This year is different. I hate Snow. I am against trading any assets for rentals if JT is still undecided. In fact, if JT remains undecided, I would move him and Bailey.
We could have 4 first round picks this draft.
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This year is different. I hate Snow. I am against trading any assets for rentals if JT is still undecided. In fact, if JT remains undecided, I would move him and Bailey.
We could have 4 first round picks this draft.
I am not a snow apologist. I want him gone, but the asking prices for just even mediocre level talent is absurd. I don't see much being done in terms of big names based off the rumored asking prices.
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He had a plan to sign Smyth and Hannan. He had a plan with Vanek. He had a plan to replace outgoing ufas with Ladd and, god forbid, Chimera. He had a plan to flip picks for Duchene. I wonder why so many "plans" failed.
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Guys, relax, Garth's got bruises on his toes he's been kicking so many tires.
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Without knowing the status of JT, trading those desirable 1st round draft picks is off the table. This is just one reason having JT unsigned is problematic for the team. The reality is any viable trades at this point are not going to propel this team beyond the first round this year, maybe into a wild card, but the LT injuries that have occurred are this year are insurmountable to expect trading for a 3-4 defenceman will make a significant difference.
I wouldn’t do anything because this team won’t go anywhere regardless this year unless you added Doughty and Karlsson all of a sudden.
That’s the price to pay of you want to compete. It sucks. But Garth has to ask himself is it worth spending these high prices for a chance to win. Pumping out Quine and Seidenweg types, routinely, is not going to be sustainable. IMO it’s either spend and maybe make it or slowly wither and die and hope JT stays.
At some point winning has to take precedence over future prospects and picks. We can’t wait for the stars to align - it’s not going to happen. Garth has to make it happen.
If they miss the playoffs, It would hard to imagine the new owners not firing him.
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I don't remember if someone said it in this thread or another, but the Giants would never have let Garth be here as long as he has been. McAdoo had one embarrassing year and gets canned. Garth has 12 years of mediocrity and his job seems more secure than ever.
Winning what? Besides adding Karlsson or OEL, this team isn't going anywhere. And why would Snow trade picks / prospects when JT and Bailey may leave? It makes no sense.
Again, until JT's future is decided, the Isles should stand pat or trade JT and Bailey if JT tells the team he is leaving.
Giants are a real franchise with great ownership. The Isles are the complete opposite. Worst run team in NY by far.
Winning hockey games. That is the goal after all. This organization needs to figure out what they want to be - follow the current trend and hover just above/below relevancy or trade some (expensive) pieces and try to win.
I’m not advocating for either trades or no trades. Just understand that standing pat likely means no playoffs. And that could mean no JT.
It’s a bad position to be in.
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Even worse: one and done, swept by TBL/BOS. Worse, because it means Snow/Weight will survive.
It's like he just freezes up in fear. How does he even show his face at Barclays?
Exactly my point. His plans seem to fail because his learning curve results in him always being a step behind. Once he learns, he stabilizes a bit. But things change, and he's not good at learning on the fly.
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Snow is .not GM due to his on ice success. You are underaiting his success at kissing butt of owners. He must of read a book on the art of getting promoted quickly by being buds with owners you dont even like. anyway...if you think Charles Wang has Zero say in Snow being GM you must of just jumped on this island recently. Ive been here since Bill Torrey and I know the ins and outs of the last 30 years almost as good as anyone. maybe someone like Botta if he really was certain he never wanted to work in pro sports again he could tell you things about Wang that would make you wish you were a ranger fan.
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Not nearly as bad as some fans making an excuse why he should still be GM.
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YES...YES...YES...
If you believe what some are saying that JT wants to feel confident the isles are building a winner before he resigns, then you are bending over backwards to appease him and it can cost you even more in the long run.
What happens if snow empties the cupboard in the next two weeks to add 2 D-men and a goalie that are only signed short-term...And then Tavares doesn't resign?
For the umpteenth time...No one is above the franchise, and that includes John Tavares. I love the guy and want him to resign, but I honestly don't care whose wearing an Islanders jersey when they hoist the Cup - I just want them to get there. And if we trade away all futures to appease one player and still don't become a contender, then we will have set the franchise back years once again.
As ndgolden conveyed so well above...Tavares should know that him not committing to the Isles makes them not know how to play dealing their futures assets. If he would commit then a more concrete plan could be put in place. Because he's keeping everyone guessing well then the team needs to protect themselves.
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Given what's gone on in just the past year, much less the past 11, it's much harder to imagine them firing him.
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A simpler way to put it is...
A winning organization with competent ownership would never allow snow to be an employee.
We already know where wang falls on that spectrum. Now the question is...Are Ledecky & Malkin...
- Just as bad
- Better
- Stuck with a contract that wang imposed on them?
The longer they keep snow around the less it can be #2.
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C'mon guys let's give Snowy a break here. Injuries are probably the reason why he hasn't made a move!
C'mon guys let's give Snowy a break here. Injuries are probably the reason why he hasn't made a move!
He is such an arrogant ass. You make a good point though.
