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AB13 gives me the impression of being the most biased swede in here, together with that fool who insists writing that Sweden has their F-team. Department: Always an excuse for every loss and living in denial.
God forbid if little brother would actually have a better forward group. Because we actually do.
First of all, do you remember 2019? When you had quite the players. How did that go?
What about juniors these last decades? How many gold medals? What have you guys won lately?
Barkov over any Swedish center, check. I would choose Aho before Bäckström and Zibanejad too, even if it's closer it's not that difficult. What about your third center and fourth center? Better than Hintz, Lundell, Granlund etc. We even have Kotkaniemi and Luostarinen behind them. Like please, you are just being blind here.
Let me just say I have a feeling that Lundell would be close in numbers to Bäckström if he got that PP time and the chance to play with Ovie. The guy is already a great two-way center but he has shown how good he can be offensively. He completely dominated at the WJC´s, just like Heinola.
The thing here is as K.K. has mentioned, you need star power in front but going down the lines it's just as important with chemistry and roles. Kapanen could fill such role just as good as Bratt, Olofsson etc. There numbers become secondary when they have to take other roles than top6 or top9. One example of this is Markus Granlund. He's capable of being in a roster if he's a top 6 player in the team. There will always be better wingers for the lower lines in my opinion. Things aren't as "Easy" as you seem to believe.
I would even choose Teräväinen before Forsberg. Ever since 2014 when he won the WJC gold he's shown me he's capable of winning trophies and being a factor, more than Forsberg. I don't even give a rats ass about stats regarding this. He's won titles and contributed. That's that. Those juniors from 2014 and on are now grown up and it's pretty clear Finland do have some winners.
Rantanen is clearly better than any Swedish winger.
Then we have that thing called chemistry. Give a player like Laine a center like Aho or Barkov and I´m sure he'll be another player. He's played with Little and Roslovic these last years...
Kakko shares some history with Lundell and they have worked well together. Kakko is another one who performes in the Leijonat jersey, at both junior level but at the 2019 WC´s as well.
As mentioned before, you only need 12-14 great-good forwards to win. Who cares if you have 25 top9 forwards with Garpen as a coach? What will you achieve with that?
Goalies: Saros, Lankinen, Kähkönen, Husso and Luukkonen over the Swedish ones? Yes please. Without hesitating.
The only thing at this very moment speaking in favor of Sweden is your defenders but it doesn't matter because the overall Finnish team would be stronger. Both in organization but also when it comes to different styles of players who could match together. That's the thing with Jalonen, he builds a good base and as K.K. has mentioned we have "Meidän peli". That means a good defense will always be one of the teams top priorities.
Like what makes you believe you would have a better chance of winning when you already had a lot of NHL players 2019 and still lost? Imagine when Jalonen gets his hands on Barkov, Aho, Lundell, Hintz, Granlund down the middle? Come on and stop lying to yourself. It's tragicomical to say the least.
It's close among the top five but I have Canada as the clear favorites followed by Finland and the US and perhaps Russia, with Sweden being really, really close at fifth. Well, only my opinion. Russia have a lot better goalies than Sweden and a stronger top6 as well. If they would have a good organization I´m sure they would beat Sweden. Good netminding with Kaprizov, Panarin, Kuznetsov, Ovechkin, Malkin, Svechnikov and probably Tarasenko before Swedish top6? Yes.
I mean when speaking of depth Canada and the US are superior no matter what, next topic? Star power. I feel like both Canada, the US, Russia and Finland nowadays have more to offer than Sweden.
There was a difference when we only hade a couple of guys like Selänne and Koivu etc. The thing you are missing here is that you are not on the same level as before and that we are actually better than before. It still was close back then but you had guys like a prime Forsberg, Sundin, Alfredsson and a good Näslund, Zetterberg and a lot more top6 depth than you have now. Lundqvist when he was good as well. Those times are behind you right now. Even if you have great talents such as Raymond and others coming up.
But hey, I have a feeling you believe Sweden have the best roster after Canada by your earlier sentences and that makes me believe that you are delusional at this point.
God forbid if little brother would actually have a better forward group. Because we actually do.
First of all, do you remember 2019? When you had quite the players. How did that go?
What about juniors these last decades? How many gold medals? What have you guys won lately?
Barkov over any Swedish center, check. I would choose Aho before Bäckström and Zibanejad too, even if it's closer it's not that difficult. What about your third center and fourth center? Better than Hintz, Lundell, Granlund etc. We even have Kotkaniemi and Luostarinen behind them. Like please, you are just being blind here.
Let me just say I have a feeling that Lundell would be close in numbers to Bäckström if he got that PP time and the chance to play with Ovie. The guy is already a great two-way center but he has shown how good he can be offensively. He completely dominated at the WJC´s, just like Heinola.
The thing here is as K.K. has mentioned, you need star power in front but going down the lines it's just as important with chemistry and roles. Kapanen could fill such role just as good as Bratt, Olofsson etc. There numbers become secondary when they have to take other roles than top6 or top9. One example of this is Markus Granlund. He's capable of being in a roster if he's a top 6 player in the team. There will always be better wingers for the lower lines in my opinion. Things aren't as "Easy" as you seem to believe.
I would even choose Teräväinen before Forsberg. Ever since 2014 when he won the WJC gold he's shown me he's capable of winning trophies and being a factor, more than Forsberg. I don't even give a rats ass about stats regarding this. He's won titles and contributed. That's that. Those juniors from 2014 and on are now grown up and it's pretty clear Finland do have some winners.
Rantanen is clearly better than any Swedish winger.
Then we have that thing called chemistry. Give a player like Laine a center like Aho or Barkov and I´m sure he'll be another player. He's played with Little and Roslovic these last years...
Kakko shares some history with Lundell and they have worked well together. Kakko is another one who performes in the Leijonat jersey, at both junior level but at the 2019 WC´s as well.
As mentioned before, you only need 12-14 great-good forwards to win. Who cares if you have 25 top9 forwards with Garpen as a coach? What will you achieve with that?
Goalies: Saros, Lankinen, Kähkönen, Husso and Luukkonen over the Swedish ones? Yes please. Without hesitating.
The only thing at this very moment speaking in favor of Sweden is your defenders but it doesn't matter because the overall Finnish team would be stronger. Both in organization but also when it comes to different styles of players who could match together. That's the thing with Jalonen, he builds a good base and as K.K. has mentioned we have "Meidän peli". That means a good defense will always be one of the teams top priorities.
Like what makes you believe you would have a better chance of winning when you already had a lot of NHL players 2019 and still lost? Imagine when Jalonen gets his hands on Barkov, Aho, Lundell, Hintz, Granlund down the middle? Come on and stop lying to yourself. It's tragicomical to say the least.
It's close among the top five but I have Canada as the clear favorites followed by Finland and the US and perhaps Russia, with Sweden being really, really close at fifth. Well, only my opinion. Russia have a lot better goalies than Sweden and a stronger top6 as well. If they would have a good organization I´m sure they would beat Sweden. Good netminding with Kaprizov, Panarin, Kuznetsov, Ovechkin, Malkin, Svechnikov and probably Tarasenko before Swedish top6? Yes.
I mean when speaking of depth Canada and the US are superior no matter what, next topic? Star power. I feel like both Canada, the US, Russia and Finland nowadays have more to offer than Sweden.
There was a difference when we only hade a couple of guys like Selänne and Koivu etc. The thing you are missing here is that you are not on the same level as before and that we are actually better than before. It still was close back then but you had guys like a prime Forsberg, Sundin, Alfredsson and a good Näslund, Zetterberg and a lot more top6 depth than you have now. Lundqvist when he was good as well. Those times are behind you right now. Even if you have great talents such as Raymond and others coming up.
But hey, I have a feeling you believe Sweden have the best roster after Canada by your earlier sentences and that makes me believe that you are delusional at this point.
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