Speculation: Gaudreau seeking $8M annually on new deal with Flames

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

I'm an Oiler fan but I think he's worth 8m if they can secure maximum UFA seasons. He's a great player and the cap should rebound.

 

[Johnnybegood13]

He is NOT worth of 8 million. He is a bad version of Pat Kane who scores only at home games and haven't shown anything against tougher opposition. Give him 5 or sell him!

Ask tougher teams like LA,Boston or Anaheim if he shows anything.

Haters just hate I guess.

 

[smackdaddy]

Contracts are a different breed nowadays. Players want to get paid like they're superstars before they're superstars.

The bridge is dead.

 

[FlamerForLife]

They had to pull him for an entire third period against the Ducks in the playoffs, because the physicality picked up. I think come post season he will have a lot harder of a time coming out unscathed. He is shifty, and yes, he is a smart player, but all it takes is one time. During the series I was able to see how easily the Ducks physically nullified him.

The fact that it was a 4-0 game entering the 3rd period, and how it turned 6-0 within 2 and a half minutes into the 3rd probably played a factor into it. I guarantee if the game was a 2-1 or 3-2 game, Johnny would not have been benched.

This is also the only thing you bring up for your argument towards how Gaudreau is small and isn't made for playoff hockey, and as a rookie he was our best offensive player in the playoffs. I guess haters just gonna hate.

 

[heretik27]

Nash signed his contract when he was still with CBJ and was still considered one of the best players around (when healthy) and won the Richard trophy. Columbus was hoping that he would get healthy again and be their leader and they needed star power to attract the other pieces they need to build a contender.

Stamkos only recieved a 1M raise from what he made on his last contract. He won the Richard trophy twice before signing his current contract. While he has suffered from some severe injuries in the past he has put up consistent numbers throughout his entire NHL career.

Gaudreau has been impressive in his first 2 full NHL season, but that is such a small sample size to justify a 10x jump in salary. He may yet earn that much money in his NHL career, but it shouldn't be on his 1st contract passed his entry level deal. He is not Crosby or Ovechkin.

Stamkos hasn't been anywhere near as good as he was pre-injury to justify that pay raise. Not to mention MSL is gone now too, so they better hope someone on that team gels with him.

 

[Johnnybegood13]

Contracts are a different breed nowadays. Players want to get paid like they're superstars before they're superstars.

The bridge is dead.

Yup. and your buddy Lowe helped start that trend.

 

[Spazkat]

I'd like to see him re-sign in Calgary as well, but why on earth does anyone think he should be making less than players like Stamkos (8.5M AAV) or Rick Nash (7.8M AAV)?

Toews 10.5M AAV
Kane 10.5M AAV
Benn 9.5M AAV
Malkin 9.5M AAV
Crosby 8.7M AAV
Perry 8.625M AAV
Giroux 8.275M AAV
Voracek 8.25M AAV
Getzlaf 8.25M AAV
Kessel 8M AAV
Tarasenko 7.5M AAV
O'Rielly 7.5M AAV
Spezza 7.5M AAV
Parise 7.5M AAV
Krejci 7.25M AAV
Thornton 7M AAV
Sedins 7M AAV
Stastny 7M AAV

Why are you using UFA contracts as examples for an RFA that doesn't even have arbitration rights? None of those players are comparables.

 

[Connor]

Yup. and your buddy Lowe helped start that trend.

Maybe if Brad Treliving signed Gaudreau to an extension at the end of 2015 the Flames wouldn't be in the pickle they're in

 

[yababy]

Why are you using UFA contracts as examples for an RFA that doesn't even have arbitration rights? None of those players are comparables.

Why not use 6M player Hall, Monahan, MacKinnon
Eberle etc?
Most of that list you provided are overpriced.
No way Gaudreau is close to Stamkos, Benn, Tarasenko

 

[Connor]

I think he may want to be traded.

At the very least it doesn't seem he wants to do the Flames any favours.

 

[Mr Positive]

I think he may want to be traded.

At the very least it doesn't seem he wants to do the Flames any favours.

that's assuming a lot. For all we know, Calgary is just chiseling him as much as possible and Gaudreau has the reasonable demand

 

[Connor]

that's assuming a lot. For all we know, Calgary is just chiseling him as much as possible and Gaudreau has the reasonable demand

I heard on Calgary radio that Gaudreau's camp actually wants 8.5 per.

 

[Johnnybegood13]

Maybe if Brad Treliving signed Gaudreau to an extension at the end of 2015 the Flames wouldn't be in the pickle they're in

He didn't for the same reason Draisaitl hasn't signed his extension yet.

 

[spader]

He is NOT worth of 8 million. He is a bad version of Pat Kane who scores only at home games and haven't shown anything against tougher opposition. Give him 5 or sell him!

Nice flame job. If what you say is true, he's worth a lot more than $8M. When's the last time there was a player putting up 79 points in 41 games? If he only produces at home, this guy is generational!

 

[heretik27]

Why not use 6M player Hall, Monahan, MacKinnon
Eberle etc?
Most of that list you provided are overpriced.
No way Gaudreau is close to Stamkos, Benn, Tarasenko

I understand he's RFA, but at 23 he's a top 10 offensive producer. It's not like he needs to spend another 2 years on a bridge deal to somehow "prove" he can reach his potential when he's already there and anything he does better is icing on the cake. What more do you really expect from the guy?

 

[spader]

I heard on Calgary radio that Gaudreau's camp actually wants 8.5 per.

An "ask" is very different from a "want." I'm certain they're highballing.

 

[Volica]

I understand he's RFA, but at 23 he's a top 10 offensive producer. It's not like he needs to spend another 2 years on a bridge deal to somehow "prove" he can reach his potential when he's already there and anything he does better is icing on the cake. What more do you really expect from the guy?

Oddly enough, I could see him near 90 this season he'll actually have a finisher RW and a system in front of him.

If Calgary gets him at 7-7.25 X 7, we're talking about a bargain bin contract by year 3 if he keeps progressing.

 

[McShogun99]

He'll probably end up settling for 7.5 for 7 seasons. As an Oiler fan he's one of the few Flames that I've liked during their history.

 

[me2]

I realize its easy to say this when it's not my money, but you would think some players would be more keen on taking discount deals so the team can spend cap money elsewhere.

A lot do. Plenty of them get screwed over by being traded at some point. Gaudreau is not going to get a NTC.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Contracts are a different breed nowadays. Players want to get paid like they're superstars before they're superstars.

The bridge is dead.

Completely disagree. We see LOADS of bridge and show me deals. Tarasenko, the one person who gets brought up as a comparable to Gaudreau didn't get a long term deal right off of his ELC.

Players like MacKinnon, Monahan, Karlsson, Ekblad, Tavares, etc, etc, etc who get these 6-8 year deals are usually high end or at the very least fringe first line/top pairing players at the time of the signing. Although there have been cases where teams have pushed for bridges and have had to relent, for the most part teams lock young star players down to these deals because it is mutually beneficial. The players get security and the teams get the player cost controlled without having to worry about arbitration, offer sheets, and eventually unrestricted free agency which can be brought about sooner through arbitration. Players get security, teams get control.

When unproven players or players with limited resumes get long term deals, it is usually a case where a team believes so strongly in the player and see an opportunity to get them locked down and something so far below what they'll have to pay if they give the player an opportunity to raise their value with a 1-3 year bridge deal. So it isn't like these unproven players have this leverage to get a 5-8 year deal out of the gate, it is that the team pre-emptively locks them up to a cap hit much lower than what they'd otherwise have to pay once the player proves themselves (see Hamonic as an example).

I think over the next few years we're going to see teams becoming more selective about these deals with the cap stagnating and cap hits deflating over long term deals no longer becoming a huge benefit of locking down stars young, but that is an entirely different discussion topic. But with star players like a Nathan MacKinnon or Sean Monahan, there'll always be a huge benefit for a team to have him locked down at 6M for the next 7 years and not have to worry about arbitration or unrestricted free agency.

 

[spader]

A lot do. Plenty of them get screwed over by being traded at some point. Gaudreau is not going to get a NTC.

Sure he will. It just won't kick in for a few years.

 

[Connor]

He didn't for the same reason Draisaitl hasn't signed his extension yet.

Difference is Draisaitl will be locked up well before September, probably before July 1st. Oilers take care of their players

 

[SenzZen]

Difference is Draisaitl will be locked up well before September, probably before July 1st. Oilers take care of their players

It is known.

 

[Johnnybegood13]

Tarasenko, the one person who gets brought up as a comparable to Gaudreau didn't get a long term deal right off of his ELC.

Am I missing something? as far I know Tarasenko signed an 8 year $60 million contract right after the 3rd year of his ELC.

 

[snipes]

Gaudreau makes the Battle of Alberta better. He's an electric player, fun to watch live.