Speculation: Gaudreau seeking $8M annually on new deal with Flames

[Seachd]

Don't smile to big. Your a lotto team and already tight with the cap and once McJesus hits a 2nd deal you will be the one dealing with the big pay day.

You mean someone who could be the best player in the league is going to make a lot of money?

Thanks for pointing that one out.

 

[Spazkat]

The Kopitar comment doesn't even make sense. At least choose someone comparable.

I'm pretty sure that was the point. Someone earlier in the thread was in fact using the Kopitar contract (as well as Kane/Toews/Benn) as justification for why Johnny Trademark was worth 8M now.

The thing is, the Flames are a business. If it doesn't suit them financially to pay out that much now, they don't have to. That's the point of having RFA's and the years w/o arbitration rights... so the teams don't have to fork over big $ 2 years in. Yes, they'd be buying some UFA years, but if he's really looking for 8+ now, its not like its some sort of bargain. What it boils down to is if the how big the difference between what hes asking for now and what they are looking to give him is and whether that is more or less than the difference between what hes asking for and what they would have to pay him once he's offer sheet/arb eligible. Money later always wins in finance decisions

 

[blankall]

Yeah and maybe Blake Wheeler wins the Hart this year, I mean he had about as good a year as Johny Hockey last year. If you have a good year then you definitely will be as good or better the next, that's how it works.

Blake Wheeler is 30 years old. He's most likely not going to get better. He had a season this year that was above average but not totally shocking in light of previous performances. I don't see what your point is or how Wheeler is a comparable.

Apples and oranges.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Yeah, I am a hater (such a cheesy saying) haha, more like a realist. His line was good for only THREE points in the first four games against the Ducks. Look how easy the ducks shut him down.

Good for you guys, if he is your best player in the playoffs. I would not want to depend on a kid who is 5ft9-155 lbs to carry my team in the playoffs. I will take a Kopitar, any day of the week over Johnny.

Cry about my argument all you want, I have endured Flames fans telling me how Johnny is one of the most durable players in the league, he is as good as McDavid, better than Hall, he is a superstar, he is Patty Kane 2.0 and his size does not matter (totally ignoring Physics). Enough already.

He is an offensive machine, and a smart player, yes. He is fun to watch for sure. I have already stated that, and am not denying it, but he is 5ft9 and 155-ish pounds. I personally would not want to depend on him, over someone like Hall.

If you guys think he is worth 7.5-8 so be it. If he is asking for more than 7.5 or more for 6-8 seasons, and he gets it, I will LOVE IT. I just don't know if it is worth the chance come playoff time, when the intensity is jacked up. That would be a massive loss, when you depend on him so much.

Yea, Anaheim really shut him down . .

 

[vannuckles]

This post just comes off like your salty that the Canucks don't have a player nearly as talented as Gaudreau in their system if I'm being honest.

You know teams win, is by scoring right? Gaudreau right now, is one of the top 10 best players in the world at generating offence and scoring chances. You are making your comments based on watching a 21 year old player in his rookie season. I remember a time when Datsyuk and Zetterberg were constantly being criticized for not producing in the playoffs. Well they got over that hump eventually and made the critics look foolish. Gaudreau still produced in the playoffs so your argument is laughable. I am more than happy to build my offence around a player that can control the puck like Crosby in the offensive zone.

If you could not tell, I like more physical players (note my fave player no22), and I am most certainly NOT jealous of your team, and little johnny. You yourself, are one of the biggest Johnny homers on HF Boards, from what I have read. I love some of the youngsters we have coming up in our system, players like Groot, and Virtanen, are who get me excited. Little Johnny, was not effective against the Ducks a MUCH heavier team than the Nucks were (that team was soft as baby turds). Like I said before (that you are ignoring) his line combined for 3 POINTS in the first four games against the Ducks. Not so good offensively, when bigger players physically nullify him. Now he is as good as Crosby...wow.
I posted this before : https://www.nhl.com/news/patrick-kane-is-nhl-networks-top-player-in-league/c-281535362 so lets see where the NHL figure he is rated (I figured he may sit in the 40s). I have made my judgment, on what I have seen Johnny do so far.

If you think he is worth 8 mill, I think you are delusional. He has not proven anything to say he is on par with any of the superstars in the league. I will give him the credit after he has a deep playoff run, or cleaned house with awards, until then, he is a great small player to me, not yet a superstar.

 

[vannuckles]

Yea, Anaheim really shut him down . .

His line had 3 points in the first four playoff games.....you don't call that shutting him down......ok.

 

[Club]

a little over 7 mil I think hes worth

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

Anybody bring up Crosby vs Bruins yet? Not scoring a lot in playoffs happens. Ducks were miles ahead of the Flames.

 

[vannuckles]

Anyone remember Crosby's first playoff performance or do people's memory not extend that far?

The good thing about Calgary is it's looking like we won't have 1 single person "carrying" us to playoffs. We're becoming pretty good down the middle and on the wings now too.

I wonder how they'd view Gaudreau if he was on the Canucks dragging them along

Another Crosby comparison

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

If you could not tell, I like more physical players (note my fave player no22), and I am most certainly NOT jealous of your team, and little johnny. You yourself, are one of the biggest Johnny homers on HF Boards, from what I have read. I love some of the youngsters we have coming up in our system, players like Groot, and Virtanen, are who get me excited. Little Johnny, was not effective against the Ducks a MUCH heavier team than the Nucks were (that team was soft as baby turds). Like I said before (that you are ignoring) his line combined for 3 POINTS in the first four games against the Ducks. Not so good offensively, when bigger players physically nullify him. Now he is as good as Crosby...wow.
I posted this before : https://www.nhl.com/news/patrick-kane-is-nhl-networks-top-player-in-league/c-281535362 so lets see where the NHL figure he is rated (I figured he may sit in the 40s). I have made my judgment, on what I have seen Johnny do so far.

If you think he is worth 8 mill, I think you are delusional. He has not proven anything to say he is on par with any of the superstars in the league. I will give him the credit after he has a deep playoff run, or cleaned house with awards, until then, he is a great small player to me, not yet a superstar.

You do sound salty, and I called you out for it. I've been excited over Gaudreau for a long time. Call me a homer if it makes you feel better, Johnny continually proves doubters wrong over and over by putting up points and delivering at key moments when the game is on the line.

Your biggest criticism is that he didn't have an amazing playoffs "in his rookie year". Let me ask, what did you expect of a 21 year old rookie playing against one of the most physical teams. If I'm a homer, then it's fair for me to call you salty

It's the same thing with Gaudreau not scoring as much on the road this year. I'll be the first to admit that tougher matchups affected his production. I'm also not so short sighted to think that he's done developing in his second season. Those who have really followed Gaudreau rave about him because they know how special he is.

I have never once claimed that he's as good as Crosby, however the way he holds onto the puck and controls the offence in the offensive zone is very similar. He's very hard to get the puck off of, he skates down and cycles back around the circles watching the play develop, when he finds a soft spot he delivers the puck to a teammate for a high percentage scoring chance with the precision of a surgeon. He's a spectacular talent, plain and simple.

Anyways best of luck, hopefully for you we sign Johnny for big money and for a lot of years, since he can't play in the playoffs.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

How many years until JG is a UFA? I would think any bridge deal would go up until one year prior to UFA status so the Flames can have the opportunity to offer a long term deal at that time, no?

My point is that Gaudreau may not want a bridge deal, so saying sign him for 3 years and then still have a measure of control over him as an RFA might not be plausible. Getting Gaudreau signed to a 3 year deal would be a tremendously team friendly move, which is why if it was an option I think it might have been done by now.

By going with a shorter term deal, Gaudreau would be giving up a lot of security since short of a buyout contracts are guaranteed, so the Flames would have to give him something in return to entice him to leave money and term on the table. This is why I suggest a solution could be a 4 year deal. The Flames get Gaudreau signed for something in the 6.5-7 range and don't upset their salary structure, Gaudreau gives up ZERO UFA years which benefits him by getting him to free agency sooner where if he pans out, he will probably be able to command more than 8 million per.

Someone has to eventually blink, and short of a trade, if Calgary aren't going long term at Gaudreau's asking price a deal taking him right to free agency seems like a logical solution. It would get Calgary 3 more years of an elite player, and give them a window where they could either extend or trade him for assets before the final year of his contract.

There are also other factors here. Gaudreau could be willing to settle for less and this could be a negotiating tactic. Or Gaudreau could be willing to sign for less with the right team as a free agent. Not saying either is the case but without proper context, Gaudreau asking for 8M could mean a lot of things.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

His line had 3 points in the first four playoff games.....you don't call that shutting him down......ok.

Well he had 3 points in the final 3 playoff games. I don't call that shutting him down.

Don't know what his linemates production has to do with shutting him down. It's well documented how poor Hudler and Monahan were playing.

 

[InfinityIggy]

Well he had 3 points in the final 3 playoff games. I don't call that shutting him down.

Don't know what his linemates production has to do with shutting him down. It's well documented how poor Hudler and Monahan were playing.

They were also both playing hurt. Hudler admitted as much after the playoffs and its known Monahan was suffering an elbow issue.

 

[vannuckles]

You do sound salty, and I called you out for it. I've been excited over Gaudreau for a long time. Call me a homer if it makes you feel better, Johnny continually proves doubters wrong over and over by putting up points and delivering at key moments when the game is on the line.

Your biggest criticism is that he didn't have an amazing playoffs "in his rookie year". Let me ask, what did you expect of a 21 year old rookie playing against one of the most physical teams. If I'm a homer, then it's fair for me to call you salty

It's the same thing with Gaudreau not scoring as much on the road this year. I'll be the first to admit that tougher matchups affected his production. I'm also not so short sighted to think that he's done developing in his second season. Those who have really followed Gaudreau rave about him because they know how special he is.

I have never once claimed that he's as good as Crosby, however the way he holds onto the puck and controls the offence in the offensive zone is very similar. He's very hard to get the puck off of, he skates down and cycles back around the circles watching the play develop, when he finds a soft spot he delivers the puck to a teammate for a high percentage scoring chance with the precision of a surgeon. He's a spectacular talent, plain and simple.

Anyways best of luck, hopefully for you we sign Johnny for big money and for a lot of years, since he can't play in the playoffs.

I agree, hopefully you guys do throw 8+ mill for long term As far as salty goes....I love that you think I care about Johnny enough to be salty (another stupid saying). He has never done anything to me, to make me salty. Calling me out for it haha Like I am calling you out for being such a die hard homer.

Good luck next season Hoxville, I am looking forward to the Canucks Flames games.

 

[vannuckles]

They were also both playing hurt. Hudler admitted as much after the playoffs and its known Monahan was suffering an elbow issue.

Exactly my point about not having big durable players.

The reason I have durability issues, is because of how bad injuries plagued my team the last couple of seasons.

 

[vannuckles]

Well he had 3 points in the final 3 playoff games. I don't call that shutting him down.

Don't know what his linemates production has to do with shutting him down. It's well documented how poor Hudler and Monahan were playing.

3 points in the final three playoff games, warrants him being a superstar...There are plenty players who put up more points than that in the playoffs, that are not superstars, or getting 8 mill a season.

Bonino put up 18 points in 24 playoff games ffs.

 

[heretik27]

3 points in the final three playoff games, warrants him being a superstar...There are plenty players who put up more points than that in the playoffs, that are not superstars, or getting 8 mill a season.

Bonino put up 18 points in 24 playoff games ffs.

Does that mean Colin Wilson and Nick Bonino are better than Gaudreau then?

 

[ThatSaid]

He's worth every penny of 8 million. I wouldn't expect him to budge much, but you can't blame the Flames for trying to talk him down a bit.

If he wants to stand firm at 8 million, he'll get it easily.

 

[CraigsList]

This is exactly like the Giordano negotiations. I think Gaudreau wants to stay, he only wants to get paid better if he is signing a 7, 8 year contract. I am thinking he goes 7.5m x 8 years. We'll lock him up.

 

[vannuckles]

Does that mean Colin Wilson and Nick Bonino are better than Gaudreau then?

Not even close, I am just showing that 3 points in three games is nothing crazy for a player (first liner) who might be asking for 8 mill a season.

 

[soliak]

Not even close, I am just showing that 3 points in three games is nothing crazy for a player (first liner) who might be asking for 8 mill a season.

You are coming across as pretty salty to be honest. I get it though, it would be horrible being a Canucks fan and watching the two rival teams from Alberta getting stacked with young talent.

 

[InfinityIggy]

Exactly my point about not having big durable players.

The reason I have durability issues, is because of how bad injuries plagued my team the last couple of seasons.

Your 'point' was that Gaudreau was somehow not durable. How does Monahan and Hudler being injured change that?

 

[vannuckles]

You are coming across as pretty salty to be honest. I get it though, it would be horrible being a Canucks fan and watching the two rival teams from Alberta getting stacked with young talent.

Oilers have FAR more upside than Calgary in my opinion. Calgary is hardly stacked man. I still like Vancouver's chances against the Flames moving forward. We have a decent group of youngsters, that I am not too worried about. You guys took Shink (who I liked) who could not crack Vancouver, Vey (who I despised), and Gulutzen from us, have fun with that. On the flip side, you guys dumped that tool Wisebroad on us, who is responsible for some BS
If you think I am salty about your youngsters (that we did not want or really need), you are wrong. I will refrain from bashing the Flames until the end of the season

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Your 'point' was that Gaudreau was somehow not durable. How does Monahan and Hudler being injured change that?

There's a stigma about smaller players and them getting hurt easier. Why did Gaudreau never get in the NCAA? In fact I don't recall him missing anytime due to injury. Big players get hurt all the time, Lindros being the prime example. Cam Neely is another guy who played a physical game and had his career cut short due to playng style, his size didn't help him unfortunately. I'd even go so far as to say Gaudreau might be less prone to injury because he's less involved in the physical aspect of hockey. With the advancements in concussions, we've seen stars like Crosby and Bergeron rebound after suffering from severe recurring ones. The fact that Gaudreau has virtually no injury history should logically suggest that he's a durable player.

 

[vannuckles]

Your 'point' was that Gaudreau was somehow not durable. How does Monahan and Hudler being injured change that?

What my point is, was your first line had three points in the first four games against a heavy team in the Ducks. He was nullified to an extent, by the Ducks. In the playoffs, if a first line only generates 3 points in four games, there is a problem. What changes in another playoff game, with two of the same players on the first line...