Olympics: GDT 13 feb Finland vs Sweden

[karhukissa]

Finland has more superstars and better goalie, Sweden has more depth and way better defence. Garpenlöv couldn't even tie Jalonen's shoe laces. So come at me with straight face and talk about Sweden being a clear favourite.

Also, saying that Sweden controlled game just tells me that person doesn't understand this fine game called Hockey. Sweden didn't score 5 on 5, Finland was in the box for the whole 2nd period so obviously Sweden controls. Third period was all Finland.

We also beat Sweden with Liiga players in 2019, you had Landeskog, Nylander, Klingberg etc. so don't come and say that Sweden would win just like that. Sweden either wins gold or then is a total bust, Finland always delivers under this new wave of coaches. Same goes with juniors, Sweden is a total flop because they can't handle pressure.

 

[IceHockeyDude]

Your Olympic team for Beijing is definitely better than the Swedish team, of course I think best on best.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[IceHockeyDude]

Finland has more superstars and better goalie, Sweden has more depth and way better defence. Garpenlöv couldn't even tie Jalonen's shoe laces. So come at me with straight face and talk about Sweden being a clear favourite.

It is very close between Finland, Russia and Sweden. Because of the volume of high-end Dmen I would rank Sweden higher than Finland on best on best.

 

[karhukissa]

It is very close between Finland, Russia and Sweden. Because of the volume of high-end Dmen I would rank Sweden higher than Finland on best on best.

I agree, if we look on the paper Sweden has better roster i've always said that. But it's close and Finland has more high end power, hence it's extremely close.

And since Finland vs Sweden has always been extremely tight when we had way worse rosters, now i'd say that Finland is a favourite if anything. We have more success in recent years than Sweden with lackluster players, so now when we have good players how come we wouldn't be favourites Hockey is much more than just rosters on a paper and Finland has showed that so many times that i can't even count.

 

[Elias40]

Yes, because of Jalonen mostly I believe that Finland is quite a bit better than Sweden at their best right now but there are other factors such as that Finland in general seems to be able to play much better than the roster indicates, this has often been a characteristic thing for team Finland.

On paper the Swedish and Finnish teams seem quite close to me even thought very different and with different strengths and weaknesses but I would still take the Finnish team even when only based on the rosters on paper, however I can also see why some would take Sweden over Finland here.

In 2016-2018 we had a bad head coach (for the national team) Lauri Marjamäki, We didn't get any medals with him and had some of the worst results in years.

Sweden shoots regularly with poor coaching. WJC in the Czech Republic and Sweden did not even make it to the finals, which is a criminal act with the strength of the team. And Monten was with the U20 team for five years, five frustrating years, except for one tournament he ever had. With the strength of Swedish hockey, Sweden should be more successful. But that's not happening, the Swedes are just lagging behind Finland a lot here and I think the difference will be widening. Since Finland does not only have Jalonen, I think Pennanen or Manner also has quality. Now Hallam comes, you slowly welcome him as a savior ... but what if he disappoints too? The training of players is fine, with coaches it is much worse.
Marjamäki was also a mistake, but here you see who works better and increases their chances of success in the tournament. If you compare who has the best coaches in the top 5, Sweden is clearly the last.
And this can make a difference in the case of two balanced teams and decide the match. Which, after all, showed itself today, when Garpenlöv had to react 2-3 to the goal.

 

[IceHockeyDude]

I agree, if we look on the paper Sweden has better roster i've always said that. But it's close and Finland has more high end power, hence it's extremely close.

And since Finland vs Sweden has always been extremely tight when we had way worse rosters, now i'd say that Finland is a favourite if anything. We have more success in recent years than Sweden with lackluster players, so now when we have good players how come we wouldn't be favourites Hockey is much more than just rosters on a paper and Finland has showed that so many times that i can't even count.

Yep, but Sweden won the WCs twice in a row in 2017 and 2018. They also won in 2013 so they have had their share of success aswell.

 

[karhukissa]

Yep, but Sweden won the WCs twice in a row in 2017 and 2018. They also won in 2013 so they have had their share of success aswell.

True. And i love Sweden as a country, home of snus and abba. If Finland get's relegated, i hope all the best for Sweden and i hope that they win. Small countries need to stick together against big opponents.

But this delusionalism is just very annoying.

 

[Svedu]

Yep, but Sweden won the WCs twice in a row in 2017 and 2018. They also won in 2013 so they have had their share of success aswell.

Well, let's go further to be fair. What roster did Sweden get compared to others? Klingberg, Ekholm, Adam Larsson, Hampus Lindholm, Ekman-Larsson, Filip Forsberg, Hörnqvist, Janmark, Kempe, Zibanejad, Rakell, Elias Pettersson, Nyqvist...
When a lot of nations had none of their NHL´ers or a few. Not that impressive if you ask me. Especially considering a lot of those players would be selected in their best-on-best roster.

Snus gives you cancer and ABBA are a bit overrated But Sweden do produce a lot of "Successful" music, and some of them are more than good.
Folke Bernadotte is someone who always needs some praise, something or someone to be proud of! Dag Hammarskjöld as well of course!

 

[Elias40]

True. And i love Sweden as a country, home of snus and abba. If Finland get's relegated, i hope all the best for Sweden and i hope that they win. Small countries need to stick together against big opponents.

But this delusionalism is just very annoying.

I still have it, if Sweden is eliminated in QF and Finland continues, I wish them a win. No pointless rivalry and wishes of failure just because my team dropped out.
Are you still annoyed by the 2006 finals?

 

[OskarOskarius]

Finland has more superstars and better goalie, Sweden has more depth and way better defence. Garpenlöv couldn't even tie Jalonen's shoe laces. So come at me with straight face and talk about Sweden being a clear favourite.

Also, saying that Sweden controlled game just tells me that person doesn't understand this fine game called Hockey. Sweden didn't score 5 on 5, Finland was in the box for the whole 2nd period so obviously Sweden controls. Third period was all Finland.

We also beat Sweden with Liiga players in 2019, you had Landeskog, Nylander, Klingberg etc. so don't come and say that Sweden would win just like that. Sweden either wins gold or then is a total bust, Finland always delivers under this new wave of coaches. Same goes with juniors, Sweden is a total flop because they can't handle pressure.

Ever heard of winning fatigue?

 

[jonlin]

Are you still annoyed by the 2006 finals?

Ofcourse we are. If Saku Koivu hadnt broken his stick who knows what would have happened... Nah, I wish Sweden to win if we dont. And whatever happens, Russia has to loose.

 

[karhukissa]

I still have it, if Sweden is eliminated in QF and Finland continues, I wish them a win. No pointless rivalry and wishes of failure just because my team dropped out.
Are you still annoyed by the 2006 finals?

Not anymore, it took couple of years to get over it. And there's a big difference of that generation of swedish players and this current one.

Goddamn Peter Forsberg and Sundin were intimidating, most fierced warriors and they never broke. I was scared to death to face Sweden That's why i like 2022 because those guys are dead breed. Elias Pettersson taking insta selfies vs Foppa who literally killed with his look.

 

[karhukissa]

Ever heard of winning fatigue?

Yeah, that's why we lost to Canada last WHC final. Jalonen has too sore neck due to gold medals probably being heavier than other medals.

 

[Jussi]

Good to know, you know nothing about hockey..

You should see his posts on football on the Soccer board. No, actually you shouldn't.

 

[Elias40]

Not anymore, it took couple of years to get over it. And there's a big difference of that generation of swedish players and this current one.

Goddamn Peter Forsberg and Sundin were intimidating, most fierced warriors and they never broke. I was scared to death to face Sweden That's why i like 2022 because those guys are dead breed. Elias Pettersson taking insta selfies vs Foppa who literally killed with his look.

Yeah Al that sounds pretty crap to me, Looks like Landeskog a guy who wants to win every match and every duel. And then only Hedman knows what it means to win a trophy. The rest are great players, average players but not winners who go for Tre Kronor fight for the win. I don't see any Bergeron, Crosby or Marchand there.

So Mats Sundin had a more killer look than Foppa. I miss these personalities, today's hockey generally has very few, but this is due to where hockey has moved since the time of Sundin or Forsberg.

 

[AB13]

Do you mean this tournament or best on best? On best on best I would agree Sweden could ice a better team overall. This Olympic team there's no question which team is better.

We were separated by an OT goal. But sure, no question. But I’m the one who doesn’t credit the opponent. You really love shitting on me for things you do yourself.

Dude.. I really don't want to mean no harm but are you actually serious? "All Star" Adrian Kempe, say that sentence once again, loud and clear. This All Star has never broke 40pts in his career and this season he's got 28 points. All Star game in 2022 is not a merit and we all know it. Kasperi Kapanen for example has scored with higher rate than this All Star and that should tell you something.

I was not serious about Kempe being an all star player. Of course not. I should have used smilies or something to make that clear. I do think he is way better than the finnish players that would have similarly small roles on their team though.

 

[OskarOskarius]

Finland has more superstars and better goalie, Sweden has more depth and way better defence. Garpenlöv couldn't even tie Jalonen's shoe laces. So come at me with straight face and talk about Sweden being a clear favourite.

Also, saying that Sweden controlled game just tells me that person doesn't understand this fine game called Hockey. Sweden didn't score 5 on 5, Finland was in the box for the whole 2nd period so obviously Sweden controls. Third period was all Finland.

We also beat Sweden with Liiga players in 2019, you had Landeskog, Nylander, Klingberg etc. so don't come and say that Sweden would win just like that. Sweden either wins gold or then is a total bust, Finland always delivers under this new wave of coaches. Same goes with juniors, Sweden is a total flop because they can't handle pressure.

Superstars this superstars that. If you count max points produced in a hypothetical 5v5 your superstars sadly can’t compensate for poor dmen.

Sweden
Landeskog 46
Zibanejad 49
Nylander 43
Hedman 48
Dahlin 29
Total points: 215

Finland
Rantanen 55
Aho 48
Barkov 40
Heiskanen 27
Lindell 15
Total points: 185

 

[Svedu]

We were separated by an OT goal. But sure, no question. But I’m the one who doesn’t credit the opponent.

I was not serious about Kempe being an all star player. Of course not. I should have used smilies or something to make that clear. I do think he is way better than the finnish players that would have similarly small roles on their team though.

Of course you do. Du har svar på allt, bortförklaringar och osanningar d.v.s.

You are special, I´ll give you that. The denial is for real.

 

[OskarOskarius]

Yeah, that's why we lost to Canada last WHC final. Jalonen has too sore neck due to gold medals probably being heavier than other medals.

Winning fatigue after just one gold?

 

[AB13]

Of course you do. Du har svar på allt, bortförklaringar och osanningar d.v.s.

You are special, I´ll give you that. The denial is for real.

Denial? About what? There is no non-finnish poster on here who belives you have a better roster than Sweden best on best. I’m not the one with controversial opinions. The common consensus is that Sweden have better NHL players than Finland. You are the one in denial.

 

[Svedu]

Superstars this superstars that. If you count max points produced in a hypothetical 5v5 your superstars sadly can’t compensate for poor dmen.

Sweden
Landeskog 46
Zibanejad 49
Nylander 43
Hedman 48
Dahlin 29
Total points: 215

Finland
Rantanen 55
Aho 48
Barkov 40
Heiskanen 27
Lindell 15
Total points: 185

Rantanen is better than all your forwards, so is Barkov and so is Aho. Further questions? Heiskanen is just as good as Dahlin and I believe a majority of experts would agree.
But you keep on counting your points grabben. Mr "Sweden have their F team", aka always having poor excuses for every loss against Finland.

 

[karhukissa]

Winning fatigue after just one gold?

Jalonen has 3 gold medals.

 

[Svedu]

Denial? About what? There is no non-finnish poster on here who belives you have a better roster than Sweden best on best. I’m not the one with controversial opinions. The common consensus is that Sweden have better NHL players than Finland. You are the one in denial.

Finland will likely have the better team overall, the thing that matters. Not your never ending comparisons. You had a better roster 2019 as well, look how that went for you?
The difference between our centers are almost as big as our difference regarding the D´s. When you add goalies to the mix and the organization? I would consider us as favorites. End of story.

Dra ner på chipsen och drick lite vatten. Lite väl saltigt va? Även för en nisse som du.

 

[Elias40]

Rantanen is better than all your forwards, so is Barkov and so is Aho. Further questions? Heiskanen is just as good as Dahlin and I believe a majority of experts would agree.
But you keep on counting your points grabben. Mr "Sweden have their F team", aka always having poor excuses for every loss against Finland.

That Rantanen is the best player is, in my view, a bit debatable. Nylander has great potential, but in Toronto he just won't make it to the front row for a long time to show if he's a better and more complex player than Marner. I agree at the centers, the two are elsewhere.

 

[karhukissa]

Denial? About what? There is no non-finnish poster on here who belives you have a better roster than Sweden best on best. I’m not the one with controversial opinions. The common consensus is that Sweden have better NHL players than Finland. You are the one in denial.

When do you get the point i have? Sweden has better NHL players in total, there are more of them and better depth.

Common consensus is that if we take top-30 players in NHL there are 3 Finns and 1 Swede, that's the point. You suggest EP being even close to Barkov and people will laugh at you. Say these things abou Dahlin to anyone else than Buffalo fans and they will die to laughter.