TV: Game of Thrones | Season 6 | Part V (NO BOOK DISCUSSION - NO SPOILERS!)

[darko]

So...was the wall put up by the children to keep the first men out instead of somehow by bran the builder to keep the white walkers out

They built the wall to keep Walkers out.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Well the Blackfish would be loyal to Sansa before anyone else. The Vale defaults to LF for now and the North is torn.

She feels she can 100% trust the Tullys to not have other motives when it comes to supporting her. Odds are she is right. The bigger fallout of this is her not fully trusting Jon.

Another thing about the creation of the Walkers. So the Weirwood tree where the Night King was created. Bran goes back there, but the tree is split in two and the rocks are moved. Do they deface the tree in hatred of the Children or for other reasons?

Back to the final scene. Why doesn't Bran wake up? Is it perhaps he can't wake up? He is stuck greenseeing for some reason? In the next episode preview his eyes are still white so he hasn't woken up yet.

Again I still think Hodor on some level knew what he was doing. It wasn't simply Bran warging him, but somewhere in that feedback loop he had some wits to hold the door for Bran and Meera.

 

[Shareefruck]

There's absolutely zero information available for you to presume that Yara's on the way to see Dany. So, the 'common sense' argument doesn't hold water. Common sense would dictate that first and foremost, Yara realized that Euron would probably kill her and Theon, and she needed to escape. And since she was going to, she might as well take the best ones, and as many as her and her loyalists could, while Euron and his loyalists were preoccupied. Common sense allows us to leap to that, but not necessarily say that she's going to Dany, first, or ever.

Also, that's not why I originally responded to you either though. I wanted to clear up your misunderstanding, so you had the correct information going forward.

Going forward, I think he'll stick to his original plan. I may be wrong, but I think that he may think think that Yara has nothing to offer with her measly 100 ships compared to his 1000. I think he underestimates Yara, and the potential pact she may be able to convince Dany into. Again, his ego and self-delusion is probably going to be his blindspot when it comes to Dany and Yara. That's IF Yara even goes there, which isn't knowable yet, but something I suspect as well. The difference between Euron and myself however, is that I know that Tyrion is working on a peace process in Mereen, which could lead to the gifting/trading of ships to Dany for leaving or whatever. Euron thinks he's the only/best hope of Dany getting her troops over, and he's incorrect, and I think he'll meet his demise shortly after realizing how incorrect he was.

I did not get the feeling they were in any immediate danger simply by virtue of Euron being crowned, personally. I figured they escaped because they disagreed with him, didn't trust him, refused to follow him, and felt strongly that Yara was the rightful ruler (Renly vs. Stannis situation), not because they were running from the immediate safety of their lives.

I can't imagine what other plan they would have considering how hastily/urgently they rushed off. Simply rushing off to settle somewhere and slowly build their own fleet doesn't seem plausible to me.

We don't know what will happen, but the events I saw, my own interpretation of them, the circumstances, and how the line was delivered made me feel that the moment was comical, regardless of how this plays out. I still don't see how any of it is based on information that we have any reason to believe is incorrect at this point in time-- we just have a different interpretation.

 

[darko]

Anyone else think it sucks that the last of the children are gone? The beings that were the first, apparently, before the first men and creators of the white walkers. So much history/knowledge lost.

Yup I think they are all gone now.

 

[darko]

I did not get the feeling they were in any immediate danger simply by virtue of Euron being crowned, personally. I figured they escaped because they disagreed with him, didn't trust him, refused to follow him, and felt strongly that Yara was the rightful ruler (Renly vs. Stannis situation), not because they were running from the immediate safety of their lives.

I can't imagine what other plan they would have considering how hastily/urgently they rushed off. Simply rushing off to settle somewhere and slowly build their own fleet doesn't seem plausible to me.

We don't know what will happen, but the events I saw, my own interpretation of them, the circumstances, and how the line was delivered made me feel that the moment was comical, regardless of how this plays out. It's not really based on incorrect information at this point in time-- we just have a different interpretation.

I think Theon/Yarra were in danger. That's the impression I got and they (and their followers) had to get out of Dodge.

 

[Emperoreddy]

So...was the wall put up by the children to keep the first men out instead of somehow by bran the builder to keep the white walkers out

History says Bran the Builder put it up to keep the Walkers north after the combined forces of the Children and the First Men (and the first brothers of the Night's Watch) won the war against the Walkers during the long night.

Of course history never mentioned the Children created them in the first place.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Yup I think they are all gone now.

Yep. Good going, Bran.

 

[Sharpshooter]

Well the first is the Night King, and for now we can surmise they were a weapon against the invading First Men and at some point after they made peace with the First Men they lost control of this new weapon and created the pact to drive them back.

Their motivations is still beyond us. Are they just fulfilling their program by cleansing the world of men? Have they created a new purpose for themselves? Until we get another vision or one finally speaks we don't know yet.

Also what is the significance of the Night King being created by a piece of Dragon Glass pushed into his heart. Is the Song of Ice and Fire actually about him as he is literally part Ice and part Fire?

Makes a lot of sense now and how the First Men, WW's and Children are tied together. The 4th group, the Andals however, seem to be left out of the initial relationship right? Maybe it's the Andals(they'd be Targs, right?) will eventually fit into the relationship between the other 3, as maybe saviours of Westeros? Or as a team up with descendents of the FM, to make a new relationship, that can eventually finish the WW's for good? This prince that was promised teaming up with the One who is promised?? Just spit-balling, but it kinda works, no?

To those *****ing about Euron and the building of the ships. Lets wait til next episode before mocking it. Maybe the plan is for Euron to go chasing after Yarra/Theon and is giving final orders to build more ships before he leaves. They'll need those ships at some point, even a year down the track because possibly Euron is taking the last ones to go chasing.

I assume the loss of his 'best' ships probably includes the loss of his fastest ones. I doubt he'd set out after Yara right there and then with inferior ships, no?

 

[darko]

Sharpshooter - to explain why my Hardhome will be near impossible to beat, We are expecting a big battle at the end (obviously) whereas we didn't think much of hardhome. We thought Jon either goes home empty handed or the wildlings kill him. Then bang ... all hell breaks loose. That's what made Hardhome fantastic.

I hope I'm wrong but I honestly think when it's all said and done we look back at hardhome as the best episode.

 

[darko]

Makes a lot of sense now and how the First Men, WW's and Children are tied together. The 4th group, the Andals however, seem to be left out of the initial relationship right? Maybe it's the Andals(they'd be Targs, right?) will eventually fit into the relationship between the other 3, as maybe saviours of Westeros? Or as a team up with descendents of the FM, to make a new relationship, that can eventually finish the WW's for good? This prince that was promised teaming up with the One who is promised?? Just spit-balling, but it kinda works, no?




I assume the loss of his 'best' ships probably includes the loss of his fastest ones. I doubt he'd set out after Yara right there and then with inferior ships, no?

Well he doesn't really need to catch up to her at sea. He knows where they going and can catch up to them at their location.

 

[darko]

Yep. Good going, Bran.

Yes. Idiot lol.

 

[Shareefruck]

I think Theon/Yarra were in danger. That's the impression I got and they (and their followers) had to get out of Dodge.

Really? Why? Just based on the fact that they competed in the King's Moot and Euron seems like a bad guy?

I only got the impression that at worst, they wouldn't be respected under him. Much like Theon already isn't. Considering that Yara seems like one of their best warriors/leaders, and didn't really show that she wouldn't follow him given the decision, I don't see any reason would be so quick to kill her, purely out of insecurity.

 

[darko]

History says Bran the Builder put it up to keep the Walkers north after the combined forces of the Children and the First Men (and the first brothers of the Night's Watch) won the war against the Walkers during the long night.

Of course history never mentioned the Children created them in the first place.

I was going to post this but then changed it as I wasn't sure if it's spoiler or not.

The way I understand it Children of the Forrest and First Men fought for centuries but eventually ended up at peace. Then Walkers came from the deep North and First Men/CotF defeated them and Bran the Builder with help from the Giants and CotF magic built the Wall.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Makes a lot of sense now and how the First Men, WW's and Children are tied together. The 4th group, the Andals however, seem to be left out of the initial relationship right? Maybe it's the Andals(they'd be Targs, right?) will eventually fit into the relationship between the other 3, as maybe saviours of Westeros? Or as a team up with descendents of the FM, to make a new relationship, that can eventually finish the WW's for good? This prince that was promised teaming up with the One who is promised?? Just spit-balling, but it kinda works, no?




I assume the loss of his 'best' ships probably includes the loss of his fastest ones. I doubt he'd set out after Yara right there and then with inferior ships, no?

Andals came a good long while after the Long Night. Wall was up for a good while. A lot of the northern houses already exist and the Starks are the kings of winter. Some of the southern houses, or proto versions of the houses existed too.

It was one of the big reasons the Children started to withdraw and vanish.

 

[darko]

Really? Why? Just based on the fact that they competed in the King's Moot and Euron seems like a bad guy?

I only got the impression that at worst, they wouldn't be respected under him. Much like Theon already isn't.

Euron struck me as the guy who didn't want to keep those who aren't with him around for long. Eliminate the competition kinda thing.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I was going to post this but then changed it as I wasn't sure if it's spoiler or not.

The way I understand it Children of the Forrest and First Men fought for centuries but eventually ended up at peace. Then Walkers came from the deep North and First Men/CotF defeated them and Bran the Builder with help from the Giants and CotF magic built the Wall.

The DVDs have lots of extras that go into the history of the world, or at least the history that was taught.

Seems the known history wasn't exactly true.

 

[Sharpshooter]

Sharpshooter - to explain why my Hardhome will be near impossible to beat, We are expecting a big battle at the end (obviously) whereas we didn't think much of hardhome. We thought Jon either goes home empty handed or the wildlings kill him. Then bang ... all hell breaks loose. That's what made Hardhome fantastic.

I hope I'm wrong but I honestly think when it's all said and done we look back at hardhome as the best episode.

Yeah, ok, I can see what you're getting at. It was the spontaneity moreso that made it hard to beat for you. Fair enough.

Well he doesn't really need to catch up to her at sea. He knows where they going and can catch up to them at their location.

If Yara and Euron are both going to Dany at the same time, then no doubt she's going to beat him there easily, and then easily get in to see Dany first as well.

I still think Yara's going to there, but I doubt Euron suspects it yet, or if he does thinks it's going to be a problem, since Yara doesn't have as much to offer as he does, to Dany.

 

[darko]

The DVDs have lots of extras that go into the history of the world, or at least the history that was taught.

Seems the known history wasn't exactly true.

Actually I read it on wiki when looking for more info on the Night's King.

 

[darko]

Yeah, ok, I can see what you're getting at. It was the spontaneity moreso that made it hard to beat for you. Fair enough.

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Hardhome was the only episode where I stared at the screen at the end and didn't know what to say.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Actually I read it on wiki when looking for more info on the Night's King.

Understood. Just saying its not really a spoiler because HBO has made the history of Westros easy to look up through their own resources too.

 

[darko]

Littlefinger said she escaped and cannot guaranteed her safety. Robin said they should go to war.

It was implied, sure, but Robin could have easily said no, which then would have led to more obvious persuasion I suppose.

Meh Robin isn't the brightest spark. LF lead him into his decision.

 

[Shareefruck]

Yeah, ok, I can see what you're getting at. It was the spontaneity moreso that made it hard to beat for you. Fair enough.



If Yara and Euron are both going to Dany at the same time, then no doubt she's going to beat him there easily, and then easily get in to see Dany first as well.

I still think Yara's going to there, but I doubt Euron suspects it yet, or if he does thinks it's going to be a problem, since Yara doesn't have as much to offer as he does, to Dany.

Doesn't she? She has their best ships. Is his **** the dealbreaker?

Does he still have more ships than her despite losing his best ones?

 

[darko]

Doesn't she? She has their best ships. Is his **** the dealbreaker?

Yes.

 

[Ainec]

I did not tear up when Ned died, or Red Wedding, Tyrion speech, Jon Snow, the Hound... but I just did.

Totally didn't expect to considering how disappointed I was with this episode

 

[Sharpshooter]

Really? Why? Just based on the fact that they competed in the King's Moot and Euron seems like a bad guy?

I only got the impression that at worst, they wouldn't be respected under him. Much like Theon already isn't. Considering that Yara seems like one of their best warriors/leaders, and didn't really show that she wouldn't follow him given the decision, I don't see any reason would be so quick to kill her, purely out of insecurity.

Euron killed Balon, his own brother, because he wanted to get into power. Staying in power would be easier and more assured without any other heirs or claimants hanging around, which is why he'd want to assure his crazy self of that by getting rid of his niece and nephew as well. It makes total sense. And killing Yara makes sense precisely because she is such a capable leader and warrior, and is an existential threat to him and his reign, so another great reason. It may not be a matter of insecurity, but insurance, or prudence.