to prevent the schools from opening up because the schools have not created a safe environment.

Education is not everything and I've known plenty of people who skipped college and are doing better than most. I would rather lose my house than my life or go on permanent disability and we don't know enough about COVID yet when hospitals are already filling up. . Hospital bills but of the people hospitalized in the ICU, 1o days earns you about 1 million in medical fees without getting intubated. That's the type of debt that follows you. Forget sending your kids to college off that. So yeah, I'd rather lose a house and owe a couple hundred thousand and file bankruptcy and start over than never get to work again or own such an insurmountable amount that I can never get out of it.

Curious as to why you think it is ok to put the public at risk over a house. This is a crisis. It means strange times.

Haven't seen you answer why you would force people back into the public when we know so little about this disease when all the medical experts whose job to protect the public are stating that we are starting to get over run. 4% of the worlds population and 25% of all cases. Those aren't good numbers.

Also add that just because there are no evictions doesn’t change the fact that there is a huge balloon payment due and if people are being forced to not work.

if you are forcing me to stay home to homeschool or distance educate my child you are depriving me of my livelihood. It is illegal to not send your child to school. It is also illegal to leave them home unattended. Sounds like teachers are essential and should go back to work in full capacity just like bankers, cops, linemen, and nurses. If they refuse to do so they are making a choice and should lose their job.

 

[Papa Mocha 15]

But this particular virus has a 99% recovery rate so this isn’t life or death by the masses. Especially compared to damn near every other fatal disease or virus out there.

165,000 Americans would disagree with you. That number is climbing an recovery does not mean they are back to 100% health, so it's not 1 percent. It's higher and disability, heart failure, renal failure are not included in that number. That's what happens when you run with one stat without looking at the big picture. It's like looking at plus/minus and forgetting corsi exists or why some idiot thinks that Erik Karlson is the best d man because he puts up points but forgets what defense is. People are not stupid, just misinformed and don't know how to process information.

 

[Papa Mocha 15]

So there is no effective vaccine to eradicate swine flu so it’s pretty much here and we have to deal with it forever.

It means one can catch it but it won't be as severe. It just gives you a chance to build antibodies. It doesn't eradicate it and because not enough people get it to create herd immunity, it rears its ugly head. That's why you may see it rarely and you don't see polio. Most people get the polio vaccine but not measles and lo and behold we had a measles outbreak in OC. People are very misguided that vaccines equal a cure when they don't. They create herd immunity so the virus dies out. Small pox is another example. How many examples do you need? We can expand to whooping cough too if that helps?

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

17 months ago we had the schools saying if our kids had too many absences even if we got work packets it hurt their funding because their butts needed to be present and in a chair. You could be subject to criminal prosecution in fact by doing so. Now they are ok with writing off 1/3 of a school year passing out bullshit diplomas that kids didn’t earn. But hey there is no outraged because educators still got paid!!!!

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

165,000 Americans would disagree with you. That number is climbing an recovery does not mean they are back to 100% health, so it's not 1 percent. It's higher and disability, heart failure, renal failure are not included in that number. That's what happens when you run with one stat without looking at the big picture. It's like looking at plus/minus and forgetting corsi exists or why some idiot thinks that Erik Karlson is the best d man because he puts up points but forgets what defense is. People are not stupid, just misinformed and don't know how to process information.

That’s a bullshit number my sister works in a hospital and you have people dieing of cancer and getting covid slapped on the death certificate so the hospitals get their money as well. A family had to fight not to get a covid cause of death in hospitals.

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

165,000 Americans would disagree with you. That number is climbing an recovery does not mean they are back to 100% health, so it's not 1 percent. It's higher and disability, heart failure, renal failure are not included in that number. That's what happens when you run with one stat without looking at the big picture. It's like looking at plus/minus and forgetting corsi exists or why some idiot thinks that Erik Karlson is the best d man because he puts up points but forgets what defense is. People are not stupid, just misinformed and don't know how to process information.

How many of them were in shitty health to begin with or extremely old to begin with? They were not at 100% before the virus.

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

If you are at risk or scared stay home. I don’t object to that.

 

[Papa Mocha 15]

17 months ago we had the schools saying if our kids had too many absences even if we got work packets it hurt their funding because their butts needed to be present and in a chair. You could be subject to criminal prosecution in fact by doing so. Now they are ok with writing off 1/3 of a school year passing out bullshit diplomas that kids didn’t earn. But hey there is no outraged because educators still got paid!!!!

Nothing to do with it. Under normal circumstances we are not in a pandemic where 165,000 Americans didn't get killed. Now public safety overrides education. We do this all the time. Right to privacy vs companies rights to sell information. 2nd Ammendment vs public safety. National Security vs Public Safety. In extraordinary situations, other values are going to move in and take priority. Parents are going to need to step up. And education is not the be all end all. I tried to fail a few students but the school passed them because apparently you can only fail 2nd and 7th grade in my district 10 years ago. So I'm not too worried that some employer down the road is going to be overly upset that some kid got passed on a few classes during COVID>

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

That’s like a firefighter saying I can’t go back to work because I’m afraid I’ll die of cancer. Guess what time to get another job.

 

[Papa Mocha 15]

How many of them were in shitty health to begin with or extremely old to begin with? They were not at 100% before the virus.

Yes they were. People younger than me. I'm 44. People younger than me, intubated, sedated, no prior health history on life support. That 65 number was BS. And just because someone has bad health, we do not penalize them for it. They have a right to life too and have a right to not be written off because it is convenient for someone's economic plan.

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

Go get a job where you can work from home. Kids can not be taught and get the social benefits of being around other children in school with teachers and students both being isolated in their domiciles.

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

Yes they were. People younger than me. I'm 44. People younger than me, intubated, sedated, no prior health history on life support. That 65 number was BS. And just because someone has bad health, we do not penalize them for it. They have a right to life too and have a right to not be written off because it is convenient for someone's economic plan.

I didn’t say none I said the percentages. The people that die of covid are almost exclusively , over weight, diabetic, have pre disposed vulnerabilities all of which in case means they should stay home.

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

Why don’t you tell me the statistics of child deaths and or having severe reactions to covid.

 

[Papa Mocha 15]

Go get a job where you can work from home. Kids can not be taught and get the social benefits of being around other children in school with teachers and students both being isolated in their domiciles.

We've had pandemics before. One in particular was coming out of one World War, they then faced a second world war and the Great Depression. We call them the greatest generation. Some of the greatest human beings came out of that. Noneducated mind you. But hey...freedom right.