Speculation: Gaudreau seeking $8M annually on new deal with Flames -- Pt. 2
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A1LeafNation
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I love how Gaudreau is compared to the best in the league...except when it come to re-signing him. Lol
izzy
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That he can consistently produce at a near PPG rate and be worth that kind of money
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What're you talking about?
And for everyone saying 3-5 year deals, if that happens, he's not getting 7mil, bank on it, the shorter the term, the smaller the AAV in this situation. Only way he's getting 7 is if it's 7 years.
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I know. I have been saying this for years. And its not just the flames fans saying this either. All teams fans do this with their stars.
Flames fans : Oh GOD , Johnny Hockey is the GREATEST EVER, I want to name my kids after him.
Come contract time....
Flames fans : Hes NUTS if he wants anything over 6.75 mil. No way Trev offers anything more .....
Johnny Hoxville
The Return of a Legend
I know. I have been saying this for years. And its not just the flames fans saying this either. All teams fans do this with their stars.
Flames fans : Oh GOD , Johnny Hockey is the GREATEST EVER, I want to name my kids after him.
Come contract time....
Flames fans : Hes NUTS if he wants anything over 6.75 mil. No way Trev offers anything more .....
Most fans on our board are fairly realistic that he will get near, or over 7 million per. Some don't think he should because he has little rights, but few deny he's worth that amount of money.
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I know. I have been saying this for years. And its not just the flames fans saying this either. All teams fans do this with their stars.
Flames fans : Oh GOD , Johnny Hockey is the GREATEST EVER, I want to name my kids after him.
Come contract time....
Flames fans : Hes NUTS if he wants anything over 6.75 mil. No way Trev offers anything more .....
Show me a Flames fan, well more than one, that has balked at anything under 7.5. And aside from two or three homers, we know he isn't the best in the league. He has potential to be, and is as of currently a top ten scorer.
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I know. I have been saying this for years. And its not just the flames fans saying this either. All teams fans do this with their stars.
Flames fans : Oh GOD , Johnny Hockey is the GREATEST EVER, I want to name my kids after him.
Come contract time....
Flames fans : Hes NUTS if he wants anything over 6.75 mil. No way Trev offers anything more .....
Actually, from a business standpoint, I would say Johnny Gaudreau is easily worth $8 million or more by virtue of his talent, production potential, marketability, local popularity, merchandise sales and his entertaining style of play. But at the end of the day, to me, the biggest reason why this stalemate hasn't been resolved yet is mostly because of politics.
Johnny Gaudreau is not really an RFA but is looking to be paid like one, which I personally don't blame him. Problem is, he has no arbitration rights or offer sheet eligibility like other RFAs which drastically reduces any leverage his side has. His party may choose to be stubborn and look to hold out, but in a market where he can't realistically get $8 Million anywhere else, he may have no other options but to sign what Treliving is asking.
Therein lies the rub, Brad Treliving owns all the leverage in this situation and it appears he's decided to take full advantage of it. Johnny Gaudreau may be worth Tarasenko money or arguably even more, but he won't get it because he doesn't have any negotiating leverage. His agent may try to throw that card out the window, but without the threat of an offer sheet or arbitration, I don't see any chance he gets his $8 million. If the season starts without him and he starts missing out on those astronomical paycheques, I see his side folding and fast
I know. I have been saying this for years. And its not just the flames fans saying this either. All teams fans do this with their stars.
Flames fans : Oh GOD , Johnny Hockey is the GREATEST EVER, I want to name my kids after him.
Come contract time....
Flames fans : Hes NUTS if he wants anything over 6.75 mil. No way Trev offers anything more .....
You guys are totally forgetting one thing - his RFA status. He - unlike the vast majority of RFAs - is not eligible for arbitration of offer sheets. I believe I read that anything over 6.4 AAV would be unprecedented. Now, of course it all depends on how many UFA years the Flames are going to buy in this contract, but this will be the richest contract in Flames' history and also an precedent-setting contract in light of the aforementioned situation.
Think of it this way:
Gaudreau = 'this good' - do you pay Gaudreau the same if he was:
A) UFA
B) Restricted Free Agent with Arb. rights + Offer-sheet eligible
C) RFA with no Arb rights and no OS.
His points, ceiling, potential, what he has proved - they are all factors in the process, but the big sticking point is 'C'.
I think most people here would deem an 8 million dollar, long-term contract for Johnny's services 'fair' for what he provides, though it carries some risk of course. But this is not a 30 team frenzy. It is one team that he can negotiate with and one team only, and the Flames seem to be prepared to offer him a precedent-setting contract, though they are hoping to keep it as low as possible.
Probably not the richest in team history if you go by percentage of cap even if he gets 8 mill AAV.
KrisLetAngry
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Honestly he signs let's say one year 2 million then next year with arbitrary rights wants his pay. What now?
glovesave_35
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Seems like the main leverage he does have is sitting out. I don't think missing paychecks in the short run will make them fold and take whatever they can get. Seems like Calgary would be missing his production a ton during those missed games. Both stand to lose out by him missing games.
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I have been saying this for a while now, it's easy to say a player will sit out and wait for the team to cave but unless separation of offer and want is astronomical it's simply not worth it.
Typically players get 13 paychecks a season paid on the 1st and 15th of the month, at $7m that's about 540k a check, miss 6 weeks and you're out over $1.6m that you'll never get back because history shows a team never caves to players that miss time.
Yeah but if Gaudreau sits for even 10 games the Flames could wind up in a hole that would be really tough to dig out of - especially with their current roster. The Calgary roster is improving but they probably wouldn't want Johnny out of the equation for too long.
PK.
He held out for what? 2 weeks when he was an RFA.
Wouldn't shock me if gaudreau misses 3-5 games this year.
He held out for what? 2 weeks when he was an RFA.
Wouldn't shock me if gaudreau misses 3-5 games this year.
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I don't see Treliving muddying the relationship by holding out during the regular season. If it's true Gaudreau can't wait to play in the East, you can't dig your heels in this contract and piss him off. You show him respect this go round, pay him a little more than you're prepared to ($7.5m-ish) and hope he's happy enough to stick around for another contract down the road.
Obviously that can't be the primary intention during these negotiations, but it's an important factor to keep in mind. Last thing you want is your best player not happy with playing for your team and asking for a trade 2 years into a new contract.
Obviously that can't be the primary intention during these negotiations, but it's an important factor to keep in mind. Last thing you want is your best player not happy with playing for your team and asking for a trade 2 years into a new contract.
I agree. Just saying he might miss a few games (1-2) simply due to not playing with his teammates.
Screw that, if Treliving thinks Johnny wants to leave after this contract nickel and dime him hard and make sure his contract is tradeable.
Why would you cave?
You guys need to take a negotiations course haha
Johnny is ridiculous, either take a cut and prove you're worth that much or have fun not playing hockey for the next couple years.
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