TV: Game of Thrones | Season 6 | Part V (NO BOOK DISCUSSION - NO SPOILERS!)

[SK13]

Seems like the kind of thing where it would make more sense if Bran was frustrated/restless/pressing the Blood Raven to escape but the Blood Raven insisting that the flashback was important (letting the reveal be that the flashback wasn't important, Bran's presence there for the time loop to work was important)

I wouldn't be surprised if, when we come back to Bran, he is still greenseeing and witnessing all the things he was meant to.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

They remind me of an almost religious/patriotic version of the Dothraki or something.

Instead of horses, they ride boats.


Either way, they are ****ing morons. "Hey let's take over everything despite the fact we suck balls at land warfare and aren't patient enough to recoup our forces before starting wars with everyone." My god can you be any more incompetent of a house?

 

[TP]

aw hell.

Terrible ending.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Seems like the kind of thing where it would make more sense if Bran was frustrated/restless/pressing the Blood Raven to escape but the Blood Raven insisting that the flashback was significant (letting the ultimate reveal be that the flashback wasn't important, Bran's presence there for the time loop to work was important)

Well I'm not even sure if Bran is out of that flashback. He didn't seem to simply just warg into Hodor.

Like why did he never come out of it, and why didn't young Hodor lose his mind until later?

I'm not sure what the answer is, but it seems this process was more complicated.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Instead of horses, they ride boats.


Either way, they are ****ing morons. "Hey let's take over everything despite the fact we suck balls at land warfare and aren't patient enough to recoup our forces before starting wars with everyone." My god can you be any more incompetent of a house?

Well Euron was right to call Balon out as an idiot.

 

[Bizarro Bandwagoner]

Hodor and another wolf in the span of 5 or 10 minutes?

I thought the origin of Hodor's name was pretty amazing though. Goosebumps.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Well Euron was right to call Balon out as an idiot.

I can't imagine they were any different before Balon was the king.

Also the plan Euron has (though I am watching from a viewers perspective) is also completely ********. They are going to risk life and limb to cross the Narrows to find a dragon queen who may or may not be seduced by a bunch of raiders with boats and if she has an army big enough won't just take the boats from them by force.

Also they are going to build a bunch of ships within a few weeks to catch the others who fled the Iron Islands because that is all the time it takes.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I can't imagine they were any different before Balon was the king.

Also the plan Euron has (though I am watching from a viewers perspective) is also completely ********. They are going to risk life and limb to cross the Narrows to find a dragon queen who may or may not be seduced by a bunch of raiders with boats and if she has an army big enough won't just take the boats from them by force.

Also they are going to build a bunch of ships within a few weeks to catch the others who fled the Iron Islands because that is all the time it takes.

The only way it works is if there is literally no other navy available to get Dany across with everyone (and she seemed to reconfirm she still plans to cross).

So Euron I guess is banking on Dany being that desperate. Outside of having a trump card that I don't think he has, it does seem kind of stupid...unless he is secretly LF smart.

 

[Shareefruck]

Well I'm not even sure if Bran is out of that flashback. He didn't seem to simply just warg into Hodor.

Like why did he never come out of it, and why didn't young Hodor lose his mind until later?

I'm not sure what the answer is, but it seems this process was more complicated.

My impression was that rather than directly warg into old hodor, he had to indirectly control him somehow by warging into Young Hodor (who was in his line of sight), which ****ed him up, as it's just a kid.

I think it's clear that he's still in the flashback and is only interacting with things in the flashback.

 

[Garo]

You all underestimate what he has in his pants. That'll show her.

 

[Shareefruck]

I can't imagine they were any different before Balon was the king.

Also the plan Euron has (though I am watching from a viewers perspective) is also completely ********. They are going to risk life and limb to cross the Narrows to find a dragon queen who may or may not be seduced by a bunch of raiders with boats and if she has an army big enough won't just take the boats from them by force.

Also they are going to build a bunch of ships within a few weeks to catch the others who fled the Iron Islands because that is all the time it takes.

To be fair, having a well-trained fleet of battle-ships at your disposal is alot more appealing than finding regular ships to allow you to cross the sea.

But yes, Euron's plan to "build ships as fast you can!!!" after the fact is absolutely ridiculous

 

[vdB]

Still kinda unclear what messed up Hodor.

Was it simply because Bran was warging a dude in a flashback? Warging people in flashbacks is bad???

 

[Quinning]

There's a ****ing crazy theory floating around that Bran is really Brandon the Builder and is responsible for creating House Stark and building the Wall.

 

[Quinning]

Still kinda unclear what messed up Hodor.

Was it simply because Bran was warging a dude in a flashback? Warging people in flashbacks is bad???

I like to think he saw the future and his mind couldn't comprehend what he was seeing, to the point of driving him insane.

 

[Emperoreddy]

To be fair, having a well-trained fleet of battle-ships at your disposal is alot more appealing than finding regular ships to allow you to cross the sea.

But yes, Euron's plan to "build ships as fast you can!!!" after the fact is absolutely ridiculous

LF straight up teleported to Molestown. The concept of time and space only apply when the plot says so.

Honestly I think the only reason Euron lost those ships was to hold him up briefly so he doesn't end up in Meeren before they want them to.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I like to think he saw the future and his mind couldn't comprehend what he was seeing, to the point of driving him insane.

Part of me thinks the two Hodor's switched minds, so present Hodor through Bran is the one who saved them.

That might be an insane thought though.

 

[HanSolo]

I gotta think LF is still gonna get in with team Stark. Can't see the armies of the Vale not getting on her side.

Still kinda unclear what messed up Hodor.

Was it simply because Bran was warging a dude in a flashback? Warging people in flashbacks is bad???

Is it that inconceivable that having your mind kidnapped through the space time continuum melting the guy's brain? I mean it's kind of a weird detail but it not that implausible.

 

[Blender]

LF straight up teleported to Molestown. The concept of time and space only apply when the plot says so.

Littlefinger has been teleporting all over Westeros for 6 seasons now.

 

[HanSolo]

There's a ****ing crazy theory floating around that Bran is really Brandon the Builder and is responsible for creating House Stark and building the Wall.

At this point would it really that surprising?

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Still kinda unclear what messed up Hodor.

Was it simply because Bran was warging a dude in a flashback? Warging people in flashbacks is bad???

It's not clear exactly what caused the seizure, but I think the general idea is Bran is unable to control the sight without the Raven and once he was killed Bran's spirit energy (or something to that effect) went at Wyllis.

 

[Shareefruck]

Still kinda unclear what messed up Hodor.

Was it simply because Bran was warging a dude in a flashback? Warging people in flashbacks is bad???

Well, the first time he warged into the real Hodor came close to messing him up and was viewed as incredibly dangerous. I could imagine warging into a little kid across dimensions in order to somehow warg into his older self through that could leave some serious pemanent damage.

 

[Lebowski]

So Hodor is gonna come back as a white walker, yes?

 

[Emperoreddy]

LF's new play is to create tension between the Stark children and exploit it.

She planted the seed in Sansa's mind. The army is Jon's army, Jon is only his half-brother.

How much she is willing to admit it or not, but she lied to Jon and sent Brienne so the Tully's will become "her" army.

LF waits. The Starks retake WF, but infighting breaks out and he swoops in and does whatever he wants. He might even stoke the flames even more.

 

[SK13]

RE: Littlefinger's teleporting.

It took a month, with carts and a massive entourage, to travel from King's Landing to Winterfell. Which means it would probably take the same entourage three weeks to go from the Veil to the Wall - just judging by the distances on the map of Westeros.

Is it conceivable that Littlefinger in a rush could have made it to Moletown in a week and that a week has passed between episodes?

 

[Quinning]

There's a lack of Bronn in this season.