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GDT: GDT #44 New York Islanders vs Philadelphia Flyers | January 16th | 7:30 PM | F/L 5-3

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scottywiper said:
I have been to the last five home games. For one win and being outscored 16-5 in other four.
Waited five years to get back to see the Isles, and it's been a crushing disappointment.
We sat rinkside tonight and here are my largely clueless takes on what I saw.
I never felt like we could win after Flyers tied it. You could see the second period collapse unfolding as team fell apart.
Roy does not strike me as a good coach. He puts players in situations they are not suited for. Eg Cholowski on in the dying minutes after playing like a muppet all game. He should have been nowhere near the ice.
Cholowski was brutal. His second penalty was so dumb, Pulock had the puck and was moving ahead. Just brain dead play.
Sorokin was not good. He was not peppered with shots and made very few meaningful saves. Hogberg actually looked better when he played!
Dobson. Lord knows whats happened, he's collapsed under Roy. Plays like his heart is not in it. Also always puts his shots along the ice and the goalies know this. His shots rarely threaten this season.
I thought Pelech was okay. Pulock too. They weren't the problem. Pelech at least tried to create offensively, which isn't really his thing.
Barzal was Barzal. He can be so frustrating.
Nelson was apparently a healthy scratch. Again.
Bo pretty much had the game on his stick on the PK when he was in on goal and could have tied it up. He couldn't convert. He seems to do that a lot. At least he broke the PP drought but he still seems a bit underwhelming given the expectations for him.
Anders had no influence, even with the deflected goal. At least he's done well until last few games.
Pager same.
Palmieri had even less.
Duclair even less again.
Engvall same.
A few games ago Tsyplakov looked solid, but he's gone cold. He's capable of better than what we're seeing.
Casey tried without impacting.
Martin, I question what he now brings and why he's there. You barely see him in games, four minutes on ice, and he was lucky Ilya did make one of his good saves when Matt passed it straight across goals to a Flyers player. Martin's presence another question mark over Roy.
The entire fourth line offers nothing now. The fourth line used to hit hard and wear teams down.
There is none of that now, they just go through the motions and hope that's enough.
There is more talent in the team, albeit some of it aging, that what they are showing. And again that makes me think Roy doesn't have what it takes to get results.
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If Roy Goes Then so does Mr. Magoo Too!
 
Missed large portions of this game. I just have a few observations.

1. Garnet Hathaway scored a goal.
2. Garnet Hathaway scored a short handed goal.
3. Garnet Hathaway kills penalties for the Flyers and they have a better PK than the Isles.

Goodnight
 
I was lifting iron at Crunch fitness. Glad I missed this one. Saw the Tsyplakov hit though on replay. Looked like a clean hit to me. The guy is in a high scoring area why shouldn’t Tsyplakov take him out of the play? Hits him clearly shoulder on shoulder with no intention to injure and keeps playing. Flyer fans upset only because they saw the aftermath of a clean hit. Max is just a big player. But his clear intention was to minimize a scoring threat. What’s going on with this league? At least the refs got the call right.
 
This team has lost it's heart and it's grit.
Keep the guys who show that.....get rid of the rest (as reasonable fast as you can).

So...heart and grit - Romo and......and......ok, Lee, though his post game speeches" are killing me. Keep George and Holms who both despite their current skill levels, come to play and show both. Past that, get rid of them all, they all piss me off.

Lou....has neither and has run out of his most precious....time.

Of note...do we even have a fourth line anymore?.....i mean i see our 6th line out there a bit but....
 
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Yet another game where Sorokin sees 4 goals scored against.

How many has it been this season?

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Well, at least each of Nelson and Palms got a point. Need them to get as many as possible as the TrDline approaches.

Yes, I'm in that mode now.
 
Tahoeblue said:
Missed large portions of this game. I just have a few observations.

1. Garnet Hathaway scored a goal.
2. Garnet Hathaway scored a short handed goal.
3. Garnet Hathaway kills penalties for the Flyers and they have a better PK than the Isles.

Goodnight
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Noah Dobson made me want to tear my friggin' hair out. The goal was a slow-moving car crash. Anders Lee busted his *** to improve NYI's stature on that play, and Dobson wasted that effort by continuing to back away. Like, wtf, man. If there's not something wrong with him physically, he's not a player you sign long term for big money. That's friggin' disgraceful.

The play also showed why you absolutely do NOT trade Anders Lee. He busted his friggin' ***. There's no slack in his game. It's going to take a 1 + a prospect, or a high level prospect + a pick for me. I'd rather have that kind of leadership that rebuilding teams usually lack.

In the end this is good. It's clarifying. NYI need to make some decisions. For me, I'd commit to keeping Lee (for at least next year), Barzal, Horvat, Holmstrom, and Romanov. Anyone else can go/be moved. Dobson? Idk, man. I really do not know.
 
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saintunspecified said:
Noah Dobson made me want to tear my friggin' hair out. The goal was a slow-moving car crash. Anders Lee busted his *** to improve NYI's stature on that play, and Dobson wasted that effort by continuing to back away. Like, wtf, man. If there's not something wrong with him physically, he's not a player you sign long term for big money. That's friggin' disgraceful.

The play also showed why you absolutely do NOT trade Anders Lee. He busted his friggin' ***. There's no slack in his game. It's going to take a 1 + a prospect, or a high level prospect + a pick for me. I'd rather have that kind of leadership that rebuilding teams usually lack.

In the end this is good. It's clarifying. NYI need to make some decisions. For me, I'd commit to keeping Lee (for at least next year), Barzal, Horvat, Holmstrom, and Romanov. Anyone else can go/be moved. Dobson? Idk, man. I really do not know.
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Dobson is the best trade bait. I don’t think you can coach out what’s going on in this kids head.

The fat lady has sung folks. I’m going to work on my tennis game. At least there I can experience what it means to win and dominate.
 
Arsenalogist24 said:
Mayfield to Toronto

1 of Pelech/Pulock
1 of Lee/Pageau

Varly once he’s healthy?
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I think Pulock is the better of the 2 and Pelech is overpaid.

Stated before but, If I am a team that can win the cup and can manage the cap, I an all over Lee.

JGP unfortunately has worn down. Don't think we find a taker without retention.
 
So Tysplakov facing a hearing.
Didn't see that when George copped his hit in the head. Which looked far more intentional.
 
Chockey22 said:
I am sure you don’t believe that - if he moves Nelson and Palms and gets a good return, you’re fine with Lou going forward?
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100% no. People seriously overrate Lou here. I wanted snow gone from the moment he was hired, but I never thought Lou was a good solution. The solution was Trotz - Who made Lou look much better than he is by taking snow's roster to the semifinals.

Once Trotz left any real hope did as well.

Lou hasn't done anything but gum up the cap with average/overpriced vets while the team slowly (now rapidly) sinks into subpar mediocrity or worse...With no concrete/viable plan out (or no plan that Lou would ever sign up for).

Given where Lou has led this team a rebuild is probably necessary at this point. Fans can deny and/or complain about that all they want, but if you think this season is bad, wait until you see the next 3-5 year if Lou just resigns Nelson/Palmieri, everyone starts fading even worse, and there's no legit elite young talent to inject into the lineup.

Sometimes you need to just admit when a relationship isn't working and move on to save everyone time.
 
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scottywiper said:
Having flown from Australia for this....I'm at point where I'd happily leave game after that period. It was that bad. Son wants to stay. Foolish.
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I’m an Isles fan dating back to the 1970s so on some level I feel there has to be some good karma out there waiting for me.

With that being said, you deserve it way more than I do. An Aussie fan traveling to the Island to see the games with your kid? That’s superfan territory. Have a safe flight back and just remember, going through some rough patches will make it even sweeter when we turn it around.

And oh yeah, the Rags suck.
 
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periferal said:
100% no. People seriously overrate Lou here. I wanted snow gone from the moment he was hired, but I never thought Lou was a good solution. The solution was Trotz - Who made Lou look much better than he is by taking snow's roster to the semifinals.

Once Trotz left any real hope did as well.

Lou hasn't done anything but gum up the cap with average/overpriced vets while the team slowly (now rapidly) sinks into subpar mediocrity or worse...With no concrete/viable plan out (or no plan that Lou would ever sign up for).

Given where Lou has led this team a rebuild is probably necessary at this point. Fans can deny and/or complain about that all they want, but if you think this season is bad, wait until you see the next 3-5 year if Lou just resigns Nelson/Palmieri, everyone starts fading even worse, and there's no legit elite young talent to inject into the lineup.

Sometimes you need to just admit when a relationship isn't working and move on to save everyone time.
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How is Nashville doing this year? I usually agree with you on most things, but Nashville is in a worse situation than us, both standings wise and with the cap/contracts. They are probably the biggest disappointment in the league this year and Trotz made all those moves.
 
Satan'sIsland81 said:
How is Nashville doing this year? I usually agree with you on most things, but Nashville is in a worse situation than us, both standings wise and with the cap/contracts. They are probably the biggest disappointment in the league this year and Trotz made all those moves.
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Dude...We need to see nuance in here. I said, "Once Trotz left any real hope did as well."

I was talking about Trotz leaving as COACH - Not GM.

You want to bash Trotz the GM because of this bad year in Nashville - Go right ahead. Maybe Trotz sucks as a GM, or maybe he'll turn it around. The greatest NHL player of all time...Was a terrible head coach, but both things can be true.

That said, let's keep our eyes on the prize here, and that is..Our current GM is doing a terrible job right now. How we can prove it? Look at not just the record of the team, but their trajectory into NHL purgatory all while he cannot stop doubling-down on moves that don't work.

I'm not looking to replace Lou with Trotz, but I am looking to replace him ASAP before he sinks this franchise even worse than he has the last few seasons.
 
The Real JT said:
I’m an Isles fan dating back to the 1970s so on some level I feel there has to be some good karma out there waiting for me.

With that being said, you deserve it way more than I do. An Aussie fan traveling to the Island to see the games with your kid? That’s superfan territory. Have a safe flight back and just remember, going through some rough patches will make it even sweeter when we turn it around.

And oh yeah, the Rags suck.
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Look, you've done the hard yards. I got lucky when I stumbled on Islanders, start of the Trotz era. Even got to see a couple of wins at the Old Barn and watched many great wins from afar.
When I first started following Isles and came on the fan base was clearly beaten up, the posting was so defeatist and people always expected the worst.
It was actually great to see Isles fans enjoying success after what had obviously been a painful period.. As a supporter of sporting teams back home I could easily identify with that.
Now, six and a bit years on, it seems we're back there again and this time I am one of those cynics!
 
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periferal said:
Dude...We need to see nuance in here. I said, "Once Trotz left any real hope did as well."

I was talking about Trotz leaving as COACH - Not GM.

You want to bash Trotz the GM because of this bad year in Nashville - Go right ahead. Maybe Trotz sucks as a GM, or maybe he'll turn it around. The greatest NHL player of all time...Was a terrible head coach, but both things can be true.

That said, let's keep our eyes on the prize here, and that is..Our current GM is doing a terrible job right now. How we can prove it? Look at not just the record of the team, but their trajectory into NHL purgatory all while he cannot stop doubling-down on moves that don't work.

I'm not looking to replace Lou with Trotz, but I am looking to replace him ASAP before he sinks this franchise even worse than he has the last few seasons.
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I won't pretend to know enough about running an NHL team to make definitive statements on Lou. I don't have a strong opinion on him.
But I will say this.
He's 80-plus. It's a demanding job that needs a long-term plan, and quite possibly a fresh approach under a new set of eyes. It seems very unusual to have someone of that age in that sort of position, in any sport anywhere in the world. It just feels bizarre, for both parties.
 
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saintunspecified said:
In the end this is good. It's clarifying. NYI need to make some decisions. For me, I'd commit to keeping Lee (for at least next year), Barzal, Horvat, Holmstrom, and Romanov. Anyone else can go/be moved. Dobson? Idk, man. I really do not know.
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I'd add Tsyplakov to that list simply because he's still going to have a very doable contract and we've come to see that he not only shows some - at times - special vision and can adeptly carry the puck, but is a strong player who makes ample use of his physical abilities.

Sorokin will be on most people's lists as well, although you've gotta wonder what the club thinks of Hogberg's capabilities as a back-up combined with whatever timeline the team has for Gamzin (playing KHL hockey) and Gidlöf (playing SHL hockey). Another route could be possible with one of the UFA layovers who'll be available this summer.

As for Dobson - and even Barzal - one needs to have an open ear. Admittedly, you don't look to move Dobson now while his value is hitting a possible low point. But if a Vancouver calls and says, "We're at that point where we're ready to move Elias Pettersson, Filip Hronek, and Nils Hoglander and if you send the more affordable Barzal and Dobson our way in return, we'll take Engvall as part of the package to help make the money work. We know you've got your guy whose good with getting the Russians over, so we'd throw in the rights to Kravtsov as well to help you with the decision. He and his agent surely see what's gone on with Sorokin and is going on with Tsyplakov now. And this acquisition would surely add some spice to your relationship with the boys in the city too", then it's gotta be something oyu consider.

I think it'd be hard to move on from Lee at this point and understand why you have him above, but it's really not unthinkable that one or two of those Western Conference contenders could offer something nice and shiny to bring in a Lee in his current form. He's getting less than 6 this season and is only due 4.5 next season.

A couple of those teams have some real young, good players who could use a bit more sheltering and leadership.

If ownership and management are thinking in an open manner about the possibilities, well, there could be a whole lot.

My "don't touch list" (because I think you can take a totally awesome and radical new direction with a re-tooling) consists of Horvat, Holmstrom, Tsyplakov, Romanov, and Eiserman. I'd be down with Barzal, Dobson, and Sorokin continuing to be part of that list.

The ear would be open for everyone else.
 
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