Olympics: GDT 13 feb Finland vs Sweden

[Svedu]

I would not take Dahlin over McDavid. I said I would take Dahlin over everyone besides McDavid for the next 10 years.

Wow, you are something else. Are you serious, or just having a laugh and entertaining us and yourself?

 

[AB13]

Because you don't watch Avs games, or Dallas games for that matter. Mikko Rantanen is a top-5 winger in the NHL by every single metrics you can find. You can't compare him to Landeskog or William Nylander, that is just crazy.

I did not compare him to Nylander. His point production per game this season is virtually identical to Landeskog. I agree that Rantanen is better than our wingers. Not better than prime Sedin, Bäckström, or Zetterberg. Say that and you are laughed at. All of those guys are either Art Ross + Hart winners or triple gold club members.

 

[Svedu]

Yes. I agree. "Good luck with the two way game" was a weird comment though.

Because they aren't just as good, they are better. I just wanted to see how delusional you really are.

 

[Svedu]

I did not compare him to Nylander. His point production per game this season is virtually identical to Landeskog. I agree that Rantanen is better than our wingers. Not better than prime Sedin, Bäckström, or Zetterberg. Say that and you are laughed at. All of those guys are either Art Ross + Hart winners or triple gold club members.

Give Barkov a prime Ovie and he would tear Bäckström apart. Oh wait, I didn't?

 

[karhukissa]

I did not compare him to Nylander. His point production per game this season is virtually identical to Landeskog. I agree that Rantanen is better than our wingers. Not better than prime Sedin, Bäckström, or Zetterberg. Say that and you are laughed at. All of those guys are either Art Ross/Hart winners or triple gold club members.

I love Landeskog, but he has 0,77 PPG on his NHL career and Mikko has 0,99 so that's that. Winger Mikko Rantanen is also a number one center of Colorado at the moment.

 

[AB13]

Give Barkov a prime Ovie and he would tear Bäckström apart. Oh wait, I didn't?

I hope you don’t actually think Barkov is better than prime Bäckström, a genuine legend of the game. Give Ovie prime Barkov and he doesn’t have as good of a career. Bäckström was better than Ovie throughout most of the 2010s, but not the 00s.

 

[Svedu]

I did not compare him to Nylander. His point production per game this season is virtually identical to Landeskog. I agree that Rantanen is better than our wingers. Not better than prime Sedin, Bäckström, or Zetterberg. Say that and you are laughed at. All of those guys are either Art Ross + Hart winners or triple gold club members.

Well, no Swedish forward today is better than prime Selänne either. Your point is what exactly?

 

[AB13]

Well, no Swedish forward today is better than prime Selänne either. Your point is what exactly?

That Karkuhissa made a ridiculous comment comparing Rantanen to generational players.

 

[Svedu]

I hope you don’t actually think Barkov is better than prime Bäckström, a genuine legend of the game. Give Ovie prime Barkov and he doesn’t have as good of a career.

I actually do believe Barkov will have a better career. He will probably win the Stanley with Florida being the true leader of the team. Not like Bäckström, depending on both Ovie and then Kuznetsov as a second behind him

Last but not least, if you consider Bäckström as a legend? Then Barkov and Aho are on a good way to reach similar status.

 

[karhukissa]

That Karkuhissa made a ridiculous comment comparing Rantanen to generational players.

I tried to get close to your Dahlin comments, but i wasn't even close.

 

[OskarOskarius]

Rantanen is better than all your forwards, so is Barkov and so is Aho. Further questions? Heiskanen is just as good as Dahlin and I believe a majority of experts would agree.
But you keep on counting your points grabben. Mr "Sweden have their F team", aka always having poor excuses for every loss against Finland.

You can count can’t you?

Let’s see second best 5v5

Sweden
Bratt 43
Forsberg 40
Lindholm 40
Karlsson 26
Klingberg 26
Total points: 175

Finland
Hintz 40
Granlund 39
Teräväinen 36
Jokiharju 11
Ristolainen 11
Total points: 137

The drop off will increase even more for third best 5v5. But basically our second 5v5 is on par with your first.

 

[mattihp]

Maybe this discussion should be in its own thread

 

[Svedu]

You can count can’t you?

Let’s see second best 5v5

Sweden
Bratt 43
Forsberg 40
Lindholm 40
Karlsson 26
Klingberg 26
Total points: 175

Finland
Hintz 40
Granlund 39
Teräväinen 36
Jokiharju 11
Ristolainen 11
Total points: 137

The drop off will increase even more for third best 5v5. But basically our second 5v5 is on par with your first.

Hintz over Bratt? Every single day. Granlund over Forsberg? Close one but I would take Granlund because his repertoar is a lot bigger. Teräväinen before Lindholm? Close one, I love Teräväinen, what can I say? Lindholm is good. There you have it "Mr F-team". Dina mattekunskaper är föga imponerande och dina simpla slutsatser visar att du är... Simpel. Livet är mer komplext än så.

 

[karhukissa]

You can count can’t you?

Let’s see second best 5v5

Sweden
Bratt 43
Forsberg 40
Lindholm 40
Karlsson 26
Klingberg 26
Total points: 175

Finland
Hintz 40
Granlund 39
Teräväinen 36
Jokiharju 11
Ristolainen 11
Total points: 137

The drop off will increase even more for third best 5v5. But basically our second 5v5 is on par with your first.

Who are you and why are you ruining good conversation with AB13 with these weird stats. First of all, don't count total points count PPG. There we get a lot closer, second, we have talked about forwards here. Nobody's denying that Sweden has better defenders.

Third, gap between Barkov, Rantanen and Aho to your best forwards is so massive that solely that makes our top-6 much better.

 

[karhukissa]

Maybe this discussion should be in its own thread

Yeah and this conversation is just repeating itself It was fun though boys!

 

[OskarOskarius]

Who are you and why are you ruining good conversation with AB13 with these weird stats. First of all, don't count total points count PPG. There we get a lot closer, second, we have talked about forwards here. Nobody's denying that Sweden has better defenders.

Third, gap between Barkov, Rantanen and Aho to your best forwards is so massive that solely that makes our top-6 much better.

Hmm I look at the stats and sadly you seem to be wrong. Also ppg is for statpadders.

 

[karhukissa]

Hmm I look at the stats and sadly you seem to be wrong. Also ppg is for statpadders.

No hard feelings guys, it's good to show passion in conversation. Just means that we both love our teams haha.

 

[IceHockeyDude]

Maybe this discussion should be in its own thread

Mods are probably laughing so hard they don't want to lock it.

 

[OskarOskarius]

No hard feelings guys, it's good to show passion in conversation. Just means that we both love our teams haha.

I don’t even want a finn to agree that wouldn’t be fun.

 

[karhukissa]

I don’t even want a finn to agree that wouldn’t be fun.

Yeah, it was a blast

 

[karhukissa]

That Karkuhissa made a ridiculous comment comparing Rantanen to generational players.

Brofist to you too, let's hope that Finland and Sweden meets in the final so we can have a part 2.

 

[Elias40]

You don't even have better centers, or forwards, or goalies. I can't see how you do. You have Barkov. Outside of that, Sweden have better centers.

Why do you actually think Sweden has better centers than Finland? Both Barkov and Aho have long been among the top centers in the NHL, and Barkov has set out to be a legendary player for Florida in their short history. They just have quality and depth in this place, they grow Lundell, maybe Kotkaniemi and Hintz is also an excellent two-way center. Comprehensively, Sweden is stronger than Finland, but not by much. And I think that difference can continue in the future if it keeps the quality in defense. When Hedman, Karlsson or Brodin leave, I hope that Broberg, Bjornot or Sandin will smoothly represent them. Of course, I don't expect them to be at Karlsson's level in his best season, but they could still be better off than Finland.

 

[Ciccarelli]

Its funny how the moomins think they have won it all after a OT round robin win.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Finland has more superstars and better goalie, Sweden has more depth and way better defence. Garpenlöv couldn't even tie Jalonen's shoe laces. So come at me with straight face and talk about Sweden being a clear favourite.

Also, saying that Sweden controlled game just tells me that person doesn't understand this fine game called Hockey. Sweden didn't score 5 on 5, Finland was in the box for the whole 2nd period so obviously Sweden controls. Third period was all Finland.

We also beat Sweden with Liiga players in 2019, you had Landeskog, Nylander, Klingberg etc. so don't come and say that Sweden would win just like that. Sweden either wins gold or then is a total bust, Finland always delivers under this new wave of coaches. Same goes with juniors, Sweden is a total flop because they can't handle pressure.

sweden dominated finland first 2 periods in 5 vs 5. thats a fact.

sweden has many silver and bronze, so not sure what you mean with "bust".

 

[Eye of Ra]

Well, let's go further to be fair. What roster did Sweden get compared to others? Klingberg, Ekholm, Adam Larsson, Hampus Lindholm, Ekman-Larsson, Filip Forsberg, Hörnqvist, Janmark, Kempe, Zibanejad, Rakell, Elias Pettersson, Nyqvist...
When a lot of nations had none of their NHL´ers or a few. Not that impressive if you ask me. Especially considering a lot of those players would be selected in their best-on-best roster.

Snus gives you cancer and ABBA are a bit overrated But Sweden do produce a lot of "Successful" music, and some of them are more than good.
Folke Bernadotte is someone who always needs some praise, something or someone to be proud of! Dag Hammarskjöld as well of course!

just look at the rosters canada, russia and usa had. full of good nhlers.

russia had all star teams so many times and yet not winning. having strong roster is not automatic winning gold.