Speculation: Gaudreau seeking $8M annually on new deal with Flames

[KevinRedkey]

wanna bet. mcjesus gets 12 min. for 8 years

Sure - what are we betting?

Under 12.000 = I win
12.000+ = You win

My guess:
Year 1: 7.000 (RFA)
Year 2: 8.000 (RFA)
Year 3: 9.000 (RFA)
Year 4: 10.000 (RFA)
Year 5: 11.000 (UFA)
Year 6: 12.000 (UFA)
Year 7: 13.000 (UFA)
Year 8: 14.000 (UFA)
Total: 84.000
CAP Hit: 10.500
RFA years (avg): 8.500
UFA years (avg): 12.500

 

[TOGuy14]

Nobody is giving a RFA 10m a season.

Why not?

Teams have previously given 6M (EDM - Hall, RNH, Eberle), 7.5M (STL- Tarasenko, FLA- Ekblad) and we are discussing 8M for Gaudreau

McDavid is clearly better than these guys so why is 10M crazy?

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

wanna bet. mcjesus gets 12 min. for 8 years

we will see....McDavid seems like a "team-first" guy so I'm willing to bet he gets 10.25 mil in order to "save" cap room to make the team better

 

[ManofSteel55]

You don't think the Players Association and Agents discuss contracts previous to sending them to the NHL office? If McDavid were to sign a deal for 1 mill a season he'd be a marked man. Every NHL team would use that salary in their negotiations with their players. It would drive salaries down while owners revenue would go up. It's the exact opposite of what the PA wants, their star players being paid market value.

They wouldn't need to do anything about it, the members would take it out on McDavid. The only players that would commend McDavid for taking a salary less than market value are those players locked into long-term contracts

The PA would whine and complain. Journalists would have a field day. Agents wouldn't care, if that mattered much, then how did Kane and Toews both get over 10 million when the best player on the planet signs for less than 9? 1 million is obviously an exagerration, but my point stands. The NHLPA has no authority over contracts. The team, the player, and the league do. The PA doesn't.

 

[snipes]

we will see....McDavid seems like a "team-first" guy so I'm willing to bet he gets 10.25 mil in order to "save" cap room to make the team better

He'll get a blank cheque to decide what he wants. It will be a very easy negotiation.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

If I offer 7.5 x 8 and he takes it I am excited!!

 

[McFlyingV]

Brad Treliving is about team first guys. Look at his contracts for Gio, Monahan, Brodie, Backlund. I would not be at all surprised to see Johnny moved for a names like Hall, Evander Kane, or Saad.

I would be very surprised if Johnny is moved, he's their best player. He is a team first guy, wanting to get paid fair market value if you're going to sign into UFA years doesn't mean that he isn't. Hall wouldn't be a bad swap for Gaudreau (aside from giving up potentially 8 years of control of Gaudreau if they lock him up at max term vs. 4 years control of Hall), but Evander Kane or Brandon Saad? Give me a break.

 

[Canovin]

Why not?

Teams have previously given 6M (EDM - Hall, RNH, Eberle), 7.5M (STL- Tarasenko, FLA- Ekblad) and we are discussing 8M for Gaudreau

McDavid is clearly better than these guys so why is 10M crazy?

Players get 10M when they actually won something. 3 cups is a damn good reason.

 

[Backlund]

Why not?

Teams have previously given 6M (EDM - Hall, RNH, Eberle), 7.5M (STL- Tarasenko, FLA- Ekblad) and we are discussing 8M for Gaudreau

McDavid is clearly better than these guys so why is 10M crazy?

They will trade Johnny before giving him 8M a year.

You don't give RFA's open market value.

 

[Mad Brills*]

Everyone always mentions the PA, yet time and time again we see players sign for less than HF expects. Seems like most players don't give a **** about these imaginary things that HF thinks the PA is pressuring players into doing.

If mcdavid signed for say 7.5 million, that's lunacy

 

[McFlyingV]

Why not?

Teams have previously given 6M (EDM - Hall, RNH, Eberle), 7.5M (STL- Tarasenko, FLA- Ekblad) and we are discussing 8M for Gaudreau

McDavid is clearly better than these guys so why is 10M crazy?

Crosby got 8.7 which was 15% of the cap at the time. If McDavid wins a heart and art ross in the next 2 years then I'm perfectly fine with him getting in the 10-12M range over 8 years.

 

[SKRusty]

I would be very surprised if Johnny is moved, he's their best player. He is a team first guy, wanting to get paid fair market value if you're going to sign into UFA years doesn't mean that he isn't. Hall wouldn't be a bad swap for Gaudreau (aside from giving up potentially 8 years of control of Gaudreau if they lock him up at max term vs. 4 years control of Hall), but Evander Kane or Brandon Saad? Give me a break.

Monahan, Gio and Brodie are all better all round players today. Bennett, Hamilton, Kylington, and Tkachuk will all be better within 4 years.

Gaudreau is a great offensive player but he can not grind at all, can't PK, and shouldn't block shots. When Johnny is matched he does not perform as well.

 

[CherryToke]

Worth it.

 

[McFlyingV]

If mcdavid signed for say 7.5 million, that's lunacy

I never suggested such a low number though lol. I expect him to sign anywhere between 8-12 depending on what he accomplishes the next 2 years. If he wins some art ross and heart trophies then I have no problem with him being the highest paid player in the league. If he doesn't though then it would be hard justifying giving him over 10.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

If I offer 7.5 x 8 and he takes it I am excited!!

That's the Tarasenko deal, Pretty sure that Gaudreau will get at least that much.

 

[SKRusty]

I never suggested such a low number though lol. I expect him to sign anywhere between 8-12 depending on what he accomplishes the next 2 years. If he wins some art ross and heart trophies then I have no problem with him being the highest paid player in the league. If he doesn't though then it would be hard justifying giving him over 10.

McDavid will likely sign for 8.5 -9.5 for the RFA years. If Edmonton continues to under perform McDavid will bolt early in his UFA years.

 

[McFlyingV]

Monahan, Gio and Brodie are all better all round players today. Bennett, Hamilton, Kylington, and Tkachuk will all be better within 4 years.

Gaudreau is a great offensive player but he can not grind at all, can't PK, and shouldn't block shots. When Johnny is matched he does not perform as well.

Yeah thats not true at all. Monahan feeds off of Gaudreau, and the fact that people still think that Monahan is a great 2-way player have not watched him the last 3 years and are just going off his draft reputation (he improved a bit in that area in the 2nd half last year, but still wasn't a very good 2-way player). Gaudreau is average defensively partially due to his lack of size and strength, but he reads the play well and is able to intercept passes and steal pucks off guys with his sneaky skating and ability to be in the right position. You could make an argument that Brodie is better, but he's nowhere near as dynamic and that would be solely based on positional value. Gio has slowed down and still isn't anything special on the defensive side of things, but I certainly won't try to argue that he's not a beast offensively.

Patrick Kane does none of those things you mentioned either and he's still one of the best players in the game. Gaudreau's offence is elite so he doesn't need to be able to do a lot of that stuff.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Players get 10M when they actually won something. 3 cups is a damn good reason.

Weber's contract pays him an average of 11.500 over the first 8 years of his contract, and that was signed 4 years ago. He hasn't won anything in the NHL.

 

[bleedgreen]

I don't think there's a lot of teams that would trade Calgary what this guy deserves to get in trade, and then sign him for 8x8. I'd be surprised.


Which is a strong reason to fight the good fight in not giving him that much cash.

 

[Rufus]

What are the chances the flames let him walk at that price? He's the best player they've had probably ever.

Gaudreau is not going to walk under any circumstances

 

[ffh]

Sure - what are we betting?

Under 12.000 = I win
12.000+ = You win

My guess:
Year 1: 7.000 (RFA)
Year 2: 8.000 (RFA)
Year 3: 9.000 (RFA)
Year 4: 10.000 (RFA)
Year 5: 11.000 (UFA)
Year 6: 12.000 (UFA)
Year 7: 13.000 (UFA)
Year 8: 14.000 (UFA)
Total: 84.000
CAP Hit: 10.500
RFA years (avg): 8.500
UFA years (avg): 12.500

There is no diffrence anymore between rfa and ufa.

 

[Canovin]

Weber's contract pays him an average of 11.500 over the first 8 years of his contract, and that was signed 4 years ago. He hasn't won anything in the NHL.

Weber hasn't won anything for that reason. Teams that sign players to absurd contracts will likely not win anything.

 

[DJJones]

There is no diffrence anymore between rfa and ufa.

That's just nonsense.

 

[McFlyingV]

The PA would whine and complain. Journalists would have a field day. Agents wouldn't care, if that mattered much, then how did Kane and Toews both get over 10 million when the best player on the planet signs for less than 9? 1 million is obviously an exagerration, but my point stands. The NHLPA has no authority over contracts. The team, the player, and the league do. The PA doesn't.

Lol exactly. I have no idea where HF got this belief that is portrayed as fact that the PA somehow controls every star player in the league and forces them to sign contracts on their terms.

 

[yababy]

If he's only asking for 8M I'm happy. I figured their asking price would be over that.

6.5
6.5
6.5
6.5
6.5
6.5
9.0
9.0

That's how I would structure it. Stay's below Gio and ends up at $7.125.

that's 6th year would be an UFA year - no chance it would be 6.5