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JG probably looks at his leverage as not being in the line up, which is almost as big a problem for Calgary as an offer sheet is think
Speculation: Gaudreau seeking $8M annually on new deal with Flames -- Pt. 2
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JG probably looks at his leverage as not being in the line up, which is almost as big a problem for Calgary as an offer sheet is think
tyflames
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This. If they start the season without him it most likely results in early season losses where the points are easier to come by.
Depends on how they do without him. If they manage to string together some wins and are looking ok, then he might have to accept a deal more favorable to the team. Likely it'll still be shorter term then they want.
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It's a two-way street. Gaudreau hates to lose, and he hates to sit out games where he can help the team. If he elects to sit out of the lineup, it will hurt him and it will hurt the team. The team can weather his loss, with Monahan, Backlund, Bennett we have centre depth, with Giordano, Brodie, Hamilton, Jokipakka, Wideman, we have defensive depth, with Elliott/Johnson, we have strong goaltending. I don't know how well Gaudreau weather the whole "sitting out" bit. Even when we beat out the Leafs with Jonas Hiller in net and Gaudreau/Monahan were scratched - he was miserable.
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Neither. It's more of them not trying to set a precedent with signing a guy who really has no bargaining power aside from setting out to an 8 million dollar deal. Treliving is playing hard ball with him because he knows that he doesn't have this type of leverage often. Basically, it will let future guys in similar situations know that they can't hold out for huge paydays, as there are always those guys who want to be paid huge before they really earn it, unlike Gaudreau who has earned his money.
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Close but I pass as a Flyers fan.
Love Gaudreau but Jake is 1 season removed from an 80 point season and Sanheim has top-pairing PMD potential. Sure, we have other guys to fill that role in Ghost and Provorov, but Calgary is still getting more value back. Especially when you factor in Gaudreau's home/away splits and how that can become a factor in a playoff series that you don't have home ice advantage in.
In a vacuum, he probably does deserve 8M per, but with that being said, the flames still gotta think long term.
Bennett will need a contract soon. Even if he signs a 2-3 year bridge, he'll still be up for a big raise when we're paying Jonny.
Brodie will also be getting a big raise in a few years after taking a discount. Both those guys will potentially be 6M players in a few years.
Then the flames still have Gio, Monny and Hamilton on the books.
So yeah, "pay the man his money" is simple to say when you're not projecting and managing cap space for the next 5-7 years.
Bennett will need a contract soon. Even if he signs a 2-3 year bridge, he'll still be up for a big raise when we're paying Jonny.
Brodie will also be getting a big raise in a few years after taking a discount. Both those guys will potentially be 6M players in a few years.
Then the flames still have Gio, Monny and Hamilton on the books.
So yeah, "pay the man his money" is simple to say when you're not projecting and managing cap space for the next 5-7 years.
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I really think this contract is going to have a dramatic effect on team building across the NHL. If JG gets 7m or 8m that he is asking for it's not just going to send waves through the Flames organization but it's going to establish a precedence for contracts of young players going forward.
Today there exists the current practice building contenders through the draft mainly because signing FAs is expensive and it's hard to build competitive teams without solid contributions throughout the lineup. Young impact players on cheap contracts always gave these contending teams an edge. What's going to happen now that young players are going to be getting contracts that equal those of older equally talented/more experienced players. Well it's likely that the FA talent pool will increase because even more teams can't afford to keep all their midtier and high end players. Parity will increase and building contending teams may almost be entirely through FA signings and no longer by strong asset management(Trades + Drafting).
Today there exists the current practice building contenders through the draft mainly because signing FAs is expensive and it's hard to build competitive teams without solid contributions throughout the lineup. Young impact players on cheap contracts always gave these contending teams an edge. What's going to happen now that young players are going to be getting contracts that equal those of older equally talented/more experienced players. Well it's likely that the FA talent pool will increase because even more teams can't afford to keep all their midtier and high end players. Parity will increase and building contending teams may almost be entirely through FA signings and no longer by strong asset management(Trades + Drafting).
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Ye but then he takes a one year deal let's say 2 million.
Gets 70 points and has rights. And asks for a huge sum like 9 million. Then asks for 8 million again long term
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20,000 posts in 4 years and you don't know when hockey players are eligible for UFA status.
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It's a two-way street, when he misses a rather large check that he can never get back he won't want to miss another.
If you think he'd forego millions of dollars in extra income, which is the cumulative value of the difference between a 6.5M AAV and even a 7M AAV, because he couldn't bear to watch the Flames lose a couple of games on TV, you're wrong.
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Think the Flames are gonna have to cave on this.
If Gaudreau misses even 4-5 games needlessly that could basically cost them a shot at a playoff berth very potentially given how tight the West is. 4-5 points is all that it takes to tip things in one direction or another.
If Gaudreau misses even 4-5 games needlessly that could basically cost them a shot at a playoff berth very potentially given how tight the West is. 4-5 points is all that it takes to tip things in one direction or another.
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Unless he changes his mind on term so he can get out of Calgary as fast as he can instead of going longterm. Sign that subban deal and go to arbitration.
Flames might want term but I can't see them letting him sit the whole year. Would be hilarious if he said eff it and went to Europe for a couple years tho
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I'm just amazed the amount of attention(mostly doom & gloom attention) the Flames/Gaudreau are getting over this, 1200 replies to this thread so far with 90% coming from fans of other teams(mostly Oiler fans)
It's like a wishful obsession that he pulls a Trouba and demands a trade or sits out the year and screws the flames.
What a shift from 2 years ago when 99% of you fine fans said he would never amount to anything in the NHL and now you're scared sh!!less of him.
It's like a wishful obsession that he pulls a Trouba and demands a trade or sits out the year and screws the flames.
What a shift from 2 years ago when 99% of you fine fans said he would never amount to anything in the NHL and now you're scared sh!!less of him.
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I'm just amazed the amount of attention(mostly doom & gloom attention) the Flames/Gaudreau are getting over this, 1200 replies to this thread so far with 90% coming from fans of other teams(mostly Oiler fans)
It's like a wishful obsession that he pulls a Trouba and demands a trade or sits out the year and screws the flames.
What a shift from 2 years ago when 99% of you fine fans said he would never amount to anything in the NHL and now you're scared sh!!less of him.
Not scared of him hahah I just want the deal to be done already. And we get enough flak about mcdavid so it's fun having the tables turned for a moment.
But really I want kucherov and lindholm deals to hurry up too. If this one takes longer it's better for me just cuz I don't have johney hockey on my fantasy team.
Plus you know we are somewhat rivals and having the flames screw up relations with your best player would be pretty funny
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I'm just amazed the amount of attention(mostly doom & gloom attention) the Flames/Gaudreau are getting over this, 1200 replies to this thread so far with 90% coming from fans of other teams(mostly Oiler fans)
It's like a wishful obsession that he pulls a Trouba and demands a trade or sits out the year and screws the flames.
What a shift from 2 years ago when 99% of you fine fans said he would never amount to anything in the NHL and now you're scared sh!!less of him.
We all know flames fans stay out of all oiler and rivals threads too and throw no jabs ever.
Get off your pedestal bud
King In The North
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But you know what's really funny? That's not how you screw up relations. How you screw up relations is when you give JH a blank cheque but try to do negotiations with every other player.
You don't want Sam Bennett coming in saying "Well you let JH have what he wants why can't I get what I want?"
As Friedman suggested, a deal will be done this week, and all of this won't be talked about again anyway.
Well we don't really know that yet and do you really think Bennett is gonna toss Monahan from top spot and then outproduce Gaudreau? If he does that's a good problem to have. If he takes 8 year term for less than 7 mill a year I'll be impressed by the negotiations and say this was worth it.
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