Speculation: Gaudreau seeking $8M annually on new deal with Flames

[izzy]

Deserves it, he's a beast.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Flames management are a bunch of cavemen. Gaudreau is far and away their best player, and they are going to hold him hostage because they think he's too small? Honestly, is there something in the water up in Alberta that destroys basic judgement and critical thinking skills of hockey management personnel?

I don't know what else Johnny has left to prove. It seems like its always something, they are never satisfied, will never admit that he actually is just that fantastic of a talent. He's more than proven his ability to dominate at the highest level despite his size, yet people still want to hold it against him.

Hilarious. Even his own management team doubts him. They are no better than the cohort of perpetually wrong haters on HF.

 

[nuckfan insk]

8 years at 8mill.... Do it flames

 

[DJJones]

Flames management are a bunch of cavemen. Gaudreau is far and away their best player, and they are going to hold him hostage because they think he's too small? Honestly, is there something in the water up in Alberta that destroys basic judgement and critical thinking skills of hockey management?

I don't know what else Johnny has left to prove. It seems like its always something, they are never satisfied, will never admit that he actually is just that fantastic of a talent. He's more than proven his ability to dominate at the highest level despite his size, yet people still want to hold it against him.

Hilarious. Even his own management team doubts him. They are no better than the cohort of perpetually wrong haters on HF.

Haha, take it you've never been in a negotiation before. *whoosh*

 

[viper0220]

This should have been done. long time ago and why are people brining McDavid into this?

 

[Skobel24]

Yeah thats not true at all. Monahan feeds off of Gaudreau, and the fact that people still think that Monahan is a great 2-way player have not watched him the last 3 years and are just going off his draft reputation (he improved a bit in that area in the 2nd half last year, but still wasn't a very good 2-way player). Gaudreau is average defensively partially due to his lack of size and strength, but he reads the play well and is able to intercept passes and steal pucks off guys with his sneaky skating and ability to be in the right position. You could make an argument that Brodie is better, but he's nowhere near as dynamic and that would be solely based on positional value. Gio has slowed down and still isn't anything special on the defensive side of things, but I certainly won't try to argue that he's not a beast offensively.

Patrick Kane does none of those things you mentioned either and he's still one of the best players in the game. Gaudreau's offence is elite so he doesn't need to be able to do a lot of that stuff.

Agreed.

Being "One dimensional" isn't always a bad thing. Gaudreau is insanely talented offensively. He may not be a two-way guy, but he's not a liability either.. I'd have no problem giving him 7-8m.

 

[Drew4u]

Too much money. He needs to have another great year to prove himself. He's one dimensional. Also, he should not be making senko money. Senko is a much better player. Id say 7 mill for 8 years is good.

 

[McFlyingV]

Flames management are a bunch of cavemen. Gaudreau is far and away their best player, and they are going to hold him hostage because they think he's too small? Honestly, is there something in the water up in Alberta that destroys basic judgement and critical thinking skills of hockey management?

I don't know what else Johnny has left to prove. It seems like its always something, they are never satisfied, will never admit that he actually is just that fantastic of a talent. He's more than proven his ability to dominate at the highest level despite his size, yet people still want to hold it against him.

Hilarious. Even his own management team doubts him. They are no better than the cohort of perpetually wrong haters on HF.

I didn't read the article, so I don't know if this is you speculating or if someone actually stated that management has concerns about his size. I don't think there's anything wrong with them trying to get him at a lower cap though as they're trying to build the best team possible which lower cap hits helps them do. At the end of the day though I think they'll cave and give him 7-7.5 if they can't get him to sign a long term deal at the price they want. Either that or they'll bridge him and likely get stuck paying his demands a few years from now which could easily be 8+ (similar to what happened with Subban).

I'd just pay him the 7.5-8 because if he ever wins anything like an art ross or heart trophy they will be stuck paying him Subban money if they want to keep him around.

 

[viper0220]

8 years at 8mill.... Do it flames

Sorry we don't have him as the GM(thank god)

 

[tony d]

He's a good talent but he's asking for a million or 2 too much. Can't see Calgary playing this. Got to wonder if he may get traded.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Deserves it, he's a beast.

Totally agree, Johnny hockey is a beast and a heck of a nice kid.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Monahan, Gio and Brodie are all better all round players today. Bennett, Hamilton, Kylington, and Tkachuk will all be better within 4 years.

Gaudreau is a great offensive player but he can not grind at all, can't PK, and shouldn't block shots. When Johnny is matched he does not perform as well.

Bolded is quite optimistic...

Please note that this is not the opinion of ALL Flames fans.

Flames management are a bunch of cavemen. Gaudreau is far and away their best player, and they are going to hold him hostage because they think he's too small? Honestly, is there something in the water up in Alberta that destroys basic judgement and critical thinking skills of hockey management personnel?

I don't know what else Johnny has left to prove. It seems like its always something, they are never satisfied, will never admit that he actually is just that fantastic of a talent. He's more than proven his ability to dominate at the highest level despite his size, yet people still want to hold it against him.

Hilarious. Even his own management team doubts him. They are no better than the cohort of perpetually wrong haters on HF.

Yes, because they are trying to get themselves in the best position they can Cap wise, they are cavemen and hate Johnny.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

He's a good talent but he's asking for a million or 2 too much. Can't see Calgary playing this. Got to wonder if he may get traded.

You think he's worth less than Monahan if he's worth 2 million less? Huberdeau just got 5.9 which is 2.1 less, and he's a far superior player to Huberdeau.

 

[viper0220]

Agreed.

Being "One dimensional" isn't always a bad thing. Gaudreau is insanely talented offensively. He may not be a two-way guy, but he's not a liability either.. I'd have no problem giving him 7-8m.

I don't think Johnny is one dimensional, he was the leading point scorer and was +4, on a team, that had huge goal differential.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

8 years at 8mill.... Do it flames

He's their franchise player, Might as well give him $8 million now then possibly $9.5 million to $10 million later.

 

[Backlund]

Flames management are a bunch of cavemen. Gaudreau is far and away their best player, and they are going to hold him hostage because they think he's too small? Honestly, is there something in the water up in Alberta that destroys basic judgement and critical thinking skills of hockey management personnel?

I don't know what else Johnny has left to prove. It seems like its always something, they are never satisfied, will never admit that he actually is just that fantastic of a talent. He's more than proven his ability to dominate at the highest level despite his size, yet people still want to hold it against him.

Hilarious. Even his own management team doubts him. They are no better than the cohort of perpetually wrong haters on HF.

lol I know you love Johnny and think he's the best player ever and everything but stop being ridiculous. I don't care how good the player is, you don't automatically just give them what they want in a contract. That's not how negotiations work.

 

[ffh]

That's just nonsense.

if gaudreau was 28 he would be asking for the same thing. 8x8

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

He's a good talent but he's asking for a million or 2 too much. Can't see Calgary playing this. Got to wonder if he may get traded.

That would put him in the Monahan deal, And Gaudreau is far better then Monahan. He should easily at least get somewhere in the neighborhood of $7.1 million to $7.5 million per long term at least. So $8 million for Johnny Hockey isn't a bad deal he's easily their franchise player right now.

 

[Mad Brills*]

Gaudreau is not going to walk under any circumstances

He'll be traded for 105 cents on the dollar.

 

[McFlyingV]

I don't think Johnny is one dimensional, he was the leading point scorer and was +4, on a team, that had huge goal differential.

It depends on your definition of one dimensional. He'll never be out there getting heavy defensive zone starts or trying to shut down the other teams top line like a guy like Bergeron or Kopitar does. He also won't be out there blocking shots and PKing, but he's definitely not a liability defensively either. I would classify that as a one-dimensional player who doesn't hurt you in other areas. The plus minus is indicative of that as he creates a lot offensively, and that outweighs what he gives up defensively.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

if gaudreau was 28 he would be asking for the same thing. 8x8

Not sure about that, If he keeps up his torrid scoring here. It wouldn't surprise me he doesn't ask for at least $9 million to $9.5 million per long term.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

He'll be traded for 105 cents on the dollar.

I remember when Detroit got Kris Draper for $1 dollar that had to be the biggest bargain of all time.

 

[SKRusty]

It depends on your definition of one dimensional. He'll never be out there getting heavy defensive zone starts or trying to shut down the other teams top line like a guy like Bergeron or Kopitar does. He also won't be out there blocking shots and PKing, but he's definitely not a liability defensively either. I would classify that as a one-dimensional player who doesn't hurt you in other areas. The plus minus is indicative of that as he creates a lot offensively, and that outweighs what he gives up defensively.

Nobody knows Johnny's talent level better than the Flames management.

If Johnny was in the same breath as McDavid, Crosby, Kane, or Toews this contract would have been done long ago.

Brad Treliving has made very few missed steps so why is everyone doubting him now?

 

[DJJones]

if gaudreau was 28 he would be asking for the same thing. 8x8

If he was 28 he'd be almost $9M.

He won't get 7.5M with 5 RFA years.

 

[McFlyingV]

Nobody knows Johnny's talent level better than the Flames management.

If Johnny was in the same breath as McDavid, Crosby, Kane, or Toews this contract would have been done long ago.

Brad Treliving has made very few missed steps so why is everyone doubting him now?

I never said he was as good as McDavid, Crosby, or Kane (Toews doesn't belong in that category imo). But 7-8M isn't the same range for those guys, and obviously I expect Gaudreau to sign a little under his ask. He's definitely in the same category as Tarasenko who got 7.5. When guys like Voracek are getting over 8M while feeding off Giroux (not best example due to UFA, but point still stands) then I don't think it would be bad value for the Flames to give Johnny 7-7.5M to carry around Monahan through his prime (hyperbole of course, I like Monahan, but he's not on JG's level).

Also to compare to Kane. Kane signed at 6.3M on a 5 year deal (eating 1 UFA year) which was 10.6% of the salary cap at that time. In the 3 years prior Kane finished 28th, 39th, and 9th in scoring. In the last 2 years JG finished 29th, and 6th in scoring. Obviously Kane did it at a younger age and they expected more growth so his contract reflected that, but if JG took 8 years at 7.5M he'd be eating 3 UFA years (I believe) and would be making 10.3% of the cap. I don't think that seems unreasonable at all.